New Second Amendment Legislative News Out of North Carolina

[Watchdog]

It may be jumping the gun a bit , but even though the next session of Congress won't begin for several weeks, Rep. Richard Hudson (R-NC) has already drawn up a new version of a National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Bill.

“It would work just like a driver’s license,” he said. “If a state has concealed carry, then what it says is you recognize the concealed carry right and you have to follow their laws.”

The only drawback, of course, is if a state doesn't allow concealed carry, the new law would not be effective for that state.

Mr. Hudson believes, possibly with good reason, that the signs are favorable for Congress to take a more positive approach to national reciprocity.

So. We'll see what happens.

Source: FOX Business News

[deadin]

One problem with this is that there may be some States that currently don't recognize out-of-state permits and are even make it quite difficult for a resident to get, will just do away with concealed carry all together.

[AlHunt]

The feds just need to stay out of it. They never do one thing and stop. It's just an open door for the gungrabbers to start attaching terms and conditions.

[dougb1946]

Drivers license only works because the feds imposed common rules and testing programs. The 2A is a states rights thing. The fed is supposed to stay out of it.

[Maddog 521]

I also believe each individual state should be running their CC program.

[johngalt]

I still can't figure out why getting the Feds, with strings that will be attached, is so desired. The states have been doing fine on their own.

[Richard M]

The 2A is an individual right that has been taken over by both the States and the Feds. My problem with the proposed bill is their isn't a clause saying no State can impose a gun, ammo, accessory restriction which is more restrictive than imposed by federal law, so we don't have to stop at each state like to change from a 15 round magazine to a 10 or 7 round magazine or take out our hollow point ammo, lock it up in a container and put in fmj or plugged nose bullets. I just drove and carried concealed from Alabama into Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas. Lucky all have reciprocate ccw agreements and no restrictions on ammo or magazine capacity.

[lrrifleman]

I attempted to contact Mr Hudson's office, but he states that he will not respond to non-constituents.

I have two questions concerning his proposed legislation.

First, I live in a "may issue state" that is highly restrictive with the issuance of CCW permits. How might this apply to a resident that holds a valid non-resident CCW from another state, but has insufficient "need" to be issued a permit from their state?

Second, I possess a non-resident CCW issued by a state. How does the proposed legislation affect a person's right to carry in a state that has reciprocity, but only with residents of the issuing state? Will a state that allows concealed carry be obligated to recognize non-resident permits?

Anyone that can provide an answer?

[AlHunt]

Originally Posted by lrrifleman

I attempted to contact Mr Hudson's office, but he states that he will not respond to non-constituents.

I have two questions concerning his proposed legislation.

First, I live in a "may issue state" that is highly restrictive with the issuance of CCW permits. How might this apply to a resident that holds a valid non-resident CCW from another state, but has insufficient "need" to be issued a permit from their state?

Second, I possess a non-resident CCW issued by a state. How does the proposed legislation affect a person's right to carry in a state that has reciprocity, but only with residents of the issuing state? Will a state that allows concealed carry be obligated to recognize non-resident permits?

Anyone that can provide an answer?

Even better - I live in a state with Constitutional Carry. Would I then be able to carry in all 50 states?

Even, even better - Constitutional Carry in our state is not restricted to residents. So would anyone who had ever visited our state be able to carry in all 50 states?

[Old TexMex]

Prepare to see "States Rights" be argued for by those Congressmen who, until just recently, have been quite against "States Rights" and supported Federal control.

[okiegtrider]

Originally Posted by Old TexMex

Prepare to see "States Rights" be argued for by those Congressmen who, until just recently, have been quite against "States Rights" and supported Federal control.

Astute observation and I think right on target.

[Whitwabit]

Originally Posted by deadin

One problem with this is that there may be some States that currently don't recognize out-of-state permits and are even make it quite difficult for a resident to get, will just do away with concealed carry all together.

Illinois was the last state for Conceal Carry and that was because the Supreme Court said they had to .. so they won't just do away with conceal carry ..

Illinois does make it next to impossible for someone living out of state to get an Illinois license though ..

[johngalt]

Originally Posted by Whitwabit

Illinois was the last state for Conceal Carry and that was because the Supreme Court said they had to .. so they won't just do away with conceal carry ..

Illinois does make it next to impossible for someone living out of state to get an Illinois license though ..

The court (it was an appeals court, not the Supreme Court) did not say Illinois HAD to pass a concealed carry law, it threw out the complete ban on all carry, then stayed the decision for 6 months to give them time to pass one.

If Illinois gun owners had held out and stopped any law from being passed, they would have defaulted to constitutional carry.

[H Richard]

Illinois passed a decent law. Yes, it has 16 hours of training attached, but after several classes, I'm wondering if 16 hours is enough for those that have no training or experience in firearm handling. 8 of the 16 hours can be met via Military service arms training, Hunter safety training, and a couple more types of training. I 'm a firm believer in qualifications, and if a person can't keep all but a couple of 30 rounds on a B27 target at 5-7-10 yards they don't qualify to carry a handgun.

[italiansport]

Originally Posted by dougb1946

Drivers license only works because the feds imposed common rules and testing programs. The 2A is a states rights thing. The fed is supposed to stay out of it.

I see no reason that national "common sense" laws couldn't be drafted for universal concealed carry as well. What am I missing here?
Jim

[rwt1405]

If I can drive my vehicle through out the USA (a privilege) with my state issued Drivers license, how can I not be able to CCW through out the USA with my CCW permit?

[Lee's Landing Billy]

S.C. and Georgia now have reciprocity. When that happened one of the local TV stations dispatched a "reporter" to in quire on this matter. They went to Augusta because it was the closest. The young lady asked the Georgia Legislator why they didn't have a test for qualifications? The Legislator said "Who would be so presumptuous as to come up with a test that a citizen had to pass to use his Constitutional Right?" END of interview. Long drive to be shut down so effectively.

[Mack_C85]

Interestingly all the responses to this thread, except one, come from areas where it is relatively easy to get a CCW.

In the wonderful state of Marylandastan, which is laughably called a "may issue" state, our CCW situation, is if you carry taxable cash, we may think about giving you a CCW......thought about it...no CCW for you. We look to legislation like this to possible give use some rights back.

[johngalt]

Originally Posted by italiansport

I see no reason that national "common sense" laws couldn't be drafted for universal concealed carry as well. What am I missing here?
Jim

Some states properly trust the citizens and impose no requirements. Others that don't trust the citizens require onerous requirements or deny it completely. Why should one state have any say in how another conducts itself? It is none of their business, nor is it the Fed's.

"common sense laws" is a term used by the banners and is just another way of saying "lowest common denominator".

[AlHunt]

Originally Posted by italiansport

I see no reason that national "common sense" laws couldn't be drafted for universal concealed carry as well. What am I missing here?
Jim

Because it's beyond the scope of Federal authority.

Whether you realize it or not, there is a war for the 2nd amendment underway. "Common sense" and "reasonable" are the words gungrabbers use to pass laws restricting all gun rights, not just carry laws.

There is no more room for "compromise" on gun rights. "Compromise" is just a tool used by the gungrabbers to get PART of what they want, but it's never their end game. They'll be back for another swipe at the pinata.

There is supposed to be a separation of powers between the state and the feds. We have to fight for it because federal abuse of the Interstate Commerce Clause (with the collusion of the Supreme Court) has all but wiped it out. Allowing the feds to control any issue takes away your right to control it as you and your neighbors see fit.

The 2nd amendment is crystal clear in what it says. I'm not going to re-hash it all here but it's worth reading up on and understanding it and all it's context. 240 years of scholarly and legal re-intepretation have given us the bloody mess we have today. I think things are improving but until we repeal GCA '68 and it's predecessors, there is a lot of work to do.

Allowing congress to pass another gun law is just counterproductive.

Not that I have any kind of opinion on the subject ....

[AlHunt]

Originally Posted by Mack_C85

Interestingly all the responses to this thread, except one, come from areas where it is relatively easy to get a CCW.

In the wonderful state of Marylandastan, which is laughably called a "may issue" state, our CCW situation, is if you carry taxable cash, we may think about giving you a CCW......thought about it...no CCW for you. We look to legislation like this to possible give use some rights back.

But that's a fight YOU in Maryland have to fight. In my state we now have constitutional carry AND still no background check on private sales (an issue we just voted on and beat back Michael Bloomberg's universal background check plot). We do not have a "gun problem" or a "gun violence" problem except in the fevered imaginations of the gungrabbers.

For Marylanders, it might seem OK to let the feds *impose* regulations on me in order the decrease regulations on Maryland residents. But from my perspective, it's a pretty raw deal and not something I'm going to let happen without a fight.

The 2nd amendment is crystal clear in what it says and what it means. Go fight for it!

[AlHunt]

Originally Posted by rwt1405

If I can drive my vehicle through out the USA (a privilege) with my state issued Drivers license, how can I not be able to CCW through out the USA with my CCW permit?

Exactly. Driving is supposedly a privilege. Gun rights are just that - a right enumerated in the Constitution. The feds need to stay out of it. Any new federal statute is a Christmas tree for gun grabbers and they'll be hanging ornaments all over it. It saves them the trouble of going state by state if they can get a 50 state bite all in one fell swoop.

My state couldn't be more gun friendly. I'm not going to stand idly by while other states *improve* their situations at the expense of mine.

[rwt1405]

Originally Posted by AlHunt

Exactly. Driving is supposedly a privilege. Gun rights are just that - a right enumerated in the Constitution. The feds need to stay out of it. Any new federal statute is a Christmas tree for gun grabbers and they'll be hanging ornaments all over it. It saves them the trouble of going state by state if they can get a 50 state bite all in one fell swoop.

My state couldn't be more gun friendly. I'm not going to stand idly by while other states *improve* their situations at the expense of mine.

So you don't see a need for National Carry?

I, for one do not just live and die in one state (nor do most people), and as such many people see the need for said National Carry.

With your line of thinking, you should also not be able to drive your vehicle outside your state, or else you've made a privilege, superior to a right.

[AlHunt]

Originally Posted by rwt1405

So you don't see a need for National Carry?

I, for one do not just live and die in one state (nor do most people), and as such many people see the need for said National Carry.

With your line of thinking, you should also not be able to drive your vehicle outside your state, or else you've made a privilege, superior to a right.

You have national carry. It's right there in the 2nd amendment - "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". "The right" ... the second amendment doesn't grant the right, it acknowledges the pre-existing natural right to self defense. The states have infringed by creating such laws. Yes, we could bounce SCOTUS cases back and forth. It is not the fist time SCOTUS has been wrong.

Someone said above that the feds had imposed standards on drivers licenses and required the states to recognize each others DL. What a gift to the anti-gun crowd for the feds to start imposing standards for a person to exercise their 2nd amendment rights.

Stop the states from making infringing laws.