A bill to remove supressors from the NFA

[nodpete]

Just saw this on another site, I don't use them but thought some of you might find this interesting.

ASA ANNOUNCES REINTRODUCTION OF HEARING PROTECTION ACT: A BILL TO REMOVE SUPPRESSORS FROM THE NFA

[ace22]

personally I think it's a noble effort and if it passed i'd buy 1 or 2 for myself.
but with many people and politicians considering suppressors as a gangster item, thanks to hollywood, I don't think there would be enough support for it to pass.


I hope i'm wrong

plus the government likes to collect their tax of $200. per.

[Hillbilly77]

I'd pay the price of admission to the Feds if only NY State would allow them.

Not in my lifetime.

[Whitwabit]

would that law over ride state laws outlawing them in your state .. Illinois and other states don't now allow them ..

[mojave30cal]

If that bill passes, I'd buy a couple.

[YeshuaIsa53]

"Sounds" great to my old ears.

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I've got two for shooting my .22s. They're great. Been looking at getting a 30 caliber can for my .308. Hope the bill passes.

I wonder how much objection there will be based on suppressor use defeating gunshot sensor technology?

[5point5sixGUY]

As it is right now cans are expensive, but I'm afraid if they become easier to buy that the price will go up because everyone will want one and they should sell well.

[retiredbadge8091]

Suppressors only work on revolvers in the movies... So my Model 48 will still be just as loud as ever. (Fired some suppressed sub guns in the day, but I probably wouldn't spend a bunch of money should the legislation pass, however, anything to bug the gun grabbers is a good thing.)

[JK-linux]

I'd buy one if it were no different than buying a scope, magazine or other accessory... and the price came down.

[rwsmith]

....actually use silencers in crimes??

[Hillbilly77]

Originally Posted by rwsmith

How many criminals......
...actually use silencers in crimes??

.... and how many of those criminals have purchased the required tax stamp?

Another flawed law for the rest of us to suffer.

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Originally Posted by rwsmith

....actually use silencers in crimes??

They don't. But gun-grabbers can spin that to argue it's proof that the NFA tax stamp process is working as designed. Just like machine guns are rarely ever used crime.

Gun owners need to get away from rationalizing if infringing on that which is Constitutionally forbidden to infringe upon may or may not have desireable side effects. Doesn't matter. Shall not be infringed.

[steelslaver]

Originally Posted by 5point5sixGUY

As it is right now cans are expensive, but I'm afraid if they become easier to buy that the price will go up because everyone will want one and they should sell well.

If there was greater demand because of being non NFA, more companies would produce them and I firmly believe the prices would drop. Plus, the companies now making them have to make profits form low volume sales. If they could sell 10 times as many they could make more money with less mark up.

Lets say it cost $50 to make one for a 22. You sell 1000 for $200. 1000 x $150= $150,000. Or you sell 10,000 at $150
10,000x$100= $1,000,000.

With a good CNC setup they would be easy to produce in volume. Even a small shop with a under $100,000 machine producing enough parts to assemble an average of just 30 a day with a net of $50 per unit would keep a family well fed. The actual material cost are low, and with carbide or ceramic cutters in a coolant flooded machine the tooling cost wouldn't be bad either. Small shop space, shipping, and receiving cost would be low and payments on the machine. Say a $1500 a week. Buy the tubing bulk cut and thread the ends. Produce end caps one day and baffles the rest of the week. Hey, I might even do it. LOL

I have seriously been thinking of making a suppressor, I have the paper work, the $200 isn't really an issue but does kind of bug me, but then there is also probably the long wait of up to 6 mths. I think I am going to just wait and see how this shakes out. My BIL has a sporting goods store and stocks them. Says he would sell way more if it wasn't for the NFA hassle and he even has a setup that kicks out the paper work for a buyer.

[JK-linux]

It's the wait and hassle that kills suppressors, SRBs, SBS's, and whatnot. I don't worry about passing any background check, or even the government knowing what I own. The hassle of filling out the stuff, waiting, calling to see what's up, wondering if it was done right, keeping documentation safe and available, and the questions of "is this legal" here or there or if I move or travel, etc... OOOPS! - you're a felon now! (or at least you're out a pile of cash and time proving to a court "I didn't do it")
It's all manageable stuff, and many people do it, but I have better things to do and don't need to time suck or headaches. Remove all that and I'd grab one just for giggles.

[Gamecock]

Let's gut the rest of NFA, too.

[mmande]

We may want to be careful what we wish for.
Suppressors have been legalized here in Iowa and they are showing up more and more at gunshows. Have you seen how big those things are? Looking at all the choices and attachment systems, all of a sudden I had a horrible thought. What if the government decided, in the name of keeping from damaging our hearing (read government healthcare), they would require ALL GUNS to have suppressors installed. All hunting rifles, shotguns, pistols, revolvers or anything that could be shot anytime ammunition was loaded in them, no grandfather clauses either! Costs for consumers would go thru the roof and gun control advocates would be dancing in the streets. Law enforcement would be exempt of course.
I am old enough that I will never see any thing like this but our grandchildren might have battles like these for their freedoms.
Just my thoughts for today. Now back to reloading.
Mike

[Gamecock]

Not buying it, Mike. Government already thinks it has absolute power.

But just in case you are right - one should never underestimate governments' stupidity - it would make sense not to take the easy route and claim that ending the ban on silencers is for safety. It, and other NFA restrictions, should be eliminated because they accomplish nothing. They are gratuitous restrictions on freedom.

[jag312]

Would there be restrictions on importing silencers from overseas? I would sure like to own a Vaime silencer from Finland.

[PersDef]

Would love to see this or any other bill go through removing suppressors from NFA list. No earthly reason they should be on there in the first place, but like everything else related to governmental bureaucracy, once it's on the books, it stays there indefinitely.

[pdsarge]

Originally Posted by Hillbilly77

I'd pay the price of admission to the Feds if only NY State would allow them.

Not in my lifetime.

Agreed. I'd buy a couple myself

[RSanch111]

Lots of people buying those "Whisper" .308's where the rifle will only work with a can.

[jtpur]

Just read that the Deputy Director of ATF has stated based on a "white paper" that suppressors should be removed from the NFA ACT of items banned without proper permitting. He has also indicated that import bans on "assault" weapons should also be lifted. I sense their is a New Sheriff in town.

[StakeOut]

I'm all for removing suppressors from the NFA but bringing in more Made In China marked items gets a thumbs down.

Balance the trade deficit first.

[jag312]

I have the entire white paper as a pdf file. Is it possible to load it onto the forum?

[elm_creek_smith]

Originally Posted by 5point5sixGUY

As it is right now cans are expensive, but I'm afraid if they become easier to buy that the price will go up because everyone will want one and they should sell well.

If they're removed from the NFA, you can make your own. Prices would then become more reasonable.

[Gamecock]

Originally Posted by elm_creek_smith

If they're removed from the NFA, you can make your own. Prices would then become more reasonable.

Good point. You will probably be able to kits.

[jtpur]

Originally Posted by StakeOut

I'm all for removing suppressors from the NFA but bringing in more Made In China marked items gets a thumbs down.

Balance the trade deficit first.

I think you make an excellent point, however the part of the removal I most like is the ban on American made M1 Garands that were sold to Korea, Philipimes etc that importers attempted to bring back. A former Secretary of State and Presidential Candidate refused State Department approval for the re-importation back to this country.

I purchased a S&W model 15 that at one time belonged to the Hong Kong PD..... Now it was not a rifle and subject to the ban but could have been on the list had certain people been put into office.

So while I agree with your basic concept, lets make an exception for US made rifles once exported that we now want to import back into the country. I hope you agree!

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by steelslaver

If there was greater demand because of being non NFA, more companies would produce them and I firmly believe the prices would drop. Plus, the companies now making them have to make profits form low volume sales. If they could sell 10 times as many they could make more money with less mark up.

Lets say it cost $50 to make one for a 22. You sell 1000 for $200. 1000 x $150= $150,000. Or you sell 10,000 at $150
10,000x$100= $1,000,000.

With a good CNC setup they would be easy to produce in volume. Even a small shop with a under $100,000 machine producing enough parts to assemble an average of just 30 a day with a net of $50 per unit would keep a family well fed. The actual material cost are low, and with carbide or ceramic cutters in a coolant flooded machine the tooling cost wouldn't be bad either. Small shop space, shipping, and receiving cost would be low and payments on the machine. Say a $1500 a week. Buy the tubing bulk cut and thread the ends. Produce end caps one day and baffles the rest of the week. Hey, I might even do it. LOL

I have seriously been thinking of making a suppressor, I have the paper work, the $200 isn't really an issue but does kind of bug me, but then there is also probably the long wait of up to 6 mths. I think I am going to just wait and see how this shakes out. My BIL has a sporting goods store and stocks them. Says he would sell way more if it wasn't for the NFA hassle and he even has a setup that kicks out the paper work for a buyer.

I heard about the above possibilities on the radio a couple a weeks ago. They had a couple guys on who made them and the starting price was between $1,000-on up to $2,000. The prices that high were basically "because they can sell them at that price" and that attitude singes my butt. Anyway, it was agreed all around-that prices would drastically drop.

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by jag312

Would there be restrictions on importing silencers from overseas? I would sure like to own a Vaime silencer from Finland.

A guy was going to England to do some sport shooting and said they could be used there, but they cant be taken out of the country.

[Lee's Landing Billy]

I have never owned one. We have a lot of them shot here. Guys have single shots made for them. Of course there are plenty of semi's and full autos too. They had a 9mm one the other day and screwed it on a full auto M16 with a .22 conversion. THAT was sweet. I wonder why more folks don't use 9mm or 45 cans and use them for all calibers. One of my shooters has a Barrett 50 semi with a can. The can weighs over 5 pounds. If they stop the paperwork hassellll I'm in.

[steelslaver]

Even the $200 for the stamp isn't what gets me. Its the $200 and then a 6 months wait for the stamp. My BIL sells suppressors at his store and tells me the wait stops a lot of others also. By the time you have ponied up for the suppressor and the paper work you have a bunch of money sitting in his safe waiting for the stamp to arrive so you can have what you already paid for. Most say no for that reason alone. Guys will pay $1000 for a rifle another $600 or so for a scope, but not if they had to wait 6 months to walk out the door with them.

[Whitwabit]

how many have made their own with a mag lite flashlight tube ?? no stamp ..

utube has several videos show how to ..

[steelslaver]

Although it might not be that hard it would still be illegal (federal felony) if you do not apply for and receive a stamp to built a suppressor even if from a flashlight tube and common components. By the way Preppers Discount, the place that produced and sold lots of these flashlight suppressor components as solvent traps was shut down by the BATF and is not selling these parts now.

I am sure I could built a good suppressor. I have studied them, even taken a couple apart. Have all the paper work and would get a stamp to built one. Just waiting to see how this bill goes before I do anything.