New York sneeking in the back door again

[kenv1950]

First the safe act, now this. new yorkafornia isn't gonna stop.
I'd move but can't afford to.

[StakeOut]

There is a waiting list now to get a Texas residency card.

The good news is that if you can convince one of the Austin wackos to leave Texas and relocate in your state you can jump to the head of the line.

As a former New Yorker I feel your pain.

I had a NYC carry permit after I retired from the NYPD for over 10 years but low and behold a renewal application got lost or was never sent.So a short time after expiration I contacted the license bureau inquiring about my renewal.
I was informed that I no longer was licenced to carry and I would not be able to get a new carry permit.

I thanked NYC(1 less tax payer) by moving my business and myself to Pike Co Pa

[lrrifleman]

Originally Posted by StakeOut

There is a waiting list now to get a Texas residency card.

The good news is that if you can convince one of the Austin wackos to leave Texas and relocate in your state you can jump to the head of the line.

Please tell me that I am misreading these 2 lines! I would hate to think that I would need a Visa and passport to migrate to the Great State of Texas from either the north, east or northwest!

[StakeOut]

Originally Posted by lrrifleman

Please tell me that I am misreading these 2 lines! I would hate to think that I would need a Visa and passport to migrate to the Great State of Texas from either the north, east or northwest!

Sir,I think the N.J. quota is filled through 2018 but as stated above there is a way to jump the line.

[dsbock]

Originally Posted by kenv1950

First the safe act, now this. new yorkafornia isn't gonna stop.
I'd move but can't afford to.

This is actually part of the (un)SAFE Act. The general recommendation I'm hearing is to wait until December 2017 and use the paper forms. When you mail the form in, send it certified mail, delivery receipt requested.

Good luck.

David

[LoboGunLeather]

I wonder what they would do if everyone in New York just decided to say "NO" all at once. Haven't heard about any excess jail space. Haven't heard about any free time on the court dockets. Haven't heard about any vacancies in state prisons.

Just wondering, you know? Last I hear the estimated compliance rate with SAFE Act "assault weapons" restrictions was less than 15%.

Wonder what they would do if a couple of million New Yorkers all faced Albany and rendered the middle finger salute on national TV?

[retiredbadge8091]

New Yorkastan... Glad I live in a Free State.

[adwjc]

Originally Posted by dsbock

This is actually part of the (un)SAFE Act. The general recommendation I'm hearing is to wait until December 2017 and use the paper forms. When you mail the form in, send it certified mail, delivery receipt requested.

Good luck.

David

Take a few deep breaths and calm down!

This has been law since Prince Andy and our useless RINO senate and assembly voted this in in 2013 (and approved the budget for this program last year).

As David says above, the accepted method of passive resistance is to wait until December of 2017 and use the paper renewal. Don't use the on line system, you are doing the job for them.

They already know what you have, every amendment goes directly from your licensing authority to the NYSP.

Our other hope is that the law suits will slow or stop this by year's end.

Don't forget to fill out another FOIL exemption form.

[GaryS]

Instead of being an "anchor baby", I'm an "anchor daddy". My daughter lives in Texas, so they have to take me!

I've been assured by my friends in Texas that even if they decide to become a Republic again, my conservative bonafides will assure me easy admission to the state.

Hopefully, that includes my wife, or I'm sure going to miss her.

As to the OP, I am just speechless.

Originally Posted by lrrifleman

Please tell me that I am misreading these 2 lines! I would hate to think that I would need a Visa and passport to migrate to the Great State of Texas from either the north, east or northwest!

[Wise_A]

Remember--it was Prince Andrew that rammed this thing through. But the Republicans still voted yes, and then they voted to fund the NYS Police.

Including Kathy "I'm so pro-gun, look at this picture of me holding a gun" Marchione. What a faker.





Locally, we had two candidates in our Republic primary. One said he supported, unequivocally, the repeal or overturning of the SAFE Act. No compromises. It violated the state constitution, and the Second Amendment, and had to go.

The other said she would, "have to balance that against getting economic legislation passed for the upstate". She also said she would have to "look into fracking" to see whether or not she supported it. This was at a public event, at a gun club, a couple weeks before the election.

The Republican committees supported the horse-trading know-nothing. The NRA followed suit, based on her responses to the infamous questionnaire.

Just because someone says they're pro-gun, doesn't mean they're pro-gun. Declare a party if you haven't already, and vote in the primaries. These people just don't give a damn about you otherwise.

[NYlakesider]

I knew about the renewal nonsense since the infamous "Safe Act" passed. It states that permits issued before 2013 have a year to re certify. Now think about that the permit system has been around since about 1911, the reporting period encompasses about (As a guess) 80+% of the permits out there.

They are going to be quite busy and as this is NY will undoubtedly find many ways to mess this up. Many of the early issued permits are still on paper in filling cabinets Only in the last few years the recent issued are on computer.

We, me my wife my son and DIL will wait till about the last month and as we are non criminals send in this nonsense and do it with receipt requested methods.

As of now no fee involved but as this is NY and they get buried in this legislative Charlie Foxtrot rest assured we will soon have a fee to pay.

NOTE, many sheriff departments have went on record and do not support this B.S. and will do nothing to help the state with this huge waste of money and resources that will have absolutely nothing to do with criminal control!

[deadin]

will wait till about the last month and as we are non criminals send in this nonsense and do it with receipt requested methods.

How much you want to bet that they will be so "backlogged" that the renewals will be delayed until they catch up? (And you know just how slow that can be..)
Of course the current permits will expire right on time.....

[pdsarge]

New York is and has been out of control. I hope the fact that President Trump has kept Preet Bharara in place as the US Attorney is an indication the indictments of Cuomo, de blasio and other corrupt politicians are forthcoming.
Finally have the wife convinced we need to move as soon as the youngest hits college - only a year and a half left!!

[NYlakesider]

Originally Posted by deadin

How much you want to bet that they will be so "backlogged" that the renewals will be delayed until they catch up? (And you know just how slow that can be..)
Of course the current permits will expire right on time.....

That is why I want a SIGNED/DATED receipt for my/our paperwork.

[deadin]

That is why I want a SIGNED/DATED receipt for my/our paperwork.

I'm afraid about all that will do is allow you to get your money back if you get tired of waiting.......
I suppose if you wanted to take it to court you might be able to get them to extend your expired permit, but I wouldn't hold by breath...... (Don't know what your lawyer would cost..)

[adwjc]

Originally Posted by deadin

How much you want to bet that they will be so "backlogged" that the renewals will be delayed until they catch up? (And you know just how slow that can be..)
Of course the current permits will expire right on time.....

Recertification isn't renewal.

One (of the several) attorneys we have brought in to study and work against this points out that every time you have a transaction on your license (amendment adding a pistol for example) you are in fact, recertified.

A background check is done before the amendment is approved (and sent to the NYSP) and your coupon issued.

Recertification in this instance would target inactive licenses, or those who simply haven't conducted any transactions in a given period of time.

Some of the most vociferous complainants are lawyers and judges who are gun owners.

[kenv1950]

Originally Posted by adwjc

Recertification isn't renewal.

One (of the several) attorneys we have brought in to study and work against this points out that every time you have a transaction on your license (amendment adding a pistol for example) you are in fact, recertified.

A background check is done before the amendment is approved (and sent to the NYSP) and your coupon issued.

Recertification in this instance would target inactive licenses, or those who simply haven't conducted any transactions in a given period of time.

Some of the most vociferous complainants are lawyers and judges who are gun owners.

In my county you get a coupon or multiple coupons before you make a purchase-- Upstate new york

[ditrina]

I'm soooo sad that my NYS carry permit issued in 1984 will not be renewed

Maybe I'll just send it back and save them the trouble..
Regards from Sunny Florida

I'm so glad I'm gone.. But I still feel for my brothers in New York

[kenv1950]

Originally Posted by ditrina

I'm soooo sad that my NYS carry permit issued in 1984 will not be renewed

Maybe I'll just send it back and save them the trouble..
Regards from Sunny Florida

I'm so glad I'm gone.. But I still feel for my brothers in New York

Rub it in . From new york
Reading a lot of post on this forum , I get jealous of what a lot of you can do , I'd go to jail for things you guys do as normal

[ArmyRover]

Glad I'm living in GA, I have friends in NY and I feel for them.

[deadin]

ditrinia...

If I didn't live there any more I think I would be tempted to fill out their paperwork and list 2 or 3 hundred handguns. Give them something to do......

[NYlakesider]

Originally Posted by ditrina

I'm soooo sad that my NYS carry permit issued in 1984 will not be renewed

Maybe I'll just send it back and save them the trouble..
Regards from Sunny Florida

I'm so glad I'm gone.. But I still feel for my brothers in New York:(

Thanks man!

I will take this time to point out something my pistol permit clerk told me a year or so back. This pertains to people that move out of state to live permanently.

Make sure you notify the proper authorities in NY that you have moved out, took your guns with you and ask that your permit be canceled and get proof of doing this. If not and when they find out you did not notify as per the law and they will revoke your permit. This will go into some government data basses and if legal paper work you use in the future asked "Have you ever had a permit license refused or had it revoked (or something like that) and you say no and they find the NY thing you have just committed a crime.

This could get very serious when buying a gun or getting/got a permit in your new state. So the Safe act could still affect you even if your long gone from our peoples republic of NY!

[2152hq]

Recertification of the NYS P/P is a way to clean up the system of old, expired permits(deceased owners) and guns on permits that are no longer actually owned by those P/P holders. NYLakesider makes a VG point also about moving out/state.

The P/P cluster in NYS is a rag bag of paper and computer records,,mostly the former. The Countys and some Metro-PD's actually handle the issue process w/a Judge generally doing the final sign off sometimes the Metro PD Chief.
NYSP members P/P's used to signed by the Supt of NYSP Police as the issuing auth,,yes they need a NYS P/P too..

Where one County Clerk may allow you to have a few blank purchasing 'coupons' to go to the next gunshow with and trust you to come back to the Clerks office on Monday or Tuesday to have the gun you bought w/it actually put on your Permit,,other juristictions won't do it,,wouldn't even think of it.
If they didn't burden the public with the nonsense in the first place there would be no need for all this useless crime fighting tool to be updated

Don't recertify??,,they'll just revoke your NYS P/P,,they could care less. Then issue an order to surrender all the guns on.

Maybe everyone'd like what the NYS Dealer/Gunsmith Lic holder goes through,,not a simple on-line re-cert every 3 years but a new hand written long form application complete w/ fingerprints, photos and character ref's.
It used to take 6mo to renew just like getting a regular P/P. I had always put it in 6/8 mo's early so it wouldn't lapse. A few times it did.
The (only?)signing judge went on a 6wk ski va=ca one time I recall.
The last 2 'renewals' took 18mo each leaving me w/o the mandated lic's for 1 yr. Then they back dated them the one yr as well when they did issue. Thanks,,

Yes they can play all sorts of games, you can get all sorts of mad and you could pay a lawyer all sorts of money.
I just dumped my NYS Dealer lic finally after all that,,had had one since '72.
Move?,,not that easy to do for everyone.

But just be aware that the man behind all this SAFE act nonsense is already in the running for POTUS next time around. He waited for his turn.,,and he's is author of the orig AWB.
I'm glad Trump kept Preet on the job.

Mild Rant Over,,thanks, nitro pills at the ready.

[kozmic]

I have yet to receive any notification from any NYS or county entity regarding renewal of NY permit. I know ignorance is no defense, but I consider incompetence as intolerable. I have kept my information current with the state as I moved both from a different county and within this county.

I will also mail my renewal in return receipt at the very last minute. Further, I will list my handguns randomly and not at all as they are currently listed on my permit. This will be my small revolt and give the reviewer a 3 page puzzle to decipher.

[NYlakesider]

Originally Posted by kozmic

I have yet to receive any notification from any NYS or county entity regarding renewal of NY permit. I know ignorance is no defense, but I consider incompetence as intolerable. I have kept my information current with the state as I moved both from a different county and within this county.

I will also mail my renewal in return receipt at the very last minute. Further, I will list my handguns randomly and not at all as they are currently listed on my permit. This will be my small revolt and give the reviewer a 3 page puzzle to decipher.

My wifes letter from the state came in about 10 days ago (Got her permit early 80s) my letter came in a couple days ago, my permit early 70s).

I also have a few to list and intend to mix and match if I have to list them myself. I will shuffle the deck so to speak.

BUT, big but if they allow me to just use the paper my sheriffs department uses to list them I will just put a copy in with the paperwork, would save me a lot of time hand entering all that info. Months ago my pistol permit clerk sent me a list with all info on it and asked me to confirm, sign and mail back. Naturally I made a few copies!

[bushmaster1313]

If you forget to send in the form will owning a handgun become a felony that extinguishes your 2A rights

If so, bummer

[kenv1950]

Its going to be a messy gun grab. How many widows are out there that have forgotten they have their husbands guns ?
They have guns without a permit (felony ). Those guns will probably be confiscated and destroyed . Also one bigger mess is years ago in my county lots of people put their guns on each others permit so they could carry friends guns. That is illegal now, only immediate family . There are 13,000 permits in my county. Some say its just an inventory to clean things up, but I think its going to be much deeper . BACK DOOR GRAB !!!
It just makes me sick to see some fine old guns being destroyed when they could be in the hands of good people that would appreciate them.

[Arik]

Originally Posted by retiredbadge8091

New Yorkastan... Glad I live in a Free State.

Always love these helpful posts! Pat yourself on the back!!!!

Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk

[the ringo kid]

Originally Posted by lrrifleman

Please tell me that I am misreading these 2 lines! I would hate to think that I would need a Visa and passport to migrate to the Great State of Texas from either the north, east or northwest!

Vets excluded of course.

[Watchdog]

Originally Posted by StakeOut

I had a NYC carry permit after I retired from the NYPD for over 10 years but lo and behold a renewal application got lost or was never sent. So a short time after expiration I contacted the license bureau inquiring about my renewal. I was informed that I no longer was licenced to carry and I would not be able to get a new carry permit.

I thanked NYC(1 less tax payer) by moving my business and myself to Pike Co Pa

Did you move to another state simply because you couldn't carry a gun, or were there other underlying reasons?

Just curious.

[hammer 1]

Well, I assume clearly, I am a heathen, the wife did ours on line. She recieved the emails back that we were good to go. From what I understand, the next renewal, is going to be 85 bucks. But I am good till 2022, as of right now

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by Wise_A

Remember--it was Prince Andrew that rammed this thing through. But the Republicans still voted yes, and then they voted to fund the NYS Police.

Including Kathy "I'm so pro-gun, look at this picture of me holding a gun" Marchione. What a faker.





Locally, we had two candidates in our Republic primary. One said he supported, unequivocally, the repeal or overturning of the SAFE Act. No compromises. It violated the state constitution, and the Second Amendment, and had to go.

The other said she would, "have to balance that against getting economic legislation passed for the upstate". She also said she would have to "look into fracking" to see whether or not she supported it. This was at a public event, at a gun club, a couple weeks before the election.

The Republican committees supported the horse-trading know-nothing. The NRA followed suit, based on her responses to the infamous questionnaire.

Just because someone says they're pro-gun, doesn't mean they're pro-gun. Declare a party if you haven't already, and vote in the primaries. These people just don't give a damn about you otherwise.

That's my old State Senator right there with Marchione. He promised the world and delivered diddly. Actually turning his back on the gun owners who got him elected.
He was a protege of State Sen Dean Skelos who got sent off to jail. Skelos was part of the " 3 men in a room" who did all the states business by themselves. Cuomo, Skelos and Assemblyman Silver. Preet Bahara put two of em' in jail, hopefully the third one gets his due soon, the big fish.
The Senator in the picture moved to Texas when the heat was put on by Bahara, NY wins, TX loses, good for NY. No one in NY misses him.

Regarding recert, I'd wait until Jan 2018 and flood the NYSP with paperwork. Most people I know are doing exactly that, mailing it in with signature requirement. Why make things easy?

[MajorD]

This was the last straw for me. Moved to Arizona last year and wished I had done it a long time ago. For my dear friends still stuck in New York this is a mess. For those not familiar with New York law you must have a permit just to possess a pistol, so if your permit is not recertified you will get. A knock on the door from the state police to confiscate your guns. And the wording of the safe act states they can take not only your pistols but all long guns in your possession as well.

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by MajorD

This was the last straw for me. Moved to Arizona last year and wished I had done it a long time ago. For my dear friends still stuck in New York this is a mess. For those not familiar with New York law you must have a permit just to possess a pistol, so if your permit is not recertified you will get. A knock on the door from the state police to confiscate your guns. And the wording of the safe act states they can take not only your pistols but all long guns in your possession as well.

MajorD, what up, I remember you from that NY specific forum. Hope things are going well down there for you.
Just to clarify, in most of NYS outside the 5 Boroughs and LI, a County Judge is the issuing authority on PP's. I don't believe the NYSP can just knock on the door and confiscate anything until the issuing authority revokes/cancels a PP. By NY law the judge has the final say.
Of course we're talking NY where everything is a gray area(on purpose)and we have sketchy info on how this recert is supposed to go down.

[kenv1950]

Originally Posted by ladder13

MajorD, what up, I remember you from that NY specific forum. Hope things are going well down there for you.
Just to clarify, in most of NYS outside the 5 Boroughs and LI, a County Judge is the issuing authority on PP's. I don't believe the NYSP can just knock on the door and confiscate anything until the issuing authority revokes/cancels a PP. By NY law the judge has the final say.
Of course we're talking NY where everything is a gray area(on purpose)and we have sketchy info on how this recert is supposed to go down.

My county,state permit says (revocable at anytime) thats stamped on the permit. Doesn't give any reasons.
The ultimate gray area . I don't believe they need a court order to confiscate if your permit is revoked . If its revoked you have guns without a permit which is a felony.

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by kenv1950

My county,state permit says (revocable at anytime) thats stamped on the permit. Doesn't give any reasons.
The ultimate gray area . I don't believe they need a court order to confiscate if your permit is revoked . If its revoked you have guns without a permit which is a felony.

NYSP don't revoke anything, they don't have that power, only the issuing authority can revoke a PP, that was my point.
If a judge revokes your permit, then yes you have handguns without a PP.
The law is written, as I understand, if you don't recertify, the NYSP notify the issuing authority of failure to recertify. It's then in the judge's hands on what he does.
The NYSP do not automatically start knocking on doors....well at least legally they can't. Then again legality in NY is in the eyes of the authority excercizing their will on the unwashed heathens under their rule.

In Putnam County where the judge is pro gun, the County Clerk, and also the Sheriff, I think a further review, ie a letter from the county to your address would be in order asking why you haven't recertified. I don't think automatic revocation would result right away. Not fact, just speculation on my part knowing personally the clerk, the judge and the Sheriff. Don Smith, the Sheriff, was one of the leading LE officials to condemn the SAFE Law from the getgo.
Would they "get in line" if the State puts some pressure on them? Probably, but who knows.

Not every gun owner in NYS knows what's going on, there's plenty of FUDD's, shut ins, older folks, etc. Not that it's an excuse for not knowing the law but that's just the way it is.
People don't even know 10+ rd mags are illegal, some people.
Many people don't know their long guns are in jeopardy, the most insidious part, imo, of the law.

The state is claiming a campaign to inform people of the need to recert, how they do that is a mystery.

[kenv1950]

ladder13
Time will tell all.
Lucky for us in Del. Co. our new judge is pro guns and our Sheriff.
Only thing I have against our new judge is he became judge and was my lawyer, now I have to find another lawyer was a good lawyer and respected.
In a way my Co. is pretty good, I just worry about the state.