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Old 04-08-2018, 08:59 PM
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This is how it's happening now; at the state level, small councils of creepy bureaucrats take a vote, and "poof" there go your gun rights. State after state, city after city. Many of these activists are coming in from other areas (not locals). They're actively going after anything semi-auto, and any mags over 10 rds; make no mistake brothers, this is a wave of subversion unlike we've ever seen, and it's coming your way. It's going to take more than silence to stop this...

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There you have it. It's no longer possible to have a mass shooting in Boulder. Way to go Cali-rado. Bring in the dope, ban the guns.
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Apologies to Upton Sinclair.

I live in the Peoples Republic of Boulder. Jill Adler Grano and the city attorney thought this was, I quote, "a no-brainer".
They are mistaken. The city council has never before seen the level of citizen involvement for any issue in our history that it had at last Thursday's special council session and 80% of it was against the ordinance. The deal may be done behind closed doors, but the fight is far from over.

My family does not own an Armalite Rifle style of firearm, but my Honey's M&P 15-22 is considered a weapon of war under this bad ordinance. She went to the meeting and I streamed it at work. The level of civility and rationality on our side was impressive, even to some on the council. The fight is not over and Honey may become an outlaw yet. Of course my Garands, M1 Carbines and 1903's aren't considered weapons of war under this bad ordinance.

Colorado and Boulder have not rolled over yet and the "leaders" of the PRB have been unpleasantly surprised. We'll see what happens and we'll fight. And win!

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Please keep us posted on your efforts. We all learn from each other.
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City attorney Tom Carr asked the audience to stop laughing at him as he tried to explain the nuances of various types of guns.
I seem to recall people telling me to "move to a free state" every time I bring up some of the more annoying things about NY.

I don't think that Texas is all that far off from Florida Syndrome. Red-Blue count is pretty similar in both states' legislatures.

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FL is still good. The recent changes in gun laws here, while bad in concept, are nowhere as bad as the opposition party wanted them to be. We have a rally here tomorrow in the state capital. We’ll see how that goes.
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Yes indeed...DC will not respond, so cities and states are imposing their will.

It will take someone with deep pockets and a good constitutional lawyer and the will to spend the time and money to force all these cases through the courts.

If that does not happen, this is here to stay, and will get progressively worse.

Might want to be planning a boating accident at a DEEP lake..
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FL is still good. The recent changes in gun laws here, while bad in concept, are nowhere as bad as the opposition party wanted them to be.
Unless you're 18-21 years old.
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Yeah, we don't need to do anything like publicly show where we stand or anything. That goofy Hogg kid and his buddies aren't going to get anything done to restrict our rights.

So now we have new restrictions like this enacted in Florida, Massachusetts, Illinois, Vermont, New Jersey, and now Colorado - in just the last month or so.

But it isn't coming to a town near you anytime soon. The anti's aren't gaining ground or anything. No need to go to rallies, or join the NRA or do anything rash like that. Let's just sit on our duffs and do nothing.

Better yet let's gripe about it on the internet and make fun of the social media tools that the youngsters are using to organize their anti-Second Amendment rallies. That will show them.

Move along, nothing to see here....

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Add Vermont & New Jersey to that list
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Most of us in Colorado regard Boulder as little more than 42 miles surrounded by reality. Definitely the headquarters for the "Let's Californicate Colorado Movement", always counted on to jump on the politically correct wagon every time.

Colorado has a relatively strong state preemption statute, so I expect that this action by the Boulder City Council will be in court very quickly.

Boulder is a bad joke that just keeps repeating itself.
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Yeah, we don't need to do anything like publicly show where we stand or anything. That goofy Hogg kid and his buddies aren't going to get anything done to restrict our rights.
Because you're under the mistaken impression that the people who write and vote on laws care where you stand.

They don't think you're nonexistent. They don't think you want gun control. There's no credible threat behind numbers for our special interest. What are you going to do--vote for the other side? Stay home? That's why Florida rolled: the Republicans were terrified of losing the state, so they capitulated. And frankly, after that, they should lose the state, and Governor Scott deserves to lose his Senate race. This is a guy who runs on being a "true conservative". It's Line #1 of his website.

I would also point out that you're counting whack-a-doodle city councils as "new gun laws in Colorado and Michigan". Which is pretty much the result of people not bothering to turn out for local elections. Whatever. They'll get overturned in the preemption lawsuits, assuming they get pushed far enough. The sad part is that the taxpayers of those municipalities will have to foot the bill, and the Big Bad NRA will be blamed.

New Jersey was a lost cause as soon as Murphy was elected governor. If you want to blame anybody, blame Chris Christie, who not only razed any Republican candidate's chances for succeeding him, but managed to salt the earth as well.

Vermont has a Democratic majority in the assembly, even before you count the Independents and Progressives. Again, the big story is the betrayal by a Republican governor, because we have absolutely no way to inflict political consequences on him.

Even if those ludicrous marches were remotely successful--hastily-organized, over-ambitious, and on a Saturday--we're still a minority. We're looking for ways to defend ourselves against the tides of popular opinion, and as a minority, we can't do that by playing a popular opinion game. We need to demonstrate that gun owners are more valuable than mere votes, and that means political volunteerism.
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Sorry Wise_A, but I disagree. It isn't - and shouldn't be - either / or. It needs to be BOTH.

WHY the heck do you always adopt such a defeatist position? That does more damage to our side than if you were an anti-2A proponent - because since you're on OUR side people won't argue with you like they would an anti.

IMO you're discouraging a form of activism - and at this point, ANY and ALL activism is needed. Is there some reason you can't simply encourage others to volunteer politically without discouraging OTHER efforts?

There are people who can't or won't make the time to volunteer for political campaigns. Sad, but true. At least SOME of those people will at least attend a rally - which is better than nothing and possibly a stepping-stone to doing more.

Then someone comes along and tells them how politicians don't care or listen and a) we're already defeated or b) the anti's aren't making progress - and lulls them to sleep with apathy or discouragement.

As I see it your actions help the other side more than they help ours. Might make you feel smarter and "WISE-er" than the rest of us but it doesn't do anything to further our goals and positions.
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Because it's a realistic position, and because it allows us to exchange things we don't care about for things we do. I don't feel like dying on a hill for bump stocks. And in the same vein, I don't see the point of wasting money and activism on an item that we're going to lose anyway, that nobody gives much of a damn about anyway aside from the point that it's a gun law.

Politics is a zero-sum game with limited resources. Every dollar and minute you spend defending positions you can't hold is a dollar and a minute you don't have available to resist universal background checks.

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Because I've been to them. Here's how it goes when it's successful:

--5000 people show up
--4950 of them are rational, law-abiding folks
--50 of them are foaming-at-the-mouth whackjobs and anti plants
--Guess which ones get a camera pointed at them?

When it's not successful, it's the same as when you drive to a gun show and see two lonely protesters.

Rallies feel nice, but that's about it. And yeah, I think they're damaging when people think that that counts as their contribution for the year.

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If you have half a morning to show up for a rally, you have enough time to volunteer. That's all it takes to cover one to three neighborhoods' worth of doorknob packets.

And here's the thing: there's going to be half-nobody actually doing this. Literally half of them are going to be the candidates themselves. And even money says you can expect your state assemblymen to be at the HQ.

You know--those guys that vote on your state's gun laws.

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One--when they're not being listened to, what good does lying do?

Two--in case you weren't paying attention, all the losses have been at the state level. FL and VT were both huge gut-punches, and should be a hell of a wakeup call.

Side note, I thought it was pretty damn disgusting how the majority of 2A guys thought that disenfranchising 18-21 year-olds was no big deal, especially after (and rightly so) the world practically ended when they wanted to do the same to folks that got financial management assistance. Dudes--this is why you guys have such bad luck with non-traditional gun owners. Cuz everyone cries about millennials and blasts country music at NRAAM.

Precisely where we're weakest, and where we have the best chance to make the greatest impact with the smallest number of people. The RNC is cash-rich and volunteer-short. That's an opportunity to create dependency. Dependency means leverage. Leverage means we get what we want.

The NRA's done a great job at national organization and applying resources to specific situations, supporting state-level organizations in lawsuits against various infringements. NRA money to NYSRPA is literally the reason why I have three extra rounds in my carry pistol.

Where we suck out loud is grassroots organization. The antis are entrenched in the various Democratic committees because that's where loose stuff rolls. We don't have that strength because the NRA is too dependent on the RNC to do anything but support whatever candidates the local Republican committees pick (too often, a candidate weak on guns).

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We're not far apart. I think we both agree that we have to reach state legislators. Personally, I think that's great. Those people are accessible, a lot easier than trying to press the flesh with a congressman.

Where we differ is how to do that, and why we're currently failing (which we are). I don't think that the school walk-outs and mass anti protests were all that "proactively" successful. That is to say, they didn't suddenly rouse a wave of anti-gun sentiment among the political class. I think that what they really did was expose how our political allies aren't really that committed to fighting for us.
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I grew up in Greeley, Colorado. I worked in the Boulder District Court for 11 years. With one exception, I found the judges to be wary of letting politics interfere with their decisions.

OTOH, when the city council made it illegal to wage thermonuclear war in Boulder, it seemed about the norm.
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This is how it's happening now; at the state level, small councils of creepy bureaucrats take a vote, and "poof" there go your gun rights. State after state, city after city. Many of these activists are coming in from other areas (not locals). They're actively going after anything semi-auto, and any mags over 10 rds; make no mistake brothers, this is a wave of subversion unlike we've ever seen, and it's coming your way. It's going to take more than silence to stop this...

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I hate to be repetitive, but, consider it necessary. PLEASE, READ, ALL, OF "Best Quotations Of Thomas Jefferson".
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After reading many posts, pertaining to our gun rights, relentlessly being taken from us, I've suggested many times, that all concerned, read the short book, entitled, "Best Quotations Of Thomas Jefferson". The author of this book, our third president, had the foresight to know the problems we folks, living in a "democracy", would eventually have to face, and offer suggestions about what would be needed to solve them. Apparently no one, has read it, as I have not read of a single, reference to my suggestions. Nevertheless, I will keep making the suggestion, as long as I am allowed to do so! Now, How about it, Has anyone read it?

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After reading many posts, pertaining to our gun rights, relentlessly being taken from us, I've suggested many times, that all concerned, read the short book, entitled, "Best Quotations Of Thomas Jefferson". The author of this book, our third president, had the foresight to know the problems we folks, living in a "democracy", would eventually have to face, and offer suggestions about what would be needed to solve them. Apparently no one, has read it, as I have not read of a single, reference to my suggestions. Nevertheless, I will keep making the suggestion, as long as I am allowed to do so! Now, How about it, Has anyone read it?

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Well, I guess not. No one wants to hear the truth, It's easier to sit back, whine, and offer solutions that can't work, and wait for some one else to find a miraculous answer to the problem, one that requires little, no, participation, or effort on the "whiner's" part. It's a fact, We, the legal gun owners of the USA, do have a BIG problem, that will have to be dealt with, before it's resolved, one way or the other. The answer, although "As Plain As A Billy Goat's Butt" is not easy, or pleasant.

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After reading many posts, pertaining to our gun rights, relentlessly being taken from us, I've suggested many times, that all concerned, read the short book, entitled, "Best Quotations Of Thomas Jefferson". The author of this book, our third president, had the foresight to know the problems we folks, living in a "democracy", would eventually have to face, and offer suggestions about what would be needed to solve them. Apparently no one, has read it, as I have not read of a single, reference to my suggestions. Nevertheless, I will keep making the suggestion, as long as I am allowed to do so! Now, How about it, Has anyone read it?

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I've lost track of how many times you've suggested forum members read this book. You keep promoting it, even though everything Jefferson said doesn't have a thing to do with freedom, guns, the Second Amendment, or individual liberties.

Do you have some specific quotes in mind that pertain to this?

I haven't read the book, simply because I can't find it. I'm not sure you have the title correct, either. I've searched and can't find a book titled Best Quotations of Thomas Jefferson. There are pages and websites devoted to Jefferson and his more notable quotes.

Do you have a link to this book and its title? If so, please post it somewhere in this forum so I can find it. Otherwise, I doubt anyone will read it and comment on it.

Or is the book shown here the one you're talking about?

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I've lost track of how many times you've suggested forum members read this book. You keep promoting it, even though everything Jefferson said doesn't have a thing to do with freedom, guns, the Second Amendment, or individual liberties.

Do you have some specific quotes in mind that pertain to this?

I haven't read the book, simply because I can't find it. I'm not sure you have the title correct, either. I've searched and can't find a book titled Best Quotations of Thomas Jefferson. There are pages and websites devoted to Jefferson and his more notable quotes.

Do you have a link to this book and its title? If so, please post it somewhere in this forum so I can find it. Otherwise, I doubt anyone will read it and comment on it.

Or is the book shown here the one you're talking about?

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I don't know how better to answer questions like the ones you asked, or how you could make a statement like you did, in your quote, as follows, "Even though everything Jefferson said dosen't have anything to do with freedom, guns, the second amendment, or individual libertys". Maybe you should find the most basic American History book, and start by reading it. OBTW I did give the correct title of this book, in question. It was written by
Thomas Jefferson, the third president, of the USA. If you can follow the easy to follow, title, "Best Quotations of Thomas Jefferson", type it into "Google" on your computer, and you should be able to find the book. I have the Kindle edition, for 99. I don't know where you found that book that you showed, but it is not the one that I suggested. It's easy to tell, by reading the title. Sorry about the confusion. You are right, I have suggested this book many times, perhaps too many times. And since only one person was interested, I will now "shut Up", and be prepared, for what is certain to come.

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