Virginia battles ahead...

[stansdds]

Originally Posted by akoda

Bloomberg has bought the local airways, we cant forget

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So tired of the non-stop Bloomberg 2020 ads on tv.

[Watchdog]

Originally Posted by Jessie

I heard a humorous but factual quote the other day..” Virginians are fighting a war of Northam aggression “

That's a great play on words! And yeah, unfortunately it's true. The only bright spot in Virginia's gun legislation war is that that the state's governor is limited to one term in office.

[Valmet]

Originally Posted by stansdds

So tired of the non-stop Bloomberg 2020 ads on tv.

Completely agree. He’s literally buying his way into everything.

[delcrossv]

Originally Posted by Valmet

Completely agree. He’s literally buying his way into everything.

Hopefully it's into penury.

[asilcot]

Originally Posted by Valmet

Completely agree. He’s literally buying his way into everything.

Based on the highlights I have seen of last nights debate he must have missed a payment.

[Valmet]

Originally Posted by asilcot

Based on the highlights I have seen of last nights debate he must have missed a payment.

And I’m hopeful it’s the death knell for his shoddy campaign.

[stansdds]

Originally Posted by Valmet

And I’m hopeful it’s the death knell for his shoddy campaign.

Sadly, it is not. Michael Doomberg has stated that he will continue to campaign. I doubt his ego will allow him to stop.

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by asilcot

Based on the highlights I have seen of last nights debate he must have missed a payment.

He looked like his check bounced.

[Recusant]

I wonder if he'll threaten to run as an Independent in order to get the Dems to award him the 500 super delegate votes? I don't think the DNC could stand a 3-way race. These are interesting times we live in. Folks need to stock up on AR rifles while they can.

[ameridaddy]

Originally Posted by Recusant

I wonder if he'll threaten to run as an Independent in order to get the Dems to award him the 500 super delegate votes? I don't think the DNC could stand a 3-way race. These are interesting times we live in. Folks need to stock up on AR rifles while they can.

Actually, better stock up on magazines too, because the bill would have allowed you to keep the rifle if registered, but it remained a felony to possess a 30 or 20 round magazine.
An AR isn't much use without a magazine. I guess a ten rounder exists, but I haven't seen one around here.
Just looked, and 10 rounders are out there for about $10.

[fiasconva]

The dems are going to have to do some real modifying of this law to get it to pass. The magazine limit for all firearms is unenforceable realistically. And with so many counties and cities going the sanctuary route who is going to enforce it? How many firearms have been manufactured in the last 20 years that have magazine capacities of over 12 rounds?

[stansdds]

And in a an utterly childish move, Democrats in the Virginia Senate get even with sheriff's departments for their standing up for citizen's 2A rights.

Lawmaker cites refusal to enforce gun laws as reason for deputy pay raise controversy

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by stansdds

And in a an utterly childish move, Democrats in the Virginia Senate get even with sheriff's departments for their standing up for citizen's 2A rights.

Lawmaker cites refusal to enforce gun laws as reason for deputy pay raise controversy

Strongarming is their MO.

[Watchdog]

"A Virginia Republican state senator claimed he was told by the Democratic Senate Majority Leader that sheriff’s departments in the Commonwealth would not be getting a pay increase this coming year because many sheriffs have voiced opposition to gun control legislation.

Sen. William “Bill” M. Stanley, Jr. (R - 20th) made the claim in a Facebook post Thursday night."

Translation: Some guy said some other guy said something.

In a court of law, this is what's known as "hearsay". But when posted on Facebook, it becomes gospel truth and the person saying it gets his name in the papers and on local news programs.

Pretending the failure to pass a 3% pay raise/bonus package is solely due to payback for sheriffs saying they won't enforce new gun laws is disingenuous at best.

I'll bet a lot of military retirees who've spent twenty or thirty years serving and protecting their country wish they could get a 3% pay raise for the next two years insted of the measly 1.6% raise they got for 2020.

[Recusant]

Originally Posted by Watchdog

"[I]Translation: Some guy said some other guy said something.I.

In this video Senator Saslaw takes ownership of the comment he made. However, while there has been some media coverage of this exchange, the print media in Richmond (The Richmond Times-Dispatch) has not made mention of this event. Limited coverage at best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOTj9vXZHBE

[ladder13]

Originally Posted by Recusant

In this video Senator Saslaw takes ownership of the comment he made. However, while there has been some media coverage of this exchange, the print media in Richmond (The Richmond Times-Dispatch) has not made mention of this event. Limited coverage at best.

YouTube

And there you have it.

[stansdds]

Per the VCDL, bills heading for the governor's desk to be signed into law.


Bills that VCDL opposed:

HB 9 - lost/stolen firearms must be reported in 48 hours - time to report increased from 24 to 48 hours.

SB 14 - bans possession of bump stocks. Binary triggers, trigger cranks, etc. are not affected.

SB 35 - allows localities to create their own gun laws. Restricted as to where localities can control guns: government buildings, parks, recreation and community centers, permitted events and surrounding roads.

SB 240 - Red Flag law - additional protections for search warrants and wrongful accusations were added.

HB 264 - Eliminates online training and possibly NRA instructors - language eliminating training from NRA instructors was removed from final bill. Bill now only eliminates online training to get a CHP.

HB 421 - allows locates to create their own gun laws. Restricted as to where localities can control guns: government buildings, parks, recreation and community centers, permitted events and surrounding roads.

HB 1004 - protective orders take away gun rights while in effect.

HB 1080 - only those authorized by state law can carry on K-12 grounds. Conservators of the Peace cannot carry on school grounds under this bill.

HB 1083 - class 1 misdemeanor for younger than 14-years-old getting access to a loaded firearm in a reckless manner. Only change to current law is raising the penalty from a Class 3 misdemeanor to a Class 1 misdemeanor.


Bills that VCDL supported:

SB 173 - allows CHP holders to have a stun-weapon in their vehicle while on K-12 school grounds.

SB 268 - No sales tax on gun safes less than $1,500.

The governor may sign them as-is, but he has the option to amend them as he sees fit and send it back to the house from which it originated. If that house agrees with the amended version, it goes to the other house for consideration. If both houses agree, then the governor's version becomes law. This could get dangerous for firearms owners. He did not get his AWB, wonder if he will start adding it to any or all of the bills that reach his desk?

[Jessie]

It’s not over...ever.
They need to be watched like puppies that have just learned to walk.
They most definitely will try any means to push as much as possible into law.

[stansdds]

No, it's not over. From the VCDL on March 5, 2020.

HB 2 - Universal Background Checks - Conference committee supported Senate version of the bill. House agreed. Bill has now passed both bodies.

SB 64 - makes two or more individuals brandishing with the intent and purpose of intimidating others a felony - passed House with amendment. Senate agreed to the amendment. Bill has now passed both bodies.

SB 69 - One Handgun a Month. House agrees with conference committee, which said Senate version is best. Bill has now passed both bodies.

SB 263 - Eliminates online training and possibly NRA instructors. House agreed with conference report and accepted the Senate changes. The bill has now passed both bodies.

HB 812 - One Handgun a Month. Conference changes accepted. Now includes Senate language exempting CHP holders. Bill has now passed both bodies.

[dockmurgw]

Originally Posted by stansdds

No, it's not over. From the VCDL on March 5, 2020.

HB 2 - Universal Background Checks - Conference committee supported Senate version of the bill. House agreed. Bill has now passed both bodies.

SB 64 - makes two or more individuals brandishing with the intent and purpose of intimidating others a felony - passed House with amendment. Senate agreed to the amendment. Bill has now passed both bodies.

SB 69 - One Handgun a Month. House agrees with conference committee, which said Senate version is best. Bill has now passed both bodies.

SB 263 - Eliminates online training and possibly NRA instructors. House agreed with conference report and accepted the Senate changes. The bill has now passed both bodies.

HB 812 - One Handgun a Month. Conference changes accepted. Now includes Senate language exempting CHP holders. Bill has now passed both bodies.

SB 64 looked interesting, so I looked it up:

3. Violates subsection A of § 18.2-282 while assembled with one or more persons for the purpose of and with the intent to intimidate any person or group of persons.

Looks like an extension of an existing brandishing law, and a reaction to some of the gun rally participants. I guess if you have another rally, the AK's will need to stay home. Just my opinion.

[Jessie]

It seems that it would be a very difficult intent to prove.

[stansdds]

That's just it, what will be the threshold for intent? Standing outside of someone's house and pointing a firearm? Ok, that's intent. Or is it a political rally and two people show up with handguns in open carry holsters? Just like the woman who was arrested at the VCDL Lobby Day rally for wearing a mask. She was later released and the charge was dropped because there was no proof of intent. It was a particularly cold day and lots of people were wearing scarfs and such over their mouths and noses.

[runscott]

"intent to intimidate" may be up for interpretation in a legal sense, but it's common sense that you shouldn't open carry with the intent to intimidate.

If guns rights supporters like us can't understand common sense and carry our guns with common sense in mind, then we are playing right into the hands of these people.

[Watchdog]

I guess folks can keep on debating moot points of law, what is or might be or what might not be legal or illegal or whatever, for all the good that's going to do.

In the meantime, Virginia's legislative session adjourned on March 7, and won't reconvene until April 22.

As others have mentioned, bills about background checks, the one-gun-a-month bill, and several others have gone to Governor Northam for his signature.

He has until April 6 to sign them into law, and the laws will become effective on July 1, 2020.

Is anyone naïve enough to think he won't sign them? All the rallies and Lobby Day and "sanctuary" resolutions have rolled off Northam like water off a duck's back. The man could not care less about Virginia gun owners' Second Amendment rights. He's had this agenda from day one, and this term in office is the only chance he'll have to advance it.

Referring to the title of this thread, "Virginia battles ahead...", about the only battles I see happening will be within the legislature, itself, as members battle with each other over wording and amendments of every new anti-gun bill that's introduced. And like these most recent bills awaiting Northam's signature, most of them will end up on Northam's desk in one form or another.

Don't be surprised if a proposed AR ban rears its ugly head again in the next legislative session. Ditto for high cap magazines. And any proposed AR ban will undoubtedly include some sort of grandfather clause which will require registration of currently owned AR-style rifles. AR owners will have two choices: Tell the state who you are, where you are, and what you have, or turn them in.

The next real battles for Virginia's gun owners will be at the polls.

[stansdds]

Next year will bring more battles, for certain. I expect next year we will see another gun ban bill, magazine ban bill, maybe an ammo restriction bill, and even a limit on CCW permit issuance and renewals. Since Northam really wanted his assault weapons/magazine ban and did not get it, I would not be surprised to see him enact executive action to restrict such things.

[Recusant]

Northam is probably waiting for the next major shooting incident to enact executive action to do what the General Assembly didn't.

[mike from st pete]

Say a break-in expert finds a gun or two while stealing jewelry &c, sells said stolen gun to a drug dealer, does the UBC law include penalty for NOT doing a background check?

[delcrossv]

Originally Posted by Watchdog

Don't be surprised if a proposed AR ban rears its ugly head again in the next legislative session. Ditto for high cap magazines. And any proposed AR ban will undoubtedly include some sort of grandfather clause which will require registration of currently owned AR-style rifles. AR owners will have two compliant choices: Tell the state who you are, where you are, and what you have, or turn them in.

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FIFY. There's always the 3rd choice.

Actually the most popular one one in states that have instituted registration schemes.

The only long term solution is vote them out and repeal everything Northam had signed. No legacy for him- except resurrecting a healthy distrust of politicians.

[stansdds]

Originally Posted by mike from st pete

Say a break-in expert finds a gun or two while stealing jewelry &c, sells said stolen gun to a drug dealer, does the UBC law include penalty for NOT doing a background check?

I guess if one could prove beyond reasonable doubt that the firearm had been sold, then perhaps it could be an extra charge against the criminals. It will be interesting to see if such a situation is prosecuted.

[stansdds]

Originally Posted by delcrossv

FIFY. There's always the 3rd choice.

Actually the most popular one one in states that have instituted registration schemes.

The only long term solution is vote them out and repeal everything Northam had signed. No legacy for him- except resurrecting a healthy distrust of politicians.

We can start voting them out in about a year and half, but since senators serve a four year term, we are going to be stuck with a good number of anti-gun senators for another 3 and one half years. Elections have consequences.