Firearm Microstamping Bill Signed By Gov. Newsom

[SpikeIDMT]

Controversial AB 2847 signed into law

Earlier this week, Governor Gavin Newsom signed into law a bill that requires newer model handguns in California to be microstamped.

Gun manufacturers and firearm advocates denounced the decision, noting that it not only violates Second Amendment rights and would increase black market activity and and non-registered weapons in the state, but would also hurt economically during a time of economic downturn.

Firearm Microstamping Bill Signed By Gov. Newsom - California Globe

[rbmac52]

I saw this kind of garbage legislation coming down the pike long before I retired in 2005. I moved out of the state two weeks after I concluded my 27 year career in law enforcement.

Pretty soon, when you look up California's list of approved weapons, it will be a blank page.

[Jessie]

It’s micromanaging. To what possible end you might ask?
Control

[6GUNSONLY]

Just more of the hi-tech but practically useless gadgetry that the left-wingers love. Makes them feel like they're doing something to "reduce crime" when in reality it does nothing but drive up costs and infringe on liberty. But neither of those outcomes bother them at all.

[Tadeus67]

A "solution" to a non existing problem.....these politicians are the same no matter the country they are.

[Echo40]

I've never understood the concept of Micro-stamping. I mean, in order for it to be any practical value for solving violent crimes committed with a firearm, then there would need to be a database setup for every single firearm, who owns each firearm, and said database would have to be kept meticulously up-to-date.

It's just another one of those impractical ideas come up by people with way too much free time, yet apparently don't bother to consider the amount of time, resources, and effort would be required to implement them.

This is yet another reason why I find it so amusing when folks act like the buffoons who come up with this sort of thing are masterminds who are using clever tactics as part of some sort of elaborate, extremely long-term evil plan to rob citizens of their civil rights.
Fortunately, they're not that smart, and even if they were, then they would have realized that such a long-term scheme couldn't possibly be carried out within the lifetime of any of the parties involved, thus resulting in the project being abandoned in favor of projects that they could actually live to reap the benefits of. Unfortunately, they're legitimately so naive that they actually believe that these ideas are viable, hence why they're willing to fund something so obviously financially draining, especially during times of economic crisis such as this when government spending obviously needs to be limited to only the most vital experiences rather than piling on additional expenses like this. These aren't evil geniuses of the highest order who come up with this nonsense, it's the over-privileged offspring of the absurdly wealthy and powerful who lack any concept of a budget, much less how to manage one, have been surrounded by incompetent sycophants their entire lives, and are hopelessly out of touch with reality as a result.

[Gunhacker]

Originally Posted by Forte Smitten Wesson

I've never understood the concept of Micro-stamping. I mean, in order for it to be any practical value for solving violent crimes committed with a firearm, then there would need to be a database setup for every single firearm, who owns each firearm, and said database would have to be kept meticulously up-to-date.

California has had that in place for decades.

In order to purchase a firearm, there is a form called the Dealer Record of Sale (DROS) that gets filled out, and submitted to the CA DOJ, which triggers a background check. CA has a 10 waiting period, if you don't pass the background check, the FFL dealer will not get approval from the DOJ to release the firearm to the buyer at the end of the waiting period.

Buying a firearm from a private party requires going thru in FFL and a DROS being filled out with both seller and buyer info and submitted to the DOJ, with the same waiting period and background check taking place.

I don't understand is... CA has had a micro-stamping law for some time now, requiring new pistols to have that feature in order to qualify for being added to the DOJ handgun roster. And California has not had a new pistol added to the roster since 2013... all that remains is the few pistol models that were already on the roster before that law took effect.

If this law expands that to revolvers, what good would that do, unless a bud guys manually ejects the casings from the revolver?

[ISCS Yoda]

If this law expands that to revolvers, what good would that do, unless a bud guys manually ejects the casings from the revolver?

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[schutz5]

Swell,real swell.

[jag312]

This is just one more goofy idea from the California loonies. Before I retired, I heard all kinds of crazy ideas for "gun safety". The goofiest idea was a law requiring engineering a 5 minute delay into a firearm. Pull the trigger and wait 5 minutes for the firearm to shoot. It will give you five minutes to ponder your decision to shoot and change your mind. Yes, someone actually came up with that "sensible" idea.
Equally crazy was a proposal to classify air soft guns that shoot little plastic beads as deadly weapons. I feel sorry for the sane people who live in the insane asylum of California.

[SpikeIDMT]

Originally Posted by rbmac52

Pretty soon, when you look up California's list of approved weapons, it will be a blank page.

Pretty sure that's their plan.

That and driving up costs has always been the result

[Buick]

Sounds like there will be a hot black market for expended range brass that criminals can purchase to liberally sprinkle around a crime scene.

[johngalt]

Of course the real goal is a total ban. This is just less direct.

[TTSH]

I don't see where it changes much of anything. The damage (to CA gunowners by limiting their choices) was already done by the earlier (2007?) microstamping law. This is just the crazy anti-2A folks in CA having another temper tantrum that the technology has not been implemented and probably never will be.

But maybe I am missing something. As horrible and anti-2A as Massachusetts is, California seems so much worse.

BTW, notice that law enforcement is still exempt. Law enforcement is always exempt from the stupidest and silliest of the anti-gun laws.

[stansdds]

There is a saying, "as California goes, so goes the rest of the country". I predict we will soon see bills requiring civilian owned firearms to have a micro-stamping scheme resurrected in D.C.

[Racer X]

But isn't it still illegal for a Federal firearms owner database? Does this sidestep that very important legal protection?

And how well/long will the firing pin raised markings last? To the best of my knowledge, there is only one technology company, holding a patent, for the firing pin stamp. What about needing a replacement firing pin? How will that work?

The patent holder is related to one of the sponsors of the federal bill that never passed. There was a scandal that wasn't exactly made public, because it would clash with their agenda.

[LDM]

It will probably take less than five minutes for some smart gunsmith to find a method to defeat the microstamping. The whole idea with this and "smart" gun technology is to raise the cost of firearms to make them unaccessible to all but the privileged elites that provide the campaign money.

[Johnnu2]

I'm thinking that legislation like this accounts for the mass exodus from Ca. to Colo. (and the resultant exodus of Colorado folk to 'elsewhere')...??
J.

[robertrwalsh]

Due to a personal-family tragedy Gavin Newsom hates guns and hates gun owners. He therefore feels he is entitled to force his personal views on everybody in the state and can be counted on to do everything he can to interfere with the rights of honest gun owners. (His Grandfather was a survivor of the Batan Death March. Blew his brains out at the dinner table one night after years of threatening to kill family members.)

[Johnnu2]

Oh of course, makes 'sense' now.... I guess it's OK then... :-)))
J.

[Johnnu2]

True .... but THAT's not the point.... is it?
J.

[Sistema1927]

Something that adds cost to the price of the firearm, yet can be defeated with two strokes of a file.

Way to go California!

[Johnnu2]

It's called 'liberal logic' and works well for them. Sorta like plastic recyling in San Francisco works for them. :-)))

[WCCPHD]

Originally Posted by Collects

Microstamping is easily defeated by criminals. All they need to do is either replace the firing pin, or file the microstamping off of the firing pin. Alternatively, they can use a revolver (which does not leave brass cartridge cases behind) or pick up their brass before fleeing the crime scene.

Can anybody even point to so much as a single gun violence case which was solved by use of microstamping?

First: the term "gun violence" has no meaning. Guns are inanimate objects and cannot be violent. This is a term coined by the anti-gun people and the leftist media.

Second: The bill was never intended to solve a crime or deter crime. Its intent was to require a technology that is known not to work so as to effectively stop the manufacture, shipping into and sale of handguns in California.

In that regard the bill will achieve its intended (not stated) goal.

[SweetMK]

They are just trying to create new bumper sticker market!!


Lumberjacks Own Round Files,,,
ONLY Criminals Own Flat Files,,,

[Racer X]

"You will pry my pre-ban firing pins from my cold, dead hands!"

Taking pre orders now.

[Hank Dodge]

Sounds like this legislation re-writes the prior microstamping law to allow the identifying microstamp be left in only one place rather than the original requirement of two places. This could in theory be a bit easier for a manufacturer to produce. I'd hope that the firearms industry continues to ignore kalifornia and their absurd requirements. The only chance that this goofy state has to overturn this type of legislation is to let it get to the point where arms are no longer commonly available to the people. Once this becomes a constitutional infringement, we can get it all thrown out and get back to normal.

That said....This legislation continues to only effect pistol sales. Luckily, revolvers seem to have again been deemed a non issue.

[robertrwalsh]

That's because no evil person in the whole history of evilness has ever used a revolver to do anything evil. They only use evil semi-automatic assault weapons, usually with equally evil large capacity magazines capable of carrying thousands of bullets and firing them all in 2.7 seconds.

[stansdds]

Originally Posted by Collects

Microstamping is easily defeated by criminals. All they need to do is either replace the firing pin, or file the microstamping off of the firing pin. Alternatively, they can use a revolver (which does not leave brass cartridge cases behind) or pick up their brass before fleeing the crime scene.

Can anybody even point to so much as a single case of criminal misuse of a gun, which was solved by use of microstamping?

I remember years ago there was a scheme where every pistol was test fired at the factory, the brass collected, one piece was put in the box with the pistol, the other was sent to a government agency. The theory being if the pistol was ever used in a crime, the recovered brass would be used to trace the pistol through the chain of ownership. I do not recall this system ever helping to solve a crime and the whole scheme was discontinued.

[Johnnu2]

Originally Posted by stansdds

I remember years ago there was a scheme where every pistol was test fired at the factory, the brass collected, one piece was put in the box with the pistol, the other was sent to a government agency. The theory being if the pistol was ever used in a crime, the recovered brass would be used to trace the pistol through the chain of ownership. I do not recall this system ever helping to solve a crime and the whole scheme was discontinued.

Stan, that would be my state (NY.... the 'second-worst' state to live in the USA). Surprisingly, a Dem. governor eliminated that program (called COBIS); he did it only for one reason $$$: it was costing a fortune and hadn't assisted in solving a single crime. It took 12 years to wake up (2000-2012) but they finally killed it. I sure wish I could have gotten all the brass that the NYS police had collected...Being a government entity, they probably threw it out instead of taking it to a scrap yard... :-) Just for fun, here is the news article I found about COBIS and it's termination: Cuomo whacks Pataki gun law

J.

[Hank Dodge]

The whole thing is pretty silly to begin with. If you have a shell casing or a bullet found at the scene of a crime, and you have a suspect with a firearm, it's a pretty simple task to see if they all fit together.....

[vipermd]

He is a joke , just like the law. Bad guys will remove it, good guys will move. We need to stop giving Federal funds to ca, ny, until they comply with the constitution, and stop the idiotic laws based on "feelings" instead of fact. Be Safe,

[JJEH]

What info does that stamp show anyways?

[rwsmith]

...that hasn't been said already.

[duman444]

Originally Posted by JJEH

What info does that stamp show anyways?

I also wonder what info the stamp shows. An enterprising soul could make his own aftermarket pins with sayings like "It wasn't me, I was never there, I'm innocent, etc) and maybe make some coin.

[JJEH]

Originally Posted by duman444

I also wonder what info the stamp shows. An enterprising soul could make his own aftermarket pins with sayings like "It wasn't me, I was never there, I'm innocent, etc) and maybe make some coin.

I googled a bit and apparently it's been played around with since 2007. Okay people of CA, what is wrong with you?

Anyway... here's an article I could find on LA Times;

Microstamping is a process in which a gun imprints a unique microscopic code onto the ammunition it fires. The goal is to enable detectives to collect shell casings at a crime scene, enter the code in a database and quickly track the firearm to its owner.

Okay, so we force manufacturers to develop and implement such technology and then charge more for each firearm. No one would do that, they would just stop selling in CA altogether.

Again, it's the people that suffer from such ludicrous laws. Those politicians need to be fired by the people.

And on top of it, it's not like it can't be manipulated by criminals... these people have lost their minds.

This is a joke.

It’s time to end ‘microstamp’ requirement for handguns - Los Angeles Times

[Hank Dodge]

Most guns used in crimes are stolen in the first place. Having microstamping on a shell casing is more than likely going to lead police down a dead end path anyway.

Hopefully, the manufactures don't attempt to play into this. The whole ploy with kalifornia is that for every single new pistol added to their silly list, three others will be forced off the list. Everything in this screwy state is driven to get rid of firearms by making them as expensive and hard to get as possible. This only penalizes the honest folks going through legal channels to acquire them.....