NC introduces the "Second Amendment Protection Act"

[WCCPHD]

House Bill 134, introduced today. Eighteen sponsors, so far.

It has several sections.

PART I. ALLOW HANDGUNS ON RELIGIOUS PROPERTY WITH A SCHOOL

PART II. CONCEALED HANDGUN PERMIT LAPSE

PART III. CONCEALED CARRY FOR CERTAIN LAW ENFORCEMENT FACILITY 9EMPLOYEES

PART IV. CONCEALED CARRY FOR CERTAIN EMERGENCY MEDICAL 31SERVICES PERSONNEL



See link to bill.

https://www.ncleg.gov/Sessions/2021/...PDF/H134v0.pdf

[robertrwalsh]

There are places in the U S A where the Constitution means something. It appears that North Carolina is one of those places.

[tops]

I think the governor vetoed a bill like that last year. Still have the same governor. Larry

[SMSgt]

Originally Posted by robertrwalsh

There are places in the U S A where the Constitution means something. It appears that North Carolina is one of those places.

Try to buy a handgun without a permission slip.

[AJ]

Originally Posted by SMSgt

Try to buy a handgun without a permission slip.

Remember that clearly, was stationed there on and off for 17 years. Every time I wanted to look at handguns had to have the Sheriff's permission. Being stationed in Calif. for three years was a bit better as long as you could put up with the waiting period. Pa. was better. But was very glad to be back home in Florida!

[tlawler]

Originally Posted by AJ

Remember that clearly, was stationed there on and off for 17 years. Every time I wanted to look at handguns had to have the Sheriff's permission. Being stationed in Calif. for three years was a bit better as long as you could put up with the waiting period. Pa. was better. But was very glad to be back home in Florida!

Amen to that, Brother!

[Hair Trigger]

I think NC has fairly progressive handgun laws. Get a concealed carry permit, and you have no waiting period to buy a handgun, or limits on how many. The NC permit is recognized in all states that allow concealed carry, and the state is a "shall issue" state. Whether the bill gets passed or not, the mere introduction of it is a step in the right direction, given the overall national climate.

[ladder13]

Yeah, my state is better than yours.

[AppStFan]

We shall see, but at least it's a move in the right direction.

[dockmurgw]

Not enough to get off the draconian list, but its a start.

[Valmet]

We need some of that to drift up here to Virginia- the Old Dominion certainly isn’t what it used to be when it comes to the Second Amendment.

[Buick]

Is straight up Jim Crow designed to prevent whomever the Sheriff deems an undesirable from buying a handgun. And also to line the pockets of the county. For years, the hotshot bigtime sheriff of my county charged 20.00 per permit and would only issue one per request. Even though the cost MANDATED BY STATE LAW was set at 5.00 per.
The former attorney general, now Governor also deemed a C&R FFL ineligible to recieve a qualifying handgun shipped to the FFL's door without a county pistol purchase permit. How crooked is that? Makes me ashamed of my home state. Thank God a CHL negates these rquirements.

[tops]

I agree that the permit too purchase a pistol is a bummer but I've never heard of anyone being prosecuted if they had a pistol that had been bought without a permit.
One thing we don't have is a law against a loaded gun in a car. It's legal to have a loaded short or long gun in a vehicle as long as it's not concealed 24/7 every day of the year. Take it all the way around this State is pretty gun friendly. Larry

[SMSgt]

Originally Posted by tops

I agree that the permit too purchase a pistol is a bummer but I've never heard of anyone being prosecuted if they had a pistol that had been bought without a permit.
One thing we don't have is a law against a loaded gun in a car. It's legal to have a loaded short or long gun in a vehicle as long as it's not concealed 24/7 every day of the year. Take it all the way around this State is pretty gun friendly. Larry

Here in Florida we can conceal a loaded gun in a vehicle without a permit. Take that!

[steelslaver]

16 states now permit less concealed carry for any American citizen citizen without a criminal record and 2 more, Wyoming and N Dakota that allow its residents the same right. Does your state have citizens initiatives. We install a couple new initiatives every election cycle. Usually to tell the legislators no or allow the people to do something.

If I want to buy a gun it is none of the sheriffs business. If a Leo in Montana asked to look at the gun in my car I would be well within my rights to just say no. Unless there is something criminal going on in plain sight the interior of my car is off limits. Again it is none of his business if it is loaded or not. He has not more business looking to see if my gun is loaded than look in my wallet to see if I have a Trojan. I can not believe what some people allow your states to do.

[AJ]

Originally Posted by steelslaver

16 states now permit less concealed carry for any American citizen citizen without a criminal record and 2 more, Wyoming and N Dakota that allow its residents the same right. Does your state have citizens initiatives. We install a couple new initiatives every election cycle. Usually to tell the legislators no or allow the people to do something.

If I want to buy a gun it is none of the sheriffs business. If a Leo in Montana asked to look at the gun in my car I would be well within my rights to just say no. Unless there is something criminal going on in plain sight the interior of my car is off limits. Again it is none of his business if it is loaded or not. He has not more business looking to see if my gun is loaded than look in my wallet to see if I have a Trojan. I can not believe what some people allow your states to do.

Usually it is folks that moved into the state trying to do things "like we did that back home" that screws things up. My family moved to Florida when the Spanish still owned it, probably was pretty nice then ...rough but nice. Has been changing ever since. Sometimes not for te best. When people would tell my Mother "that is not the way we do things back home", she would tell them "then go back home, because this is the way we do it here". Guess more folks ought to do that.

[Tom Kent]

I left North Carolina in 1982 to take a job in Florida. After being here a short while I thought I had died and gone to heaven. I do not plan to return to the Old North State. Most of the things people complain about in NC are the political preferences given to elected officials like the county Sheriffs setting fees for handgun permits. This comes from the days when NC had a one party system.

[steelslaver]

I agree with the sediments expressed by AJ. We get the same kind of Nit Wits here. Move here for the "life style and/or freedom) then want to start making it just like home. Get a rope.

[tops]

Originally Posted by SMSgt

Here in Florida we can conceal a loaded gun in a vehicle without a permit. Take that!

What if I don’t have a concealed weapons license or permit?
In Florida you can have a concealed firearm in your vehicle without a permit as long as it is not readily accessible or if it is “securely encased.” Securely encased is defined by Florida Statute 790.001(17) to include a glove compartment, whether locked or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access. So long as it is securely encased, it is legal for you to carry the gun in your car, although not on your person. The other part of the law talks about “readily accessible for immediate use.” If it is close enough to you that it can be retrieved and used as easily and quickly as if carried on the person then it is readily accessible. That is defined by Florida Statute 790.001(16). The classic example of readily accessible is when the gun is under the seat you are sitting in.

Looks to me like a lot of restrictions on having a gun in your car. In NC it doesn't have to be "securely encased" and it can be "readily accessible" and it can be on your person. If the gun is out in open where it is easily seen it's legal. Other than a purchase permit NC is gun friendly. Larry

[ladder13]

Have you joined the OC states yet? I know, you could care less, right?
Legal in NC without permission.

[SMSgt]

Originally Posted by tops

What if I don’t have a concealed weapons license or permit?
In Florida you can have a concealed firearm in your vehicle without a permit as long as it is not readily accessible or if it is “securely encased.” Securely encased is defined by Florida Statute 790.001(17) to include a glove compartment, whether locked or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access. So long as it is securely encased, it is legal for you to carry the gun in your car, although not on your person. The other part of the law talks about “readily accessible for immediate use.” If it is close enough to you that it can be retrieved and used as easily and quickly as if carried on the person then it is readily accessible. That is defined by Florida Statute 790.001(16). The classic example of readily accessible is when the gun is under the seat you are sitting in.

Looks to me like a lot of restrictions on having a gun in your car. In NC it doesn't have to be "securely encased" and it can be "readily accessible" and it can be on your person. If the gun is out in open where it is easily seen it's legal. Other than a purchase permit NC is gun friendly. Larry

Nope. No permit required. I can have a concealed gun in a zipped case laying on the seat next to me. Or in a closed box, or rolled up paper bag, anything that has to be opened for access. Readily accessible means not required to gain access--not inside something closed that has to be opened.

"The classic example of readily accessible is when the gun is under the seat you are sitting in."

Being in something closed or a snapped holster negates the "readily accessible" aspect. By FL law, the snapped holster has to be "opened" for access to the gun.

"POSSESSION IN PRIVATE CONVEYANCE.—Notwithstanding subsection (2), it is lawful and is not a violation of s. 790.01 for a person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or other weapon for self-defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use. Nothing herein contained prohibits the carrying of a legal firearm other than a handgun anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use. Nothing herein contained shall be construed to authorize the carrying of a concealed firearm or other weapon on the person. This subsection shall be liberally construed in favor of the lawful use, ownership, and possession of firearms and other weapons, including lawful self-defense as provided in s. 776.012."

As for the touted OC, I grew up in NC and rarely saw anyone OC'ing, and that is still true for the most part. OC is not "illegal" in its entirety in FL, it is restricted to hunting, fishing, camping, and a few other select conditions.

[Baltimoreed11754]

You don’t need your NC county sheriffs permission to buy a handgun if you have a NC concealed carry, you got his permission to carry AND purchase when you did the permit application and passed the bg checks.

[fordson]

Originally Posted by tops

What if I don’t have a concealed weapons license or permit?
In Florida you can have a concealed firearm in your vehicle without a permit as long as it is not readily accessible or if it is “securely encased.” Securely encased is defined by Florida Statute 790.001(17) to include a glove compartment, whether locked or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access. So long as it is securely encased, it is legal for you to carry the gun in your car, although not on your person. The other part of the law talks about “readily accessible for immediate use.” If it is close enough to you that it can be retrieved and used as easily and quickly as if carried on the person then it is readily accessible. That is defined by Florida Statute 790.001(16). The classic example of readily accessible is when the gun is under the seat you are sitting in.

Looks to me like a lot of restrictions on having a gun in your car. In NC it doesn't have to be "securely encased" and it can be "readily accessible" and it can be on your person. If the gun is out in open where it is easily seen it's legal. Other than a purchase permit NC is gun friendly. Larry

Yep, you’re absolutely correct! It’s just terrible down here in FL. Please tell all your family, friends and neighbors thinking of coming here just how awful it is, how restricting the gun laws are, and to please, for their own good, stay away.

[Baltimoreed11754]

My best bud moved to Florida [from the sorry state of MD] a couple years ago. I told him that there were gators, sinkholes, anacondas, hurricanes and crotchety old people but he went anyway. Florida’s gun laws are wasted with him as he’s not a shooter or even a gun owner. He gave me the couple of guns that were his dads. When he visits me in NC I let him play with mine.

[first-model]

The pistol purchase permits are fraught with problems. The largest is that once a permit is issued, there's no mechanism for them to be recalled (like there is with a concealed handgun permit). In other words: a person could go get a handful of PPP permits, and then subsequently get convicted of a felony. But those permits would still be honored at a licensed dealer—and since the pistol purchase permit allows the dealer to bypass the instant NICS check, the purchase would go through. The transaction would be recorded on a 4473, but that would be little comfort to the people that the felon would almost certainly go on to victimize.

Scrapping the Pistol Purchase Permits and just having the dealers run the purchase through the NICS check would actually better serve public safety concerns. But those facts are of no concern to the Bloomberg kids and moms and think any law is a good law.

North Carolina's governor would almost certainly veto any legislation to eliminate the pistol purchase permit process entirely, but it should still be pushed forward as a legislative priority.

This is a part of North Carolina that I don't miss one bit.

Mike

[vt_shooter]

Originally Posted by Hair Trigger

The NC permit is recognized in all states that allow concealed carry ...

CT and MA allow concealed carry but do not honor any other state's permits.

[handejector]

Originally Posted by WCCPHD

House Bill 134, introduced today. Eighteen sponsors, so far.

It has several sections.

PART I. ALLOW HANDGUNS ON RELIGIOUS PROPERTY WITH A SCHOOL

PART II. CONCEALED HANDGUN PERMIT LAPSE

PART III. CONCEALED CARRY FOR CERTAIN LAW ENFORCEMENT FACILITY 9EMPLOYEES

PART IV. CONCEALED CARRY FOR CERTAIN EMERGENCY MEDICAL 31SERVICES PERSONNEL



See link to bill.

https://www.ncleg.gov/Sessions/2021/...PDF/H134v0.pdf

Okay, we know it is out there.

Contact your legislators and urge them to support it.

I'll close this now because it is drifting into off-topic discussion, and this 2A forum is not a general discussion forum.

Get back to us with how it does.