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Pelosi's AWB on hold for now
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they didn't have enough democrats on board for it to go through. back to the drawing board for them.
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It's back up, they made a deal with the black caucus over police funding.
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It's back up, they made a deal with the black caucus over police funding.
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I just got an e-mail blast from FPC or GOA about it.
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In every election year, the two major parties raise money using the legislative process.
One party will introduce some bill, and then send out fundraising letters to their registered voters explaining how they're fighting for this-or-that cause, and if you do your part to keep them in office, you'll win. The other party will send out fundraising letters to their voters citing the same legislation, and warning that the sky is about to fall if that bill is passed, so please send them money to fight against it. It's how the game is played...
The last time Congress passed an Assault Weapons Ban, the House changed hands in the next mid-term election, and neither party has forgotten that. This bill is all for show, I think, and it isn't going anywhere. JMO...
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Pelosi is holding it back until right after the next tragedy.
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If only Congress would put this much effort into addressing the real issues, we might actually see progress. Oh, if only …… One can dream………
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In every election year, the two major parties raise money using the legislative process.
One party will introduce some bill, and then send out fundraising letters to their registered voters explaining how they're fighting for this-or-that cause, and if you do your part to keep them in office, you'll win. The other party will send out fundraising letters to their voters citing the same legislation, and warning that the sky is about to fall if that bill is passed, so please send them money to fight against it. It's how the game is played...
The last time Congress passed an Assault Weapons Ban, the House changed hands in the next mid-term election, and neither party has forgotten that. This bill is all for show, I think, and it isn't going anywhere. JMO...
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It is also possible they all bought stocks in gun manufactures proceeding the introduction of the announcement of the bill
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It is also possible they all bought stocks in gun manufactures proceeding the introduction of the announcement of the bill
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Yeah, I saw that news story last night about the Covid vaccine and how so many of them profited off of the information they received...disgusting, isn't it?
The level of hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle is just sickening...it's one of the main reasons why I am an independent voter.
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News media is reporting a somewhat watered down version of AWB 22 passed the House today, 217-213.
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Bad things happen on weekends when people are not paying attention.
The good news, for now, is many of the anti Senators are sick and Senate rules compel them to be in attendance to vote.
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At least the version I read had a really chilling section where it banned transfers. Which means, while the current owners may legally keep them, when they pass, transfer of the firearm is forbidden. Didn't see anything about compensation for loss of said property.
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At least the version I read had a really chilling section where it banned transfers. Which means, while the current owners may legally keep them, when they pass, transfer of the firearm is forbidden. Didn't see anything about compensation for loss of said property.
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Agreed. I mentioned that in my prior post. It’s a tactic that creates the appearance of being “reasonable” and adds some additional protection from it being contested and or viewed as a “taking”. But it means the day it goes into effect, my affected weapons lose all of their cash value, and it means that within a generation all of the banned weapons would be destroyed.
There’s nothing reasonable about that.
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Agreed. I mentioned that in my prior post. It’s a tactic that creates the appearance of being “reasonable” and adds some additional protection from it being contested and or viewed as a “taking”. But it means the day it goes into effect, my affected weapons lose all of their cash value, and it means that within a generation all of the banned weapons would be destroyed.
There’s nothing reasonable about that.
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As a fireman, I have seen that the truly treasured items when people experience a massive loss of property are family photographs and grandpa's old shotgun/rifle/ pistol.
People are not going to easily give those up, they're just not.
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We used to drive around with rifles and shotguns in our back truck window, leave the doors unlocked, leave the windows down. We also walked miles and miles as children to go fish at the park then back after staying most of the day.
The meddling with our schools started all this. Teach your children and brainwash them. Take prayer out of school.
I want a state collector's license. Would you believe like NOW?
Guns will never be off the streets. It's the mentalities of some of these geniuses that needs to be removed. Bring back the death sentence.
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As a fireman, I have seen that the truly treasured items when people experience a massive loss of property are family photographs and grandpa's old shotgun/rifle/ pistol.
People are not going to easily give those up, they're just not.
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If it were to pass, it would become obvious very soon that people won’t give them up.
Dying parents would be passing them on to their children or friends and just not bothering to comply with the law. When it becomes obvious that is happening the anti gun crowd will use that as justification for registration.
But it won’t even take that long. Absent a registration requirement the proposed ban would just create an illicit market for existing banned military style semi auto rifles, and enforcement of the ban would be extremely difficult.
Based on 12 years writing regs inside the beltway and enforcing them, here’s how that extremely significant bit of regulatory creep would happen:
- If the law is passed it will be handed over to the ATF to write the regs needed to implement the law;
- The ATF will fully understand that registration is a necessary component for enforcement as it can’t be enforced unless they can attach banned weapons to their legally grandfathered owners;
- Based on that obvious fact they will determine that registration was envisioned by congress and was part of the original congressional intent of the law in order to make implementation possible and the provisions of the law enforceable;
- ATF will write the regs to include registration; and
- ignore the public comments claiming registration is an over reach as while ATF has to post NPRMs and respond to public comment they are under no obligation to modify the proposed regs based on public comment.
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Registration is as much of a prize to the anti gun crowd as banning assault rifles. Once it is required for assault rifles it’s just a small step to require it for other categories of firearms.
The logic will go like this:
“We require assault rifles to be registered, yet even before the most recent assault weapon ban they were involved in less than 1% of all gun crimes, and were only involved in 16% of mass shootings. *Semi-auto pistols* are a far larger threat. In keep with the intent of the law, they need to be registered as well.”
Then they’ll go after lever actions:
“Some pistol caliber lever actions hold more than ten rounds and can be fired almost as fast as semi auto rifles - and there are *millions* of them out there. In keeping with the intent of the law we need to register all lever action rifles.”
Then it will be revolvers:
“There’s a guy out there who can fire six rounds in a second with a revolver! They are as bad as semi auto pistols! We need to register them!”
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The later is very close to how the anti gun crowd thinks. An anti gun leaning person on Facebook explained to me that AR-15s fire 6 rounds in under a second, and said a guy did it. She was close to correct. Jerry Miculek did put 5 rounds on target in .96 of a second.
I had to correct her on the 5 versus 6 rounds part. I also explained it’s Jerry Miculek and that he holds the record for firing 8 rounds in under a second with a revolver. I suggested using him as the standard by which the average person can fire an AR-15 - or revolver, which was actually 60% faster - isn’t realistic. Yet it’s that kind of hyperbole that catches fire with the anti gun crowd.
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Broom-handle Mausers are the first non-detachable mag semiauto handgun that come to mind, The Webley-Fosbury is the second but there are a few others as well. However, the additive qualifier is of course the key to the issue.
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But the Mauser does not have the magazine in the grip :-(
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In every election year, the two major parties raise money using the legislative process.
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The last time Congress passed an Assault Weapons Ban, the House changed hands in the next mid-term election, and neither party has forgotten that. This bill is all for show, I think, and it isn't going anywhere. JMO...
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It was more than just a flip in the house.
I frequently point out to people who want gun control that passing the AWB of 1994 ended near continuous dominance in both the house and senate from 1931 to 1995.
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As a fireman, I have seen that the truly treasured items when people experience a massive loss of property are family photographs and grandpa's old shotgun/rifle/ pistol.
People are not going to easily give those up, they're just not.
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They will give them up when there is a fine and prison sentence for owning them. They have in other parts of the world. It won't be door to door pickup. You will be told a time and place to take them.
Most people don't own machine guns or sawed off shotguns.
Most people don't carry concealed weapons where or when it's illegal.
Most people are not going to do anything that will result in prison time and or a large fine. Larry
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The Democrats know its unconstitutional, they know it has a very small chance of passing, they know if it does pass the courts will strike it down. They don't care.
This is mostly about appearances. They need to look like they're trying to do something about crime even if they actually aren't. Its a dog and pony show to placate the masses and get them votes. Nothing more.
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The people who write these laws and pass them don't care about crime. They don't care about gun violence. They don't care about mental health, or schools not being fortified, or suicides' by gun, or domestic violence. They surely don't care about the thousands shot every year in these urban hellholes, despite what they tell the ignorant residents of those hellholes. They surely don't care about the many more lives saved by guns.
They don't care about anything other than their happy little bubbles they live in and power. The rest of the country suffered under lockdowns while the politicians ate steak and expansive ice cream. When the news of another mass shooting reaches their ears, the rejoice, because they don't care about the victims. They care about what it can bring them.
It is unbelievable to me that the majority of citizens don't see this. Politicians on both sides of the aisle want to stay in power. They will say and do whatever it takes to achieve that goal. We are nothing more than toilet paper to them. Valued when it's needed but then just flushed away.
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With all the discussion going on here, I hope everyone is contacting their Senators, regardless of their party. Can’t take a chance that this bill will pass in the Senate.
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With all the discussion going on here, I hope everyone is contacting their Senators, regardless of their party. Can’t take a chance that this bill will pass in the Senate.
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yup ... get on it folks
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what is crazy is that if you look at the numbers, MSRs are only used in about 25% of mass shootings, and if you look at total murders, maybe a thousand a year involve "assault rifles". A ban won't make even a shallow dent. But it brings in money, clicks and votes.
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You’re not helping. Modern semi auto sporting rifles are involved in just 16% of mass shootings, and year to year about 3% of all firearm related homicides involve a rifle of any kind. A fraction of those are semi autos. That’s roughly 250-350 rifles involved per year with some fraction of the, being semi auto.
http://https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls
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The last time Congress passed an Assault Weapons Ban, the House changed hands in the next mid-term election, and neither party has forgotten that...
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It's already been predicted that the Democrats will give up several seats in the House. They have nothing to lose by passing unpopular legislation.
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They lost Congress, and? They got it back and lost it again, got it back and will lose it again.
They erred by putting a sunset in the Bill. They won’t do that again.
It is not 1994 anymore.
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Pretty much everybody agrees this has no shot at passing the Senate. They’d need 60 votes. They’d have to have every democrat and at least 10 republicans vote yes. Unlikely.
But even it it doesn’t pass this time, our days are numbered. Every time one of these whack jobs seeking fame shoots up another school or mall, we’re one step closer to losing it all. My children will not enjoy firearms like I have.
And I’ve already written my senators. The last time I did that I got back a form response saying they respect the 2A, but “common sense” must prevail.
It’s a good thing I enjoy revolvers as much as I do semi auto’s.
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predicted doesnt mean anything. no one knows what will happen between now and november.
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I won't comment about politics but will complain about folks who would vote for an "Assault Weapons" ban, then run to the closest LGS to purchase theirs...
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It is all a ploy, much like asking a man if he still beats his wife. Those Senators who claim to be pro gun will be ostracized no matter which way they vote. If they vote in favor, the gun lobby will attack them and if they vote against it, the anti-gun lobby will do likewise. Both sides will lean heavily upon this all the way til November.
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With all the discussion going on here, I hope everyone is contacting their Senators, regardless of their party. Can’t take a chance that this bill will pass in the Senate.
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my partner and I both e-mail them EVERY DAY. All our senators and Congress people are anti, but they need to know that they represent EVERYONE, and that their votes determine our votes.
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