GUN "BUYBACK"

jframe · #1 05-22-2009, 01:39 PM

Saw a report just now of L.A.P.D. putting over 1700 weapons in a smelter after they "took them off the street" as part of a recent turn in program and probably old evidence guns too. God only knows how many Smith revolvers took that final leap to the great beyond. This country looks more and more like Australia every day. If this doesn't pertain to the Second Amendment, nothing does.

jag312 · #2 05-22-2009, 03:19 PM

The gun buy-back in Oakland in February, 2008 got about 1,000 guns. I talked to one of the people in Oakland afterwards. He told me that there was nothing good, most of it was junk. I sold 6 junk handguns in Oakland and the guys behind me in line sold 10 junk handguns. I would expect that the guns that Los Angeles got were also mostly junk. I wouldn't worry about valuable guns being melted.

Amici · #3 05-22-2009, 03:26 PM

Gun "buy-backs" are a fraud. The PD cannot "buy back" guns it never owned to begin with.

As for the type and quality of guns, go here:

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/u...cl=13589510&src=news

While the cop is getting all "omigod" about the "assault weapon" - almost certainly a garden variety AR-15 - it is clear from the video that virtually all the long arms are old hunting rifles and shotguns.

That is because "bangers" and other felons do not turn their guns in to these insipid feel-good programs. Widows and children of Fudds and veterans do.

These people could get real value for the firearms by consigning them to an FFL or having a friend sell them by posting a list at the local club. Instead, they give away the Garand and captured Luger Dad brought home from the war, or the Winchester 70 he hunted with, for a $25 Wally World card.

What a pathetic scam.

Gutpile Charlie · #4 05-22-2009, 04:08 PM

That tv spot is pure BS. It is just full of hype. For the most part, the "weapons" were garden variety, cheapo stuff.

I'm sure the little cutie with the hard hat was really getting off on that one.

We need to tell these people that this type of reporting just shows how absolutely stupid and off the mark they really are.

Filbird · #5 05-22-2009, 04:27 PM

What on earth was that 9mm the uniformed LEO in the video was holding? It looked like something out of a cheap sci-fi movie.

I agree that from what I could see, there were a lot of single-shot shotguns, simple .22 rifles, etc. But, who knows? Something nice might have been in the mix?

If someone has a gun in the closet that was left to them, or is still there after an older family member has died, and they don't know what it is and it gets them all scared, etc., I suppose it's not a bad idea to get rid of it. But thinking that a major blow has been struck against crime seems like a stretch.

fitz · #6 05-22-2009, 04:35 PM

How successful is this program? Lets see...the current population of LA is around 4,000,000....and they got 1700 guns...so thats about 0.000425 guns per person. And, considering the fact that most of the guns turned in were garbage, I'd say the program is a flop and a waste of tax payer dollars. But I'm sure it makes the liberals in LA feel so good about themselves.

Jeb Stonewall · #7 05-22-2009, 05:07 PM

People just getting rid of junk so they can up grade.
Good for the gun companies!
BTW- My city had a gun buy back $100 per gun,and showed pictures in the papper the next day.
In the picture were a few revolvers R G ,Charter and a old H&R and a BB gun!!!!
You know--big money guns.

Gun 4 Fun · #8 05-22-2009, 06:56 PM

I don't think any gun should be turned in or destroyed, without proof that the person turning it in has the right legally to do so.

These buy back programs are an incentive for young punks to steal legally owned guns from neighbors, and even their own family members, just to score a quick buck.

jag312 · #9 05-22-2009, 08:34 PM

As I understand, Oakland PD ran the serial numbers of the guns that they got to see if any were reported stolen.

Oakland PD set out some really nice guns before their buy-back started on a table for the news media to photograph as examples of the guns that they got. It was BS.

Then they issued a press release afterwards about people driving in with their cars' trunks filled with "assault weapons". Pure BS.

Crazy K38 · #10 05-22-2009, 10:23 PM

fillbird that was an intratec tec 9 designed by a former navy seal and VERY hard to find in the original model

BarbC · #11 05-23-2009, 06:14 AM

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will end up plowing for those who did not." -Anonymous

LoboGunLeather · #12 05-23-2009, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BarbC:
"Those who beat their swords into plowshares will end up plowing for those who did not." -Anonymous

BarbC: the quote is from Mr. Thomas Jefferson.

LoboGunLeather · #13 05-23-2009, 06:37 AM

I read in an NRA publication about a gun "buy back" program in New York a few years ago. Started out at (I think) $50 per gun turned in, but didn't get very many. So they upped the ante to about $100 per, and still had very limited success. When it got up to $200 per, they started getting quite a few; but the majority were from cops, probation officers, etc, selling off the old stuff they had accumulated through the years for more than they could on the open market.

Interesting article.

My biggest problem with most of these programs is that the authorities don't check the turned in weapons against stolen property reports. So, the thief and/or the fence can turn a profit without risk, and the rightful owner has no chance to recover his property. This strikes me as a dereliction of duty on the part of those administering such programs.

SmithEC · #14 05-23-2009, 07:01 AM

That news report is pure sensationalism from the word go.

I think you're not supposed to really listen to what's being said. You're supposed to imagine that 1700 guns = 20 tons = SWAT folks guarding some huge convoy. Hell, if I stack 'em just right, I might be able to put 1700 rifles in the bed of my Tundra.

The news broadcasts in that area can be exciting enough without this sort of nonsense. I happened to be in that area when the Bank of America robbery went down. Also happened to be there to see some guy, in a live news broadcast, shot with one of them bean-bags out of a shotgun. That was good stuff right there.

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Bekeart · #15 05-23-2009, 07:07 AM

I am waiting for a Buy-Back near me. My local pusher has fifteen, at last count, pieces of junk that I will purchase cheap and sell for quick profit.

Bekeart

Filbird · #16 05-23-2009, 07:08 AM

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Originally posted by Crazy K38:
fillbird that was an intratec tec 9 designed by a former navy seal and VERY hard to find in the original model

I must have seen the phrase "Tec 9" a thousand times in various books and articles, but I'm embarrassed to admit that I've never actually seen one...

walnutred · #17 05-23-2009, 12:37 PM

About 10 years ago a local grocery chain had a buy back where they they gave you $75 for every firearm. I turned in around half a dozen old top break revolvers I'd accumulated over the years and never got around to fixing.

It was a grocery voucher, not cash, but as I probably had less that $15 each in those revolvers I was happy to turn them in. At the time even in top working condition they were only $50 guns to begin with.

Crazy K38 · #18 05-23-2009, 02:16 PM

well filbird they are good spray and prey guns but as far as practicality goes forget it, poor balance uncontrollable in rapid fire and accuracy is wanting, look good though, the original was full auto

David LaPell · #19 05-24-2009, 04:32 AM

I remember seeing a gun buyback campaign out of the Albany, NY area after some gang banger shot a 10 year old girl last year. It was in the neighboring city of Schenectady. Only one person turned any guns in, it was some little old lady that was getting rid of all of her husband's guns. They had a nice closeup on TV, of a Winchester 71! I bet she got almost nothing for that beauty. Sometimes nice stuff does get turned in.

fitz · #20 05-24-2009, 04:41 PM

One last thought. In the State of New Hampshire, gun buyback programs are illegal for state and local government agencies, such as police dept.'s. It ought to be illegal in every state.

jag312 · #21 05-27-2009, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by fitz:
One last thought. In the State of New Hampshire, gun buyback programs are illegal for state and local government agencies, such as police dept.'s. It ought to be illegal in every state.

We will have to agree to disagree. The way I see it, I want the anti-gunners to pay me ridiculous amounts of money for guns that are little better than scrap metal. Then I can take their money and buy a really nice gun for myself. Then I want to send them pictures of my nice new gun that I bought with their money, just to piss them off.

The gun I bought with Oakland's money even has ivory grips. How is that for being doubley politically incorrect? The only way to make them more angry would have been to go to the San Francisco Zoo, shoot an elephant, hack off an ivory tusk with a chain saw to make the ivory grips, then take the new gun and start plinking at California condors with lead bullets.

ImprovedModel56Fan · #22 05-27-2009, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jag312:
The gun I bought with Oakland's money even has ivory grips. How is that for being doubley politically incorrect? The only way to make them more angry would have been to go to the San Francisco Zoo, shoot an elephant, hack off an ivory tusk with a chain saw to make the ivory grips, then take the new gun and start plinking at California condors with lead bullets.

Why does this strike me as a great opportunity for some kind of Eagle Scout project?

nicky4968 · #23 05-28-2009, 01:50 PM

Arsenic-hardened lead bullets.

oldRoger · #24 05-31-2009, 06:58 PM

40,000lbs /1700 guns = 23.5 lbs average per gun. Does that strike you as a bit odd? Was there a 105mm howitzer in the mix somewhere to boost the average?
If I were to estimate the weight of that mix I would put it more like 8# average or say 13,000 pounds tops.

Sorry force of habit.

GatorFarmer · #25 05-31-2009, 10:52 PM

George Kelgren of Kel Tec fame (the John Moses Browning of cheaper handguns) designed the Tec 9, or at least did most of the work. He's from Sweden and was never a Navy Seal. Tec 9s are not particularly rare, nor all that desired save some of the early open bolt guns.

Anyway, I wish that I was near a gun buyback program. I'd get some duct tape, mouse traps and water pipe and bring in a boxload of "pistols".