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Old 07-17-2011, 07:05 PM
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2-CLIP ADAPTERS NOW AVAILABLE

I now have 2-CLIP BK Grip Adapters for the S&W J, K, L and N frame revolvers, as well as for certain Colt double action revolvers. These have a second set of copper tabs which provide additional stability when the adapter is mounted on the gun.

Any color you want as long as itís black or ivory.

Price per adapter is $25 (for Missouri customers itís, $27.25) plus whatever the current rate is for a Priority Mail Small Flat Rate Box.

ORDERING: The only way to order is through the web site, BK Grips | 2-Clip Grip Adapters for Revolvers It shows availability, and you can check out with PayPal (only - no more mailed payments.)

Ordering by mail is no longer supported.

MULTIPLE ADAPTERS:

If you want more than one there is only one shipping charge.

Thanks for your interest.

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There was a long thread on my development of these adapters at BK Grip Adapters . You can take a look at that for background and some comments on the prototypes. In addition, please read the following stuff.

FITTING IN GENERAL: Remember that these devices are designed to be used with standard S&W service or Magna grips, which leave the front strap exposed. They do NOT work with grips that fill in or cover any of the metal behind the trigger guard or on the front of the grip frame.

FITTING FOR J FRAMES: There are reports of poor fitting on an M&P340 Scandium frame model. Until we can resolve whether this was an undersize sample or a slightly different frame size on that model gun, itís probably best not to order one of these adapters to use on a 340. You can check this thread for photos of the fit on various J frame guns: BK Grip Adapters

FITTING FOR K, L and N FRAMES: The larger adapter was made for square butt K frames. The prototypers found that it also fit round butt K frames, and both square and round butt N frames. L frame guns use K frame grips, so they should be taken care of as well. (X frame shooters - well, I assume you're not using Magna grips, so these are not for you.) You can check this thread for photos of the fit on various K and N frame guns: BK Grip Adapters - Square Butt K Frame prototypers wanted

FITTING FOR COLT REVOLVERS: Adapters for D ("small") frame Colt revolvers are checked for fit on a long-grip-frame Detective Special, but the clips are spaced to fit properly on the later, shorter grip frame models as well. Customers have found that they fit on certain medium and large frame Colt models as well, and there are details under the Fitting tab on the web site.

FITTING OTHER MODELS: One tester reported that the K frame adapter (I think it was) fits at least OK on an old H&R 38 Hammerless model. Who knew? Other users have reported that the J adapters work fine on Charter 38 and 44 revolvers, although some find the "tail" of the adapter is a bit long, something easily remedied with a file or sharp knife. I have hints that the J adapters also work on the old S&W Safety Hammerless (lemon squeezer) guns, but have not seen a photo to confirm. Still other users have found that certain adapters can work with Ruger revolvers, and there are details under the Fitting tab on the web site.

COSMETICS: These molds make nice adapters, but there can be an occasional problem with tiny bubbles at a few points on the edges or slightly rougher surfaces in a few spots. These are cosmetic flaws only. Basically, anything that you can feel when you're gripping the gun normally with the adapter attached will be smooth as can be, but if you look closely you may be able to see and feel cosmetic flaws on edges that you don't ever touch in regular use. Sometimes there is a large bubble/gap along the top curve of the adapter as it comes out of the mold, which I remove by filing down the "ears" on either side of the top curve a bit. This does not affect the fit of the adapter to the frame, as it indexes on the inner groove of the top curve and the two clips, but if you hold two adapters up together you may be able to see that one seems larger than the other. Again, a purely cosmetic difference with no effect on utility.

IRREGULARS: Occasionally an adapter comes out of the mold with all the correct dimensions but with some kind of blemish. Early on there were small swirls of a different color - the picture of an irregular on the web site shows one of these. (Nobody has been able to explain how or why this happened, but it did.) Sometimes there are lines or matte spots on the surface that you can see when the angle of the light is right but can't really feel in normal use - I think these may result from an accumulation of release agent on the mold surfaces, but cannot prove it. (The materials I use are extremely fine grained - if I left a fingerprint on the master when I make a mold, every adapter that comes out of that mold would show the fingerprint.) In any event, these are adapters that are perfectly functional, but which I don't want to represent as "normal," so I sell 'em as "irregular" for $5 off.

I'm offering these adapters as utilitarian devices for folks who want to improve the grip on a working gun. Please order and use one in that spirit.

I don't say this to turn you off. Just to let you know that these things aren't cosmetically perfect. They're the same quality that the prototype testers have reported on the S&W Revolver forum. For example, if you look at the pix that Maximumbob54 posted on page 4 of the BK Grip Adapters thread, you can see some tiny irregularities at the top curve of the left side of the adapter. Those are the kind of cosmetic challenges I just can't always lick with my current process, but which have absolutely no effect on the utility of these things. (If it helps, think of them as evidence that each adapter is individually made by hand - yours will be unique.)


PACKAGING:
There is no ďpackagingĒ to speak of. These are mailed in a Priority Mail flat rate box. The adapter is in a zipper sandwich bag wrapped in a piece of rolled copy paper to keep things from rattling around too badly in the box. You can use the paper to start a barbecue fire, and reuse the sandwich bag for some non-food application. (So if anybody offers one of these things on ebay as NIB, they're jerking your chain.)

CAPACITY: Production capacity is quite limited - I can finish at most 24 adapters in a day, and that's a very long day. I have not been able to find any cost-effective process for "factory" production. So you may find that one or more items is out of stock at any given time - that has become more common as demand has increased. The web site won't display an item that's not available, so if you're looking for a J, K or D size adapter in black or ivory and don't see what you're looking for, please check back later - I do make an effort to keep all 6 versions in stock, and web site inventory is updated within minutes of finishing a new batch.

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Old 07-23-2011, 07:17 PM
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The j-frame adapter works just fine on the old H&R. Frame width
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Old 08-05-2011, 12:04 AM
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I bought an early BK for a J-frame and have used it on three different snubbies. I have shot numerous rounds with it and it shows no signs of wear or weakening. The fit and finish was as good as the Tyler T-Grip. I think you will find that they are not the same plastic used in the old Pachmayr or Smith & Wesson adaptors. The material is more like the polymer that is used in modern handguns. I'm no chemist, but after using the BK grip, I favor them.
For the chemists out there, the specification given for the 2-part urethane I use for these adapters is a Durometer (hardness) of 72 on the D scale, and a tensile strength of 3,200 psi. I'm NOT a chemist, but I've seen 72D described as "bowling ball hard".

Once cured these things are truly hard - if I wait more than about 20 minutes after they come out of the mold to try to carve off the sprue and parting line flash, they're almost too hard to cut with a knife, and I switch to a spiral mill in a Foredom tool to grind away what needs to go.
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Old 08-11-2011, 03:55 PM
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2-CLIP ADAPTERS NOW AVAILABLE

I've revised the classified ad to show that the 2-clip adapters are now available, in both J and K frame sizes. Price has been raised to $25 to reflect improvement in the state of the art. (I've waited years to be able to use that phrase.)

Here's a picture of a 2-clip J frame adapter:



So if you've been waiting for a better adapter, wait no longer.

Thanks for your continuing support.

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Old 06-11-2012, 09:33 PM
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Well, it has been a year since I started making BK grip adapters, and what a year it has been. While I'll never make enough out of this business to retire in luxury, the experience of dealing with many of you as customers has just been stellar. What a great bunch of people you are. I especially appreciate the help many of you gave at the start, testing and commenting on the original products, and for the continuing support some of you give to the product in various threads when the opportunity arises. I know I have gotten some customers from those favorable remarks.

Now I'd like to ask for some help again. As some of you know, I have not been able to produce (to my satisfaction) a "silver" adapter, which some would prefer for their stainless and nickel guns. My efforts with various paints have all failed - daily wear and regular shooting wears the paint off the high points in a month or two. (I carry my J frame daily, IWB. When I go shooting I'll put at least a hundred rounds through it at a session, and I try to get to the range at least twice a month. So I don't just shoot 5 and then move on to other guns. This is the kind of usage that I want a painted finish to be able to stand up to.)

Now I've done some more painting, but it will take me (literally) years to check out each of the combinations I've come up with, if I try to test 'em all myself. So I would appreciate it if some of you can help with the testing.

Specifically, I have 12 adapters (half J and half K) painted with different types of stainless/silver paint. I've attached a picture of 'em drying last week. I also have 4 adapters (2 J and 2 K) painted in gloss black (I can imagine some of you might like a glossy black for some of your guns.) Some of these adapters are cast in gray resin, some in the black my customers are used to. Some are primed, some are not. Some of the painted surfaces feel a little "gritty," while others are pretty smooth. This may be a characteristic of the paint or just my spraying technique (all paints came from spray cans.)

What I am looking for are people (1) who carry their revolvers every day, preferably inside the waistband where heat and humidity will be higher, AND (2) who do (or who will, for the test) shoot those revolvers regularly during the month, preferably carrying them to the range in the regular carry rig, so they get shot in the condition they're carried.

If you'll agree to put the adapter on and carry and shoot the gun for a while, I'll sell you an adapter for $10 plus the usual $5.15 postage. Tell me silver or black, but my choice of which one of that color you actually get. You'll agree to let me know how it holds up over time, preferably with a picture or two if it starts to fail. (The adapters are numbered, so I'll be able to tell what combination you're reporting on.) You can post the results to this thread if you like, so everyone can see what (if anything) is working. The forum rules don't allow the posting of feedback here, so please contact me by PM or, preferably, by email to bkgrips@gmail.com.

I must be honest and say that, given the universal failure of paint to adhere to these things so far, I can't hold out a lot of hope that any one of these adapters will stand up to regular usage. If yours fails, well you can wipe the paint off with paint thinner or lacquer thinner and have a "regular" adapter for your efforts. (Of course it may be gray, and/or it may have some surface imperfections, but it will be perfectly functional.) Or you can try your own surface coating - more than one person has suggested the rubber stuff you dip tool handles in, for example.

If you're interested in helping to test one out, drop me an email at bkgrips@gmail.com and let me know which size and color you would like. I'll let you know if what you want is available, and the PayPal account or mailing address to use if you want to proceed.

Thanks again for all your past support, and thanks in advance for those of you who would like to help with this testing.

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Old 07-23-2012, 09:46 PM
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None of the silver painted adapters held up well enough in actual use for me to offer silver as an available color.

Sorry about that, and thanks to all who tried one of the experimental models and gave feedback. I'll just stick to the solid colors from now on.

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Old 11-08-2012, 07:24 PM
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I tried an experiment today, which turned out badly. I put the molds in a vacuum pot while they cured, thinking it might help suck out the last of the tiny bubbles that occasionally mess up the edges of a particular adapter. Well, it sucked out bubbles, all right, but left massive voids which did NOT refill as the resin set up.

So those adapters got cut up (I'm cheap - the copper clips were worth saving) but I thought some of you might like to see how the clips are molded into the adapters. (Please ignore the skewed look as the vacuum kept the resin from completely filling the mold, and ignore the bubbles - those aren't there in adapters I let out the door.) I believe I have said before that the bottom of the copper clip has a hole in the middle of it, so the resin flows completely through it and "connects" the resin above and below the clip base. Once the resin sets up, that clip just ain't coming out without some major surgery.

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Sorry I kinda just skimmed the thread, but have you tried cold casting with aluminum powder?
I am generally aware that there is such a process. My materials supplier has epoxies and aluminum powder to do cold metallic casting, but it requires dedicating a mold to the process and the cure time is 24 hours. In addition, their overview of the process has as its first step "brush a 0.25 inch coating on the inside of this mold . . . " Since my adapters are 0.25" thick only where the "upper" clip is molded, and thinner to much-thinner everywhere else, I have not given serious thought to trying it.

I am exploring small injection molding systems, which would offer a much wider array of colors than I can make with my current materials and dyes, and much faster production than my current pour-two-at-a-time system, but so far I have not found an equipment setup that makes economic sense. (To use "regular' injection molding companies, the cost of the dies is prohibitive for the volume of adapters I sell.)

Thanks for the thought, though.
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Still here despite working full time for a CPA firm during tax season. This means I normally can't ship the same day an order comes in (which I have done in the past, if the order arrives early ehough in the day) but so far I've always been able to get things out the next business day.

Allow me to ask a production question for any of you who may be engineering types or otherwise have experience molding small parts with metal inserts. If you have suggestions, please do NOT respond on this forum, but send an email to kip@bkgrips.com.

I have been looking for a more "industrial" method of making these adapters than the one-at-a-time pouring method I have been using from the start. I would also like to make 'em in a way that insures each adapter is identical to the last, so that I would not have to check the fit on each one against the proper gun.

I have explored 3-D printing, but am told by several providers that it's not feasible to "print" the copper clips into a product. I also gather that to get the surface smoothness of my existing product would take a relatively high end printer, and so would be VERY expensive per part. (I get the sense that, in general, 3-D printing is best used as a prototyping tool, not an ongoing production process, although I've seen rumors/reports that GE supposedly 3-D prints jet engine turbine blades. Must be one helluva printer.)

I have also explored injection molding, but the local molding shop I visited kept a sample adapter for a couple of months and came back with a "we can't figure out how we'd do it" email. I sent a follow up email asking a couple of detailed questions, and proposed a solution to what I thought might be one problem, but haven't had a reply. This may just mean they're not interested in a small-lot job that would be more trouble than they want to bother with. But if it does indeed mean there isn't a feasible way to make a mold that will incorporate the copper clips into a part with the shape of my adapter, I'd like to know it so I can stop thinking about it. I think the molded-in design I use is one of the advantages my adapters have over those with staked-on clips, and I would want to retain that in any alternative production process.

So - if any of you with knowledge or experience in the molding business have any thoughts along these lines that you'd be willing to share, I'd appreciate hearing from you. Again, NOT on this segment of the forum - there aren't supposed to be any general discussions carried on here - but by email to kip@bkgrips.com

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

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Sometimes you just don't want to throw things away. Over the years I've pitched any number of grip adapters that came out of the molds with one flaw or another. But I recently had a few "irregulars" that were just fine except for one or more gray/white swirls in the coloring. My material supplier guessed it had to do with inadequate mixing of the black dye into the raw materials, but couldn't be sure.

In any event, I've decided to let these go at a $5 discount for anyone who would like something a little different, or just wants to save a few bucks. Functionally identical to the "regular" black models, but with some white "blemishes" in the coloring or some edge flaw - the surfaces you touch in regular use are all normal.

The one pictured on the web site is the "worst" in terms of extent of swirling. More likely it will have only a tiny speck or an edge flaw that you might not even notice. My choice which one gets sent in any particular order, and when they're gone I don't make any more (on purpose.)

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I have made molds and have cast both black and ivory grip adapters for Colt Detective Special revolvers. Presumably these will fit other "D" frame models, but I only have a Detective Special, and so can only speak first-hand to that fit.

My test gun is an older "long grip frame" model, on which these adapters fit just fine. Someone else has checked and confirmed that the second clip clears the grips on the newer, "short grip frame" models. So this adapter should be good on all of the Colt "D" frames.

Same materials, same price, same shipping, same service as the BK Grips adapters that I've made for (almost) 5 years for S&W revolvers. So you know what you're getting.

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A Colt customer recently advised that the D Frame adapters also fit properly on Colt E frames. His particular gun was an Officer's Model, but I gather there were many other models made on this frame over the years.

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For any of you with a Colt New Service, a customer has discovered that the D adapter fits the Colt large New Service frame just fine.

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Default Discontinuing payments by check or money order

After spending 15 minutes today standing in line to get INTO my Post Office to check my box for a check I was expecting - they still allow only 6 people inside at once - I have decided it's no longer worth the hassle to take payments by check or money order that are mailed in. So as of now, the web site will only accept payments by PayPal for BK grip adapters.

I know this will be an inconvenience for a few of you, and I'm sorry about that. But I've felt for a long time that the percentage of orders that come in by mail is so small that I really don't want to spend the time to deal with it. Today was just the final straw.

As for inventory, I will try to get some black D adapters made in the next day or two. Both of the S&W sizes sell out almost as fast as I can make them, and sales of the Colt size are so much smaller that those adapters frequently get left behind when I have to make new ones. (I can only make so many a day.)

Thanks for your patience. And for your wonderful demand for these little things. Even when I complain about the burden of making so many, I really do appreciate it. (And I'm in discussions with an injection molding company to switch at least some production to an industrial process, to take that load off of my increasingly arthritic fingers. If I can make it work, black S&W adapters should never be out of stock again.)
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Default No More Sales Tax for MO Residens

It appears that I may qualify for exemption from collecting and remitting sales tax on sales to Missouri residents (actually, on sales shipped to Missouri addresses.)

Two of the qualifications for the exemption are not clearly defined in the law (I say as a retired tax lawyer.) And after both writing and calling I could not find anybody in the Missouri Department of Revenue who works with sales taxes who would offer any binding clarification of the requirements. But nobody said they thought I didn't qualify, so I'm taking the position that I do and will no longer collect taxes on Missouri sales. Unless and until the state tells me otherwise.
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Default Please include your apartment number

Recently added to Shipping tab on web site:

Addressing Note: If you live in an apartment building, please be sure your apartment number is included in your PayPal shipping address. The mailing label software will accept the street address of an apartment building as valid and let the label be printed. But there have been several recent instances where the local delivery post office determined that a package without an apartment number was undeliverable and sent it back to me.

I refund the price of an adapter that comes back, but not the shipping. So in order to avoid having to place a second order and pay a second shipping cost, please make sure that any shipping address you provide through PayPal includes an apartment number, if appropriate.
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Default NO holiday postage surcharge this year

In a rare, noninflationary, announcement last week, the Post Office said that they would not be raising the postage rates during this year's holiday season, like they have done for the last several years. One can assume they will be raised in late January 2024, as has become an annual tradition, but at least they will hold rates steady until then.
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Default Thanksgiving 2023 Shutdown Dates

NO SHIPPING NOV 18 THRU NOV 28, 2023. TAKING TIME AROUND THANKSGIVING FOR FAMILY FROM OUT OF TOWN. (As we do every year.)†

GO AHEAD AND PLACE ORDERS DURING THAT TIME IF YOU WANT, BUT BE AWARE THAT SHIPPING WONíT RESUME BEFORE NOV 29.


NORMAL SHIPPING FOR ORDERS PLACED UNTIL ABOUT 9-10 PM ON NOV 17 (when I will process all received orders for shipment the next day, and then shut down the shipping computer for the duration. This is also the only computer that handles email for kip@bkgrips.com, so while emails will be received, there will be no replies until after shipping resumes.)

I will do my best to build up some inventory before the shutdown, so there will be product on hand to order, but the increasing demand and creeping arthritis in my hands make it harder and harder to keep up.

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Note added comment in shutdown notice about emails.

Also, though unstated in that notice, inventory will continue to function normally. If you can see it on the web site ordering page, it's available. Anything ordered and paid for is removed from inventory, so it can't be ordered by anyone else.
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Default Postage Rate Increase

For some reason, ShipStation, the third party that took over shipping for PayPal a couple of years ago, has raised the rate charged for Small Flat Rate boxes from the $8.10 that it has been since the general postage rate increase last January, to $8.54 or $8.55. The stated rate that I see when I get to the Purchase screen during the mailing label process is $8.55, but I am only being charged $8.54, so that's what I'm applying to orders going forward.

This is actually the "normal" Commercial rate that I see listed in the USPS web site when I look. The $8.10 that I have been charging is some sort of super discounted rate - I don't know how ShipStation got it, but as long as that was all I was being charged, that's all I have asked customers to pay.

This rate will go up again in late January 2024, when all postal rates get adjusted. But until then, I'm only passing along what I'm paying for the label.
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