Smith & Wesson Forum

Advertise With Us Search
Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > Ammunition-Gunsmithing > Ammo

Notices

Ammo All Ammo Discussions Go Here


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-18-2009, 08:03 PM
Smith357's Avatar
Smith357 Smith357 is offline
Moderator
New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition  
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 4,552
Likes: 931
Liked 3,590 Times in 816 Posts
Default New Fusion Ammunition

A friend of mine went to get some .357 ammo the other day and was sold this new Fusion ammo, he says the salesman claimed it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Has anyone ever heard of this stuff before? It's made by Federal and has a lot of French writing on the box. one thing that stood out was the paragraph of marketing bologna on one side of the box. I went to the website and its very vague on facts and real internal ballistic data.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_4498.jpg (113.0 KB, 166 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_4495.jpg (193.5 KB, 160 views)
__________________
Regards,
Guy-Harold Smith II

Last edited by Smith357; 10-18-2009 at 08:07 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-18-2009, 08:08 PM
CAJUNLAWYER's Avatar
CAJUNLAWYER CAJUNLAWYER is offline
Member
New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition  
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: On da Bayou Teche
Posts: 18,463
Likes: 18,569
Liked 58,906 Times in 9,674 Posts
Default

It radiates energy, empowers the predator and unleashes unthinkable performance-what more information do you need???
__________________
Forum consigliere
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-18-2009, 08:20 PM
OKFC05 OKFC05 is offline
Member
New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition  
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 8,161
Likes: 3,620
Liked 5,209 Times in 2,174 Posts
Default

The basic technology is that the jacket is "fused" to the core to keep the bullet from spitting the core out of the jacket at close range hits, while still expanding at longer range. Hornady makes hunting rifle bullets with this technology (Interbond), and I like them for deer hunting.

I've never noticed that my pistol loads have any particular problem with spitting the cores out of the jacketed bullets, so I'm not quite sure why I would need that technology in a pistol bullet.

You pays your money and makes your choices.........
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-18-2009, 09:58 PM
Smith357's Avatar
Smith357 Smith357 is offline
Moderator
New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition  
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Columbus Ohio
Posts: 4,552
Likes: 931
Liked 3,590 Times in 816 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CAJUNLAWYER View Post
It radiates energy, empowers the predator and unleashes unthinkable performance-what more information do you need???
Since this was sold as defensive ammo by the salesman I'm not so sure "empowering the predator" is something you want defensive ammo to do for you. It's always my understanding you want to disable the predator quickly.
__________________
Regards,
Guy-Harold Smith II

Last edited by Smith357; 10-18-2009 at 10:01 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-18-2009, 10:16 PM
flop-shank flop-shank is offline
US Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Rust Belt Buckle/Mich
Posts: 2,382
Likes: 0
Liked 41 Times in 32 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CAJUNLAWYER View Post
It radiates energy, empowers the predator and unleashes unthinkable performance-what more information do you need???
Do they put viagara in the stuff or something?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-19-2009, 05:26 AM
elcruisr elcruisr is offline
US Veteran
New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition  
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Central FL
Posts: 182
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

After reading that package I'd say someone needs to get the marketing dept back in it's cage.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-19-2009, 05:29 AM
Cocked & Locked's Avatar
Cocked & Locked Cocked & Locked is offline
Member
New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition  
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Silver Hill, NC
Posts: 2,071
Likes: 4,551
Liked 4,329 Times in 825 Posts
Default

Reads like the Herter's of old did the marketing
__________________
C & L
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-19-2009, 11:30 AM
Dogguy Dogguy is offline
Member
New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition  
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 170
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times in 7 Posts
Default

The website for Fusion indicates this is hunting ammunition, not self-defense.

"...he says the salesman claimed it was the greatest thing since sliced bread."

Salesmen always claim that.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-19-2009, 11:42 AM
ARMinSC's Avatar
ARMinSC ARMinSC is offline
Member
New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition  
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Aiken,SC
Posts: 372
Likes: 0
Liked 32 Times in 4 Posts
Default the greatest thing since sliced bread?

sliced bread is pretty fricken awesome. I've used Fusion in .270 140gr on paper and whitetails with good results.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-19-2009, 02:07 PM
c.marsh c.marsh is offline
Member
New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition  
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: houston,texas
Posts: 151
Likes: 2
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Question fused to the core

i believe that the design is for no jacket seperation..
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-19-2009, 04:56 PM
Spotteddog Spotteddog is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Left Coast
Posts: 3,952
Likes: 0
Liked 30 Times in 24 Posts
Default

I sure wish I could recall Erichs brilliantly constructed litany of magic bullet descriptions!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-20-2009, 10:19 AM
acmf74 acmf74 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Long Island, New York
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 1 Post
Default

they do make some good rifle rounds...
__________________
ACF
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-20-2009, 12:39 PM
K1500 K1500 is offline
Member
New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition  
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: On the western frontier
Posts: 386
Likes: 0
Liked 73 Times in 46 Posts
Default

I believe Speer Gold Dot is also a bonded design used for SD and has been on the market for years now. This looks like nothing new, unless they are priced less than the competition.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-20-2009, 01:29 PM
44forever 44forever is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 379
Likes: 0
Liked 13 Times in 10 Posts
Angry I shot a whitetail with one in .30-06

150 grain. The jacket separated from the lead and neither part exited. It did kill the deer but I was very unimpressed with the performance and won't use it in the future.
__________________
Big bang, much smash'em.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-20-2009, 02:59 PM
ARMinSC's Avatar
ARMinSC ARMinSC is offline
Member
New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition  
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Aiken,SC
Posts: 372
Likes: 0
Liked 32 Times in 4 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 44forever View Post
150 grain. The jacket separated from the lead and neither part exited. It did kill the deer but I was very unimpressed with the performance and won't use it in the future.
without jacking this tread or starting a debate, just my 2 cents, I don't want a bullet to exit. I want it to use all it's energy in the target.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 10-20-2009, 05:03 PM
44forever 44forever is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 379
Likes: 0
Liked 13 Times in 10 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ARMinSC View Post
without jacking this tread or starting a debate, just my 2 cents, I don't want a bullet to exit. I want it to use all it's energy in the target.
Matter of preference but I don't want it to come apart in either case. And staying together is the main selling point here.
__________________
Big bang, much smash'em.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 10-20-2009, 07:15 PM
Spicoli's Avatar
Spicoli Spicoli is offline
Member
New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition  
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Thee Murder Mitten
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by flop-shank View Post
Do they put viagara in the stuff or something?
If lasts over 4 hours consult a physician or a gunsmith.
__________________
Failure is not my problem.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 10-20-2009, 10:21 PM
flop-shank flop-shank is offline
US Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Rust Belt Buckle/Mich
Posts: 2,382
Likes: 0
Liked 41 Times in 32 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
If lasts over 4 hours consult a physician or a gunsmith.
Good advice and, of course, don't consult a spectacled mustacio.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 10-20-2009, 11:54 PM
reerc's Avatar
reerc reerc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the middle of Utah
Posts: 745
Likes: 54
Liked 26 Times in 18 Posts
Default

"It radiates energy, empowers the predator and unleashes unthinkable performance..." = useless marketing hyperbole.

Having poked fun at their marketing *******, I do like 'purt near every kind of Federal ammo I've used, and wouldn't hesitate to give this a whirl as well.

__________________
Don't need no stinkin' sigline
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 10-21-2009, 09:54 AM
n4zov's Avatar
n4zov n4zov is offline
US Veteran
New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition  
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: S.E. USA
Posts: 1,942
Likes: 0
Liked 63 Times in 37 Posts
Default

The Fusion website is about as weird as the hype on their box!

Fusion Ammo - Fusion Ammo featuring Brock Lesnar

I don't think I have ever seen a mixed martial arts character used to market ammo before, but maybe it works for them.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 10-21-2009, 10:07 AM
Cocked & Locked's Avatar
Cocked & Locked Cocked & Locked is offline
Member
New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition  
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Silver Hill, NC
Posts: 2,071
Likes: 4,551
Liked 4,329 Times in 825 Posts
Default

Quote:
without jacking this tread or starting a debate, just my 2 cents, I don't want a bullet to exit. I want it to use all it's energy in the target.
I want it to expand, stay intact and make a blood pouring exit hole...matter of preference I suppose.
__________________
C & L
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 10-21-2009, 11:57 AM
westkybanded's Avatar
westkybanded westkybanded is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 243
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default

I've used it a few times in my .41mag.

The only thing I've noticed, is that it has WAY more recoil than any other factory load I've used.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 10-21-2009, 01:04 PM
Andy Griffith's Avatar
Andy Griffith Andy Griffith is offline
Member
New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition New Fusion Ammunition  
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Out for the duration
Posts: 4,870
Likes: 62
Liked 520 Times in 264 Posts
Default

I think it is marketing.

Sure, it's good, but not worth the big $$$$ better.
__________________
Lost it all in a boat accident
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 10-21-2009, 02:31 PM
westkybanded's Avatar
westkybanded westkybanded is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 243
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Griffith View Post
I think it is marketing.

Sure, it's good, but not worth the big $$$$ better.
Actually, around here, it's pretty much bottom of the barrel for hunting/sd loads.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 10-21-2009, 04:39 PM
flop-shank flop-shank is offline
US Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Rust Belt Buckle/Mich
Posts: 2,382
Likes: 0
Liked 41 Times in 32 Posts
Default

I would look for different qualities in a (deer) hunting vs. self defense load in .357 magnum.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
357 magnum, 41mag, gunsmith, hornady


Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Fusion ammo Hotshot9 Ammo 29 12-04-2016 02:03 AM
215,000 Miles - Ford Fusion Hunter8282 The Lounge 33 05-03-2014 05:36 PM
Spinal Fusion PA Reb The Lounge 23 01-29-2014 10:07 AM
Anyone ever use fusion products LIGHTNING-FAST Smith & Wesson Semi-Auto Pistols 7 06-05-2012 07:01 PM
WTT – Fusion .300 Win Mag 150 gr for .357 Mag 158 gr JSP rock doc Accessories/Misc - For Sale or Trade 1 02-28-2011 07:35 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:52 AM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)