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Old 10-20-2009, 09:04 PM
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Default Mass residents, question for you.

Is it true that you cannot order ammo online?
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Old 10-26-2009, 09:19 AM
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Mike, I don't know about that but MA does have some onerous ammo laws. I found this:


Powder and Ammunition Storage

527 CMR 13.04: Licenses, Registrations, Permits and Certificates
(1) Exemption: License, Registration, or Permit: In accordance with the provisions of M.G.L. c. 148 13, the Board hereby prescribes the following quantities of explosive materials that shall be exempt from License, Registration, and Permit and may be kept, or stored in a building or other structure:
(a) Small Arms Ammunition
1. Not more than 10,000 rounds of rim fire ammunition.
2. Not more than 10,000 rounds of center fire ammunition.
3. Not more than 5,000 rounds of shotgun ammunition.
(b) Small Arms Ammunition Primers
1. Not more than 1,000 caps or other small arms primers.
(c) Smokeless Propellants
1. Not more than 16 pounds.
2. Persons under 18 years of age may not keep or store Smokeless Propellants.
3. Not more than two pounds of such propellant shall be stored in a multiple family dwelling or a building of public access.
(d) Black Powder
1. Not more than two pounds.
2. Persons under 18 years of age may not keep or store black powder.
(e) Exempt quantities of small arms ammunition, primers, smokeless propellants and black powder shall be stored in original containers and such containers shall be stored in a locked cabinet, closet or box when not in use.
(f) Special industrial explosive devices when in quantities of less than 50 pounds net weight of explosives.

(2) Storage By Permit: In accordance with the provisions of M.G.L. c. 148 13, the Board hereby prescribes the following quantities of explosive materials that shall be exempt from License, and Registration, and may be kept, or stored in a building or other structure provided a permit has been obtained from the head of the local fire department;
(a) Small Arms Ammunition: Private Use. Small arms ammunition in amounts over that specified in 527 CMR 13.04(1), that do not exceed 100,000 total rounds at any one time, may be kept for private use provided none of the individual limitations listed below are exceeded.
1. 10,001 to 30,000 rounds of rim fire ammunition.
2. 10,001 to 50,000 rounds of center fire ammunition not to include shotgun ammunition.
3. 10,001 to 50,000 rounds of shotgun ammunition not to include center fire ammunition.
(b) Small Arms Ammunition: Commercial Use.
Not to exceed 200,000 rounds in any combination.
(c) Small Arms Ammunition Primers: Private Use
Not to exceed 10,000 Small Arms Ammunition Primers.
(d) Small Arms Ammunition Primers: Commercial Use
Not to exceed 100,000 Small Arms Ammunition Primers.
(e) Smokeless Propellants: Private Use
1. Not to exceed 48 pounds Smokeless Propellants.
2. Persons under 18 years of age may not keep or store Smokeless Propellants.
3. The head of the local fire department may limit the quantity of smokeless propellants stored by permit to as low as two pounds if such propellant shall be stored in a multiple family dwelling or a building of public access.
(f) Smokeless Propellants: Commercial Use
Not to exceed 100 pounds smokeless propellant.
(g) Black Powder: Private Use
1. Not to exceed five pounds of black powder.
2. Persons under 18 years of age may not keep or store black powder.
3. The head of the local fire department may limit the quantity of black powder stored by permit to as low as two pounds if such black powder shall be stored in a multiple family dwelling or a building of public access.
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Yes, it is true. We also cannot order components like bullets, primers, or brass.

A few years ago the then Attorney General of Mass managed to get some kind of law on the books allowing him to go after out of state companies that shipped ammo and components here. I really don't remember the exact details, or how it worked, or if it was even legal, but no out of state supplier wanted to be a test case, so no one will ship ammo or components here. A few small companies are not aware of this and will sometimes ship here, but none of the major outfitters like Cabellas or Midway will ship ammo or components here.
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A few years ago the then Attorney General of Mass managed to get some kind of law on the books allowing him to go after out of state companies that shipped ammo and components here. I really don't remember the exact details, or how it worked, or if it was even legal, but no out of state supplier wanted to be a test case, so no one will ship ammo or components here. A few small companies are not aware of this and will sometimes ship here, but none of the major outfitters like Cabellas or Midway will ship ammo or components here.
My recollection is similar, in that it is uncertain, but I believe that NO new laws were passed concerning ammo. The then-AG simply interpreted or threatened to enforce existing laws differently. It is not even clear to me (IANAL) that his interpretation was wrong, but it sure was a change, with no change in the written law.

He is no longer AG, and the present AG does not appear overly interested in firearms-related issues. This does not constitute legal advice by me.
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Glad I don't have to abide by Mass laws!

I'd be in just a bit of trouble.
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A combination of State laws and Consumer protection requirements govern firearms and ammunition here in Mass. I don't know if it's the "laws" or the "requirements" that the AG was threatening to enforce against the out-of-state companies. Basically, ammunition (and/or its components) has to be purchased through a state liscensed dealer.
The difference in the two sets of "laws and requlations" that cause so many of the out-of-state companies, including firearms manufactures, not to deal with the state.
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Out of state dealers in ammo can be licensed in the state ,not quite sure why very few choose to do so.I only know of one company that states they can sell in MA. Must be some hoops to go through.I buy most of my components when I'm traveling out of state.
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There is no law in Mass to prevent selling or buying ammo through the mail as long as the buyer is licensed. As far as Midway, Cabelas and several of the big outfits are concerned, the AG filed suit against them several years ago for supposedly improperly selling in Mass. The suit was settled out of court with a promise from these sellers that they would not do business in Mass. Basically, they sold us gun owners here down the river. I guess they ran the numbers and figured it was more cost effective to sell out to the anti gun politicians than pay to fight a lawsuit to do business here. I bristle when I look at ads from these places where they tout their support for gun owners and the 2nd amendment because what they really mean is that they support us only if it doesn’t affect the bottom line. It is why I don’t buy stuff from them.

As far as the present AG, her name is Martha Coakley and she is the far and away leader to take over the seat of the late, great, “my Lincoln Town Car doesn’t float” Ted Kennedy. Martha is a screaming liberal socialist who is going to make Ted look like Jesse Helms when she gets in. As an example of how anti gun she is, she is now supporting a proposed law that will require a permit to own an air rifle!

It’s hard to believe that this is the same state that was home to Paul Revere, John Hancock, John Adams, et. al. God help us here. I can’t wait to move away!
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With all those regs. Massachusetts residents should be some of the safest people in the world!
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Actually, cmj, I think it was an Oldsmobile. To all you dear people who live in Masssachusetts, sincerely........RUN AWAY! I hear Vermont is really nice.
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