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Federal 16ga 7/8oz lead #BB shot
Seems Federal has run a limited run of this load.
Not exactly what for...but I guess it would make a very good varmint/coyote load.
It's in the red box, so I don't know exactly how long it's been out there, but a friend of mine picked up two boxes for me while he was traveling in Alabama.
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Andy,
What's the dimension of #BB shot?
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Andy,
What's the dimension of #BB shot?
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Size Nominal diameter Pellets per oz (28 g) Quantity per lb.[4]
Lead Steel
FF .23" (5.84 mm) 35
F .22" (5.59 mm) 39
TT .21" (5.33 mm)
T .20" (5.08 mm) 53
BBB .190" (4.83 mm) 44 62 550
BB .180" (4.57 mm) 50 72 650
B .170" (4.32 mm)
1 .160" (4.06 mm) 72 103 925
2 .150" (3.81 mm) 87 125 1120
3 .140" (3.56 mm) 108 158 1370
4 .130" (3.30 mm) 135 192 1720
5 .120" (3.05 mm) 170 243 2180
6 .110" (2.79 mm) 225 315 2850
7½ .095" (2.41 mm) 350 3775
8 .090" (2.29 mm) 410 686 5150
8½ .085" (2.15 mm) 497
9 .080" (2.03 mm) 585 892 7400
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WOW!
Thanks for taking the time to post that OKF!
Was never a bird hunter or clay breaker so I don't know this info as well as I should?
Thanks again!
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So anything "above" FF in diameter, is where you break into the classification of "Buck"?
I assume a #4 Buck is the next diameter up?
Thanks again!
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10-24-2009, 04:04 AM
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Yes, that is correct, at least for American nomenclature.
English and European shot sizes are a bit different once you get above size #1 or #2 shot.
I posted this, because I am nearly to the bottom of my stash of old Winchester 16ga XX Magnum copper-plated #2's.
They've been heck on coyotes and other vermin.
This is another reason I took up reloading shotgun shells- not to trap shoot, but to get loads that I can't get any other way.
I just haven't "bit the bullet" yet to buy some of the expensive copper-plated #2 and #BB shot from one of the online stores. That stuff is expensive to ship.
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Andy,
Why not buy copper plated BB's (.177" IIRC) for air guns. I'd think that would be available locally. That way, who cares what shot size you find 16 in, just empty whatever you don't want out and put your measured weight of the air gun BB's in? No reason you couldn't do the same with a payload of Buck too? The gun won't know or care about what shot size is being launched, just it's weight.
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So anything "above" FF in diameter, is where you break into the classification of "Buck"?
I assume a #4 Buck is the next diameter up?
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Buckshot is also categorized by number, with smaller numbers being larger shot. It is called either "buckshot" or just "buck", such as "triple-ought buck" or "number 4 buck".
Size Nominal diameter Pellets/oz
TriBall (12 Ga.) <5> .60" (15.24 mm ) 3/4 ounce per pellet
0000 ("quadruple-ought") .38" (9.7 mm) 5
000 ("triple-ought") .36" (9.1 mm) 6
00 ("double-ought") .33" (8.4 mm) 8
0 ("ought") .32" (8.1 mm) 9
1 .30" (7.6 mm) 10
2 .27" (6.9 mm) 15
3 .25" (6.4 mm) 18
4 .24" (6 mm) 27
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Why not buy copper plated BB's (.177" IIRC) for air guns. That way, who cares what shot size you find 16 in, just empty whatever you don't want out and put your measured weight of the air gun BB's in
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BIG no-no to put steel shot into lead shotshell loading components! (Air rifle shot is steel) Steel is less dense but harder than lead and requires special stronger wads and different volume in the shell. Many guns have been ruined by steel shot loads (including by some factory loads).
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Airgun BB's are usually significantly harder than the steel shot used in shotguns. Steel shot for shotguns is typically just soft iron shot, typically zinc or copper plated to give it a bit of lubricity and a rust preventative.
Also, shotcups and wads for steel shot are much, much thicker than those for lead- to keep the steel from contacting the barrel I suppose.
The biggest problem with steel, is it is so much lighter than lead, and therefore much less effective. Commonly, folks go at least two sizes up in steel shot to have the same effectiveness as the lead shot size. The problem then encountered is, you can't get enough steel of a larger size in a shotcup/wad to have a very dense pattern.
Of course, they've come out with shot that is "heavier than lead" and very effective, such as tungsten/iron...but it is very expensive.
I think I'll stick with lead, wherever I can.
I forgot to mention the worst thing about steel shot...it will ricochet. Boy, how I know.
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I thank both the gentlemen!
You have saved this old Spotteddog from "screwing the pooch" so to speak! As I said, little experience with other than Buck?
I knew air gun stuff was steel, I just figured the cup and/or copper plating was what contacted the counter bore and barrel. Does the Tungsten/Iron product have the same ricochet tendency too? Are it's shot cups a specialty item also?
Thanks for teaching me the new trick!
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Last I checked, Federal was the only source for 16 gauge No. 1 Buckshot loads. I can't find them in local shops, but I saw them on Federal's website.
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