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Who Is Still Hoarding?
I am, I guess. In the last month I bought about 200 rounds of .45 acp and 4 15-packs of 12 gauge slugs and buckshot. I called Georgia Arms yesterday and ordered up about 2500 cast bullets to be picked up at the gun show in Macon, GA this weekend. Tomorrow I have a Dr appointment in Thomaston, GA where there is a Super Walmart. I will buy something. If they have .45 acp I'll get some of that. If they have some .357 I'll get a box of those. Probably won't get shotgun ammo. I got pretty well stocked on that earlier this year when that was all that was available. Maybe some .22 mag, but I'm almost up to 3000 rounds on that. Hopefully some bulk pack .22. I am getting close to the magical 20,000 mark, but I keep burning it up two or three hundred rounds at the time.
A true hoarder doesn't let lack of storage space or not finding exactly what he wants stop him. Throw away two or three pair of the wife's shoes to make more space. Even being broke doesn't stop a determined hoarder. Heck, I don't need lunch anyhow. I'll just spend that on some .22s.
Seriously, I know when I retire in, oh, 198 or so days , I won't have as much disposable income to spend on ammo, components, etc. I hope the rounds downrange will increase tremendously, so I'm just trying to get ready for that.
Oh, and if the S does HTF, I'll be ready for that, too.
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I've been hoarding since Clinton got elected and see no reason to stop!
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I've cut back drastically on the number of pistol and rifle rounds I shoot. Now there is a lot more time spent looking and staring at the ammo and components on hand. I've calculated how many 1-1/8 ounce 12-ga and 7/8 ounce 20-ga loads I can make with the primers and shot I have.
I have lots of cast WW ingots ready for the mould, and need to try figuring the number of primers I need to buy in order to keep up with the lead supply.
I really miss the days when I shot without care about the availability of ammo a few years down the road.
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I don't hoard. I do, however, keep an adequate supply of ammo around just in case future availability is severely curtailed.
Adequate is different to different people.
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I'm a reloader and have bought 2 1/2 cases of 223 Remington and 4 cases of 45acp in the past year.
I'm broke and the safe is full.
I reloaded over 5000 rounds of different stuff last year and exhausted some calibers completely. My impluse maxed out last year as I had a gut feeling the gun world was going to get exciting.
I figure as money is worth less and less the ammo is only an investment. If I don't shoot it myself, I could sell it and at least break even in 12 months
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Hoarding is when you have more ammo than you can use in the remaining years of your life, plus a reasonable amount to leave for your children (enough for the remaining years of their lives?). I don't hoard.
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It's only hoarding if you get it before I do! I've had my stash for years so no ammo quest for me. However I do go through a lot of reloads and I will stock up on reloading supply's when I can.
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Just be sure to not keep it too long. I know everyone says properly stored ammo lasts "years". A good friend some years ago came to a pistol match and pulled out a couple boxes of 45 ACP from the "bottom" of the pile. Not sure how old it was, but about 15% didn't go off. It had been stored in a nice cool dry basement. I'm guessing the ammo was at lease 20+ years old. I routinely pull out 20+ year old ammo and take it to the range and put the new stuff on the bottom. Rotate your inventory, it will pay off when needed.
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I guess I've hoarded since the mid-80s when I started to have some disposable income. Then in 1992 I sold 31 USGI M1 Carbines collected from the late 60s to that time, and had a little over $20K in "play money" to fund my hobby. I've accumulated a significant amount of surplus and new-manufacture imported ammo and components since 1985, and I really stepped up the acquisition during the late 80s and before the 2004 election. I stopped buying any ammo or components in late 2007. Don't need any.
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Hoarding....
No hoarding here, just trying to keep my shooting supply up to date. I don't know any hoarders these days, the economy is keeping everyone I know from spending as much disposable income as say 8-10 years ago.
Hang on.... Hey boys, put that pallet over there in the corner, no - ok yes right there - right next to that big blue 500 gallon water tank..... thanks
OK, where was I, oh yeah, hoarding, can't see the reason for hoarding, you only can shoot so much anyway. Yeah, that's the ticket, right.
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For me its more like scrounging. I'll buy something if its a good deal but otherwise I am mostly ok for now.
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Howdy
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I have had to add more of a "buffer" to my supplies.
I have not had to slow down but I have laid in a little more stock than normal so I have more time to look for what I need before I run out.
Things do seem to be better around here recently.
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I used to just stock up whenever stuff I regularly shoot simply went on sale and there was no other reason for buying other than that.
But since the politicians in my state decided to enact a draconian ammo law that will eliminate internet/mail order/out of state purchases, and severely limit how much one can buy per month... I've gone on a buying spree for everything that I shoot before that law takes effect and ends up creating a premimum on the price of ammo along the way our handgun prices.
It's a good thing that the UPS driver is a shooter as well, and needs little explination for all of the stuff he's brought me.
I'm hoping that the planned court challenge will prevail, but I'm not holding my breath for that to happen.
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I will stock up on reloading supply's when I can.
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I have had to add more of a "buffer" to my supplies.
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Bunch of hoarders!!
By the way, Wally had one 100-pack of .45acp hardball and one 50 round box of .45acp hollow points this morning. I bought both of them.
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Just be sure to not keep it too long. I know everyone says properly stored ammo lasts "years". A good friend some years ago came to a pistol match and pulled out a couple boxes of 45 ACP from the "bottom" of the pile. Not sure how old it was, but about 15% didn't go off. It had been stored in a nice cool dry basement. I'm guessing the ammo was at lease 20+ years old. I routinely pull out 20+ year old ammo and take it to the range and put the new stuff on the bottom. Rotate your inventory, it will pay off when needed.
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I suspect that your friend's ammo had problems other than age. I have ammo much older than that that I periodically pull out and shoot a bit of, and it is 100% reliable, despite being stored in less than desirable conditions. There is still WWII-era and older ammo out there that goes bang every time.
Hoard? What's that?
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That's what everyone else is doing.
Not me. I am prudently acquiring.
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I used to just stock up whenever stuff I regularly shoot simply went on sale and there was no other reason for buying other than that.
But since the politicians in my state decided to enact a draconian ammo law that will eliminate internet/mail order/out of state purchases, and severely limit how much one can buy per month... I've gone on a buying spree for everything that I shoot before that law takes effect and ends up creating a premimum on the price of ammo along the way our handgun prices.
It's a good thing that the UPS driver is a shooter as well, and needs little explination for all of the stuff he's brought me.
I'm hoping that the planned court challenge will prevail, but I'm not holding my breath for that to happen.
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I feel your pain. Not sure as a gun lover I could live in SF. The 50 round per month limit on transfers from non-registered handgun ammo vendors was removed from the final version af AB962. No version of the bill placed a limit on how much you could buy, just how much you could give or sell your buddies if not licenced. Of course, the bill made it hard to buy 50 rounds a month as the shelves were bare...
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Ha!
I wouldn't call that hoarding.
I wouldn't want to run with such lightweights.
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Hoarding?
I was hoarding back when it was called "stockpiling". And I'm not going to stop until I have it all! BWAHAHAHAHAH!
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it's called preparing. lightweights indeed!!!!
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I would say that I keep an "adequate supply" of ammo and primers.
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I'm proud to report that I just bought a case of 22LR for 219 incl shipping. 5000 rounds!!
still hoarding......
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Just remember, a handgun without ammo is a poorly designed hammer. You should always keep "enough" ammo on hand for all your "first line" guns.
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500 rounds is more than enough for me. We will share whatever ammo you carry coming onto my property wit ill intent. But to each their own.
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I don't know if I "hoard" but I do like to keep a couple of ammo cans full at all times, rotating out the older stuff as I go. I might be "a little" over that right now. I do keep my eyes open for a good deal or something from my shopping list.
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When you get past a million rounds of a given caliber, then it becomes hoarding. Until then, it's just hunting and gathering.
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"hoard" i though that was what former hookers did. no stock piling at my casa i only invest in cooper, brass, and lead. i spend my money on pistols i just get to look at them anyway no time to shoot.
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I didn't hoard when 'everyone else' did at the coming of the Anti-Christ, and now I wish I had! I reload .45 and .223 currently, and have most of what I need for 9, but can't find primers for either one. (well I can but I refuse to pay $60 bucks for 1k) Wally World has had .223 lately but even they have jacked their prices up; can't blame them for it. I just hate to buy factory ammo when I have a bucket of brass and boxes of bullets and powder waiting to go.
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Fortunately I was well stocked before the great "Ammo Shortage of 2009". Even so, it caused me to realize I didn't quite have the supply of certain calibers for a prolonged dry spell. Therefore, I have been acquiring additional ammo so that at this point I probably have enough .22LR to supply me the rest of my life, my two sons, and my yet unborn grandkids.
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I reload the pistol ammo so I don't really hoard, but I am getting low on primers and bullets.I may have to start casting my own bullets and pay the price for primers.The reason I started reloading was the cost of .38 spl. (7.00-8.00/50rd box)and I could reload at the time for 7.00/100.I do have plenty of .22 ammo in the type that I shoot and have been able to find it to replace what I shoot up along with a few 1000 extra.I would buy more .223 and 30/06, but I won't pay the price it seems to sell for so I may start to reload that as well.A few years ago I wasn't able to justify reloading the 223 as I would only have only saved 25.00/500, but with todays prices maybe I could save enough to justify it, if I can find primers.I may also have to rethink reloading 9mm as well.
With democrats controlling the administration, house, and senate I can see why hoarding/preparing may continue and I don't blame anybody for buying all they can afford and store.
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Hi. My name is Steve and I hoard ammunition.
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I don't hoard. Even when the frenzy was going strong I left some for the next guy/gal. If I run across half a dozen boxes, I'll buy two and leave the rest for someone else. But I don't mind hoarders as much as I dislike scalpers. Yeah, I know. Free enterprise and all that. But I hate it when someone buys up everything on the shelf, just so he can sell it for double or triple the price. I'll carry a stick before I'll buy from them!
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This reminds me of my father telling me how hard it was to get shotgun shells during WWII to hunt with.
During the war, he said he only shot when he knew the round would be lethal on the game he was shooting, because ammunition was so hard to obtain, especially shotgun shells and .22 rimfire, but if you had something odd, you could likely find ammunition for it.
The only way he could get shells was because he was friends with our local state representative who was on the draft board, CD, etc. When the rep got a box of shotgun shells, he'd split it up and give five rounds to each of his friends that needed them to hunt. It went on like that until father was drafted in 1945. He was sent home from training when the war ended.
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I didn't hoard. I once bought all three boxes of .30 carbine in stock at Wally World when I only intended to buy one, but that was to annoy the mouthbreather behind me who had been rude to a woman and baby a few minutes before. I dislike rudeness, especially to kids. No ammo for him that day.
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There was short period of buy at any price on my part. Fortunately, that was short lived. My brother started buying hunting rounds before the prices felt the effect of the anti-gun lobby electing their dream team. Because of him, I had been shopping many sources. A few big purchases through mail order companies, before they went price crazy, helped. Also, I found a few good stores that stayed reasonable with their prices. Now that things are getting somewhat better I can shop locally with the stores that treated customers right during the worst of the crunch. As to the hoarding question. What is too much when using 500 to 1,000 rounds each month at the range?
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I just started to reload right before the current shortage. I was able to build up 10k primers before the bottom fell out. Started to cast my own kind of by mistake..found a nice Lyman bottom pour for 15.00 and a 2x Lee mold. I just recently purchased a 6x mold and have access to all the wheel weights I need. Now I should have enough to get me through for a long time. I am replacing what I shoot as far as primers are concerned and have alot of brass on deck.
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I have a .357 magnum and where I live there is one gun shop who is way over priced and wally world. I buy whatever I can at wally world when and if they have it. I have been buying several boxes of winchester .38 +p personal defense from the walmart in the next town, only thing is that they have put a limit to one box per caliber per day per person. I guess I will be buying as much as possible as long as I can afford it.
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Some guys house caught on fire recently and the fire fighters had to let it burn for a while due to all the stored ammo going off.
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A very widely held misconception.
I think I first read the answer in Hatcher's Notebook, but it confirmed my childhood experience of throwing a few .22s in the campfire on many occasions.
The maximum pressure a cartridge can generate outside a barrel is equal to the force holding the bullet in the neck. Once the bullet leaves the neck, the pressure is zero, and any velocity decays from there. If a cartridge went off in your shirt pocket, being burned by the powder and gasses is way more likely than any possible harm from the projectile.
Primers and black powder are a different thing since they're explosive. Smokeless powder and the ammunition loaded with it are no big deal.
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A very widely held misconception.
I think I first read the answer in Hatcher's Notebook, but it confirmed my childhood experience of throwing a few .22s in the campfire on many occasions.
The maximum pressure a cartridge can generate outside a barrel is equal to the force holding the bullet in the neck. Once the bullet leaves the neck, the pressure is zero, and any velocity decays from there. If a cartridge went off in your shirt pocket, being burned by the powder and gasses is way more likely than any possible harm from the projectile.
Primers and black powder are a different thing since they're explosive. Smokeless powder and the ammunition loaded with it are no big deal.
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what happens to all the energy expended by the burning powder contained in 10K rounds of ammo, say 223 or 308?
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i been stickin it back for years, you dont have any? well thats your proublum! if you have guns you need ammo
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Originally Posted by Fla_Sun
what happens to all the energy expended by the burning powder contained in 10K rounds of ammo, say 223 or 308?
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It burns, with the energy being dissipated to the path of least resistance. In other words, if it does not HAVE to make an object move, it won't. Pressure needs to build to shoot a bullet, and this cannot be done in an open air environment.
Same concept as to why bullets shot out of longer barrels travel faster than those shot out of shorter barrels. When the amount of pressure, and the time exposed to that pressure is reduced or eliminated, velocity declines to eventually nothing. The law of inertia at work
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I was hoarding...
...when hoarding wasn't cool.
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12-12-2009, 08:02 PM
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I bought 2 boxes of .357 Blazzer Brass for 21 a box.
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