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Super Vel 110gr .38 Special
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Is it safe to occasionaly fire Super Vel 110gr JHP in a Smith and Wesson Model 10-9 4inches barrel revolver.
I intend to use it for jackrabit and fox handgun hunting purposes up to 35yds .
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Roberto Renauld
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12-03-2009, 11:39 AM
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I think it is safe, if your revolver is in good mechanical condition. I chronoed the original Super Vel 110 grain .38 special load at over 1200 fps from a 4" model 15, so it is a stout load, relatively speaking. Keep in mind that Super Vel sold it's name, and two later owners did not load the rounds to the same velocities as the original. The non-original loads were much lighter, in many instances.
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12-03-2009, 12:31 PM
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I believe that any factory loaded .38 Special is safe to fire in a model 10-9 since it is a K frame which was used for .357 Magnum Caliber models.
I would have NO concerns myself with shooting the Super Vels in a modern K frame Revolver.
I wish I was able to consider hunting Jack Rabbit and Fox at 35 Yds. heck we don't hardly have or may not have any Jacks around here(South East MN.) to even bother looking for. Fox are fewer also as we a fair number of Coyotes which are claimed to run off the Reds.
Have a Great time and post some pics of any you dispatch, That would be interesting with details such as load, distance etc.
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12-03-2009, 03:25 PM
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I wouldn't shoot a ton of it.
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12-03-2009, 04:21 PM
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In a 10-9 it wouldn't bother me at all to shoot this ammo.
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12-03-2009, 05:02 PM
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I still have a few 110 gr 38 Sp original SuperVels. Also some Original SV 357s. 357s were fine in my blue steel M19... would tie up my M66-1. The 357 pressures were certainly up there. The limited amount I shot did no harm to the guns but like all hot loading cause more wear than lighter loads. Our last issue load was WW Silvertips.
I think more modern loadings using different powders get the same performance at lower pressures. Super Vels may be worth more as collectables than ammo now.
38-357 ammo in the 125 grain has a somewhat better track record in defensive situations & current production is much more evolved ammo than the revolutionary Super Vels.
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I wouldn't worry about it much?
You might keep an eye on the top strap above the forcing cone when cleaning to watch for flame cutting, but I doubt you'll experience it?
What I would do, is shoot the gun with that load at targets between 10-40 yards to find out where they'll actually print. You may find them landing below POA out to a certain distance?
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12-03-2009, 05:36 PM
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Dear Forists
Thank you all for sharing with me your experience!!!!, oviously if you clocked 1200fps out of a 4 inches barrel Model 15 this load I think must be ranked as +P+ load by todays SAAMI standards, as I dont have many of these original yellow box Super Vel 110gr JHP .38 Special, I will be using them in very special hunting occasions, and saving some of them as future collectables , I also shoot Winchester 125gr JHP at 945fps out of my Model 10-9 very accurate factory load, and efective for handgun hunting !!!......
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Roberto Renauld
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12-03-2009, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Spotteddog
I wouldn't worry about it much?
You might keep an eye on the top strap above the forcing cone when cleaning to watch for flame cutting, but I doubt you'll experience it?
What I would do, is shoot the gun with that load at targets between 10-40 yards to find out where they'll actually print. You may find them landing below POA out to a certain distance?
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Mr Spotteddog
Yes indeed , at 40yds the prints are in the 8-7 zone at 6 o´clock
they are landing below POA at this distance.
I must make my "shooting solution" at the range and see!!!
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Roberto Renauld
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12-05-2009, 08:57 AM
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My late father shot several cases of Super Vel 110 out of his duty Model 15-3 with no issues. This was back in the 70's.
I still have half a case of the stuff, but it's now set back as a collector's trove.
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Original Super Vel (Juras) 110 JHP is indeed hot, in the +P+ range. K frames will be affected only after prolonged use of this ammo. The newer load by H&H is much lighter, more in the 1000fps range. I got 1296fps out of a 6" K-38. Sadly my stash is gone. RIP Super Vel.
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357 Super Vel
I still have a 50-rnd box of the Super Vel .357 Mag, 137 JSP from back in the 70s, when Lee Jurras owned the company. They are too collectible to be shooting, as there are better rounds today for hunting/SD.
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I couldn't imagine doing it today, but around 1970, I had a new Model 36 Chief that I shot the 110 grain Super Vel in. I know others who did the same. There were no warnings at the time not to use the ammo in any gun chambered in .38 Special.
I don't recall Super Vel having a reputation for splendid accuracy, but no one cared as it was certainly one of the two or three hottest ammunitions available.
Speer used to chronograph velocities of commercial ammo and publish the figures in their handloading manuals. In #9, published in '74, 110 JHP Super Vel chronographed at 1236 fps from a 6" Smith & Wesson. Advertised test barrel velocity was 1390 fps. In a 6" S&W, .357 Magnum figures using the same bullet were 1502 and 1690.
Actual velocities were still impressive, even if less in revolvers than test barrels.
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Not that it makes much difference, but the figures I listed from the Speer #9 for 110 grain JHP Super Vel should have been 1246 and 1370. The numbers I listed originally were for Smith & Wesson 110 grain JHP ammo; almost identical to Super Vel numbers.
Any chance Super Vel manufactured S&W .38 Special ammunition?
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Any chance Super Vel manufactured S&W .38 Special ammunition?
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AFAIK, most or all S&W ammo was made by Fiocchi.
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