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Old 12-12-2009, 01:11 PM
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Seems like you never hear much about it anymore. Basically it is ignored by the gun rags and the manufacturing companies. It's getting hard to find and when you do find any.... it's pricey.
Is it headed towards being the next "Obsoleted" round?

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Old 12-12-2009, 01:19 PM
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I love it. I have several guns in 22 mag...It's a keeper.
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Old 12-12-2009, 01:24 PM
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I hope not! I finally got one of my long time wish list guns recently. A Winchester 9422M. Didn't have any trouble finding ammo, but it was on the expensive side. Come to think of it, what ammo isn't on the expensive side nowadays?
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For the life of me, I cannot figure why it has become so pricey. It's not much more then a .22 LR. Still uses a rimfire cartridge. So why does a box of 50 cost as much as Bulk .22 LR ?


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Old 12-12-2009, 01:27 PM
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Not obsolete by any means. Here's a fine small game revolver chambered in .22 WMRF. It's the companion piece to an old model Ruger Super Single Six in the same caliber. If you check it out, it has equal ballistics to the vaunted FN 5.7 pistol at less cost, and no bother with having to reload for it.

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"The rumors of it's death are greatly exaggerated."

All major companies still manufacture .22 MAG (Federal has 3 different loadings) and Winchester still makes the .22 WRF, which also fires in the .22 MAG chamber. The .22 WRF is my favorite for shooting eastern gray squirrels out of the tall bottomland trees back in KY, as the plain bullets don't blow the squirrel apart if I have to take a body shot.

I still use a .22 MAG rifle that I bought in 1965. Last time I used the rifle, I broke a turkey's neck at about 35 yds, using Federal 50gr .22 Mag. The .22 Mag ammunitiion always did cost 4 times as much as .22 LR, but I prefer it for hunting.
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For the life of me, I cannot figure why it has become so pricey. It's not much more then a .22 LR. Still uses a rimfire cartridge. So why does a box of 50 cost as much as Bulk .22 LR ?


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+1 .22 Magnum ammunition has always been pricey and that is the big reason I sold a Model 51 that I had years ago. I could reload .38 Specials for much less than I could buy .22 Magnums. It is still a great cartridge in rifles, but IMHO it doesn't have much to offer in handguns considering its expense and greatly reduced performance.
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Boy I hope it's not obsolete. I'm currently looking for a rifle in 22 Mag.
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For the life of me, I cannot figure why it has become so pricey. It's not much more then a .22 LR. Still uses a rimfire cartridge. So why does a box of 50 cost as much as Bulk .22 LR ?


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I think that any ammo loaded in as large quantities as .22 LR will be less expensive. Annual domestic production of rimfire ammunition is in excess of 2 billion and a trip to WalMart or anywhere it is sold will demonstrate how much of that is .22 LR. The factories have the same operating costs (salaries, electricity, etc., etc.) to load everything, so items that sell more are produced in larger quantities, which drives the cost/item down.

Another good example is .410. With so much less in materials, it would seem that they should be less expensive than 12 or 20 gauge. The opposite is true since there is much less demand, therefore fewer are manufactured and cost/item is higher.
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Last time I bought ammo I thought it was all '' obsolete'' !!!
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I never have felt the "need" for a .22 magnum. Seems like rimfire ammo at centerfire prices.
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The factories have the same operating costs (salaries, electricity, etc., etc.) to load everything, so items that sell more are produced in larger quantities, which drives the cost/item down.
Well, you got me with that statement. If the operating costs to produce 22 Mag and 22LR are the same, why does making more of one drive the cost down? If unit cost per round....electricity, wages, machine wear, rent, unemployment insurance, etc. are all the same, I can see a little more powder and a bit more brass being responsible for higher unit cost but not at the ratio it appears on the store shelf.

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re: "a trip to WalMart or anywhere it is sold"

the only RF my local wallyworld has had the past year is "22 short" once in a while....NEVER any LR.

I'm still burning up some pre-Y2K stuff left laying around....
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Well, you got me with that statement. If the operating costs to produce 22 Mag and 22LR are the same
The .22 mag should be compared to premium .22 LR ammo, not the bulk type because of the quality difference.. The .22 mag ammo is enough different that it requires different tooling, with fewer end items sold to amortize against investment and overhead. A rough rule of thumb is that doubling the numbers of items sold reduces the price about 10%, and that worked on radars, jets, and guns for the Air Force procurement. One reason the few B2s we have now cost so much is we never went into production, producing only a handfull of what are essentially hand-built prototypes.

When you consider the tighter specs for .22mag ammo and compare 2 billion+ end items to maybe a million or 2, the price difference fits the model fairly well. .22 mag ammo has cost about 4 times comparable .22LR ammo for the last 4 decades.
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Wait until Kel Tec drops it's new 30rd 22 magnum handgun next year (re-designed Grendel p-30). You won't be able to find ammo ANYWHERE after that.
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I think you're paying for the extra noise it makes....
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Apparently, Colt made a revolver or two in this caliber...




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I don't think so; not around here anyway. Great all around varmit round. I have a CZ 452 that will just flat amaze with beautiful tight groups. I love that rifle. Besides, I have enough ammo stashed for the CZ to probably last my life time. Would love to have something like that Model 48 above to partner up with the rifle. That would be a DELUX woods outfit.

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Old 12-13-2009, 08:48 AM
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Still plenty of .22 magnum around here if a little expensive. Love the flat trajectory. Just bought a Winchester 9422M and it is a blast to shoot with the .22 magnum. fun.
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Old 12-13-2009, 12:37 PM
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The .22 Magnum Rimfire is obsoleted by the .17 This-and-Thats just as the Ultra-Sooper-Short-Magnum cartridges have obsoleted all other centerfire ammo -- it ain't happening.

The gun rag articles are nothing but infomercials, and anything "new" is touted far and wide. The sheer volume of press coverage of new cartridges and the firearms in which they are chambered always overshadows the time-proven cartridges and firearms. You don't hear much about the 30-30 in the gun rags, but that doesn't mean millions of leverguns and Savage boltguns have been retired or scrapped. Tens of thousands of dead eastern whitetail annually would attest otherwise.

E.G.; The .327 Magnum. Touted as the best thing since sliced bread, with "Magnum performance" in a round with less recoil, I've seen THREE revolvers chambered for this round in the past couple years, and ONE box of ammo.

W.R.T. the availability of the .22 Magnum, I can buy probably 4000-6000 rounds between two stores in one town near me, and more if I include Wal-Mart. The 22 Magnum is still quite popular in this part of north central PA, despite the price of about $9-$11 a box of 50 in stores. MUCH higher priced at gun shows in PA and eastern OH in my observation. Of course, what ISN'T priced higher at gun shows these days?

The days of the 22 Magnum are far from over. It is widely used in these parts for small game and wild turkey. I have a Winchester 9422M levergun, a Ruger 9622M levergun, and a 640K Mossberg boltgun in 22WMR and even though I no longer hunt and would not part with these zippy little tackdrivers.

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Noah, I agree that that the gun mags lick the advertiser's....................I'd better keep it clean here.

That said, my last in line/almost always BUG is a NAA Black Widow. Loaded with CCI TNTs, what else hits as hard from an ultra concealable 8 oz. gun? The little beasts expand to .32"+ whether heavy clothing is there or not. It's scary accurate too.
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The .22 mag should be compared to premium .22 LR ammo, not the bulk type because of the quality difference.. The .22 mag ammo is enough different that it requires different tooling, with fewer end items sold to amortize against investment and overhead. A rough rule of thumb is that doubling the numbers of items sold reduces the price about 10%, and that worked on radars, jets, and guns for the Air Force procurement. One reason the few B2s we have now cost so much is we never went into production, producing only a handfull of what are essentially hand-built prototypes.

When you consider the tighter specs for .22mag ammo and compare 2 billion+ end items to maybe a million or 2, the price difference fits the model fairly well. .22 mag ammo has cost about 4 times comparable .22LR ammo for the last 4 decades.
Extremely well said. Thank you for the clarification.
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One reason the cost is much higher on 22wmr vs. 22lr is the bullets are much more expensive in the wmr. 22lr shoots either copper washed bullets or lubed lead bullets. The 22wmr shoots an actual jacketed bullet and that costs a lot more to produce. The 22winnie isn't obsolete in my home, that's for sure.
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Not obsolete. Lower overall production and the use of jacketed rather than swaged bullets explain the increased cost over .22lr. Comparing it to .22lr is natural but perhaps misguided.Turn it around-Look how cheap.22WMR is compared to centerfire calibres!
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.22 WMR is far from dead, and my belief is that once folks figure out that it is superior to the faddy little .17s, we'll see a resurgence. I REALLY wish that Ruger would start making 10-22 Magnums again. I have one, and it is one of those guns that is more accurate than it has any right to be, and is dead reliable. My very first handgun was a 5 1/2" Ruger Super Single Six, with both lr and WMR cylinders, and I've still got it. I lost count years ago of the number of rounds it has digested, lots of them magnums, and the number of bunnies it has dispatched. My 8 3/8" Model 48 is a treasure, too, as is my little 1 5/8" Freedom Arms 4-shooter. Nope, not dead, not even sick.

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First of all, my 9422 is .22LR. Wish I could have found a .22 Mag but none around.

Secondly, like Flop, I have a Black Widow in .22 Mag. No problem with ammo other than the price. 13€ ($18.64) for a box of 50 (same price for a box of .32 ACP). You think yours are expensive. Maybe my 9422 was a better buy in .22LR after all!
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Allyn, how is that BW working out so far?
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Wait until Kel Tec drops it's new 30rd 22 magnum handgun next year (re-designed Grendel p-30). You won't be able to find ammo ANYWHERE after that.
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Allyn, how is that BW working out so far?
At 25 yards it shoots high and to the left. Have adjusted sight slightly and will try again when weather lets me get to the range.

I am sure that the larger grips would make a difference, as the recoil is quite significant with the small wooden grips. Must try to get the large grips in due course.
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.22 Mag has been a favorite of mine for close to forty years. A great turkey rifle (when it was legal). Ammo was the sole problem with the .22 Magnum for years. The best choice for accuracy until a few years ago was the RWS load (about $25 a box). The Remington Premier 33 Grain V Max or the CCI 30 grain polymer tip will kill crows or woodchucks out to about 125 yards with ease.
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At 25 yards it shoots high and to the left. Have adjusted sight slightly and will try again when weather lets me get to the range.

I am sure that the larger grips would make a difference, as the recoil is quite significant with the small wooden grips. Must try to get the large grips in due course.
Recoil never bothers me with mine. I use the small magnum frame wood grips.

I found that CCI Maxi-Mag hollowpoint +Vs shoot a little high with my gun, but that Maxi-Mag TNTs shoot spot on. Different ammo may help you.
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I doubt you'll see it obsolete in our lifetime. Unlike the 5mm rem rimfire there have been millions of guns chambered in this round sold over a much longer period. ( I myself have had as many as 7, 22 "mags" at one time.) Besides, it still fills a niche in the rifle world. Namely: Allot more umph than a .22 lr in a .22lr priced (and sized) rifle. I found it to be a "nice nice" weapon for critters out to 110 yds or so. Lastly, It also can be used in seasons/locations that ban centerfire cartridges due to hunting regs.
All that said, while I'm impressed with the accuracy of my mod 48, I've never been impressed with muzzle energy a 22 mag produces (over a .22lr) in handgun barrels. These rounds need some barrel length to come up to potential.

Interesting side note here. the 22 mag does seem to be loosing ground to the 17HMR round in rifle sales. The 17 HMR does seem to have a slight edge in accuracy and shoots nearly flat out to that same 100 yds.
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RFC Home - ask thes guys if the .22 Mag is obsolete - all you will ever need to know.
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Recoil never bothers me with mine. I use the small magnum frame wood grips.

I found that CCI Maxi-Mag hollowpoint +Vs shoot a little high with my gun, but that Maxi-Mag TNTs shoot spot on. Different ammo may help you.
You have more choice than me. I can only get the CCI Maxi-Mag Total Metal Jacket with a flat point. There is a large V on the box. The next time I go to the gun shop I will ask if they can get any others.
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I would be willing to bet a bunch that if it was priced like a premium lr the demand would increase GREATLY. As is might as well buy a $90 mosin & shoot cheap surplus ammo, & some hearing protection.

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For the 5 years I've been looking for a close range (<150 yds), low noise, pest control rifle to replace the 32-20 that has served this role for a LONG time. I also wanted something that was convenient to take to the 100 yd rifle range on Saturdays for relaxed plinking. First rife I tried was a H&R single shot heavy barrel in 223. That rifle shot very well but I decided I having another rifle that required reloading conflicted with my relaxation on weekends. Next rifle I tries was a single shot H&R in 17HMR. This rifle had very good accuracy and did not require reloading. However coyotes are becoming more of a problem around our house so I decided I wanted a 22 mag.

I shoot left handed and have been wanting a left handed Savage 93 in 22 Mag since they first came out. Couple months ago I broke down and ordered a new one from the LGS. At the LGS CCI Stingers in 22LR cost $7 per box. CCI 30V-max 22 Mag cost $14 per box. The 22 Mag is not as accurate as either of the two rifles it replaced but I feel it is an acceptable choice for groundhogs at <125 yds and Coyotes at <100. At $14/50 itís cheap enough I donít feel I need to reload for it. I think if you are seeing a lack of 22 mag available in your area itís because of higher demand rather than lower production. One nice thing about the 17 fad is that used 22 mag rifles have been a bargain lately. Iíve found two Marlin 22 mags on used racks this year with scopes for $125, at different shops. Gave one to my son.
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Love my mags...s&w model 51, Mossberg chuckster, Winchester lever, and hi standard derringer. Ammo about 13 bucks around here.
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My favorite gopher round....A number of years ago a dear friend of mine and I were on a gopher shoot where he was using a .22 Hornet and I had my Marlin .22 Mag bolt gun.
At the end of the day he said to me," I gotta hand it to you on your .22 mag. There wasn't anything I could do with my Hornet that you couldn't do equally as well with you 22 magnum and you aren't always looking for your brass" !!

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PS. gophers in Montana are NOT impressed with the results of the .22 Mag either!
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Wow, four year old dig up.

At any rate, having contemplated a NAA mini-revolver for a "no other option BUG" I looked into .22 Mag. Hornady currently has a rather hot .22 Mag load out that is optimized for pistols and meant for self defense. Addresses many of the issues with shooting ammo meant for a 20" barrel out of a sub 4" barrel.

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I have a Marlin 1894 chambered in .22 mag.(scoped). At 100 yards I can break clay birds then go back and break the larger pieces. I'm using Federal Game shock 50 gr. hp's.
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Thumbs up 22 MAG

Why I have sold some things of late, this little darling remains, along with several cases of ammo I have socked away.

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A greatly under-appreciated cartridge, but hardly obsolete. My first cartridge handgun was a Colt Frontier Scout in this caliber and was my constant woods companion for several years. Later handed it "up" to my father and then "down" to my son after Dad passed. It served all three of us well.

I carried a .22 Mag High Standard derringer as my last ditch BUG throughout my LE career.

My current favorite rifle is a Savage 93FV in this caliber and it is more accurate than I am. If you want a bargain load for the 22WRM, try Fiocchi. I bought a brick of this at about $7 per 50 thinking it would be good for plinking and familiarizing myself with the rifle's trigger. Should have bought 2 or 3. Shockingly accurate and very consistent.
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I have several 22 magnums that I use here at the ranch. A few years ago A High Standers 22 mag kept me alive. After being hit with four 9mms. Those two 50gr jhps put the bad guy down and out. I use here a S&W 651 " An AMT AUTO MAG 6" AND
A H&R 700 more than all the guns I own. My last 500 round
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dont either. THIS OLD MAN LOVES .22 MAGNUMS. 77yrs.

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JR Weems. I'm trying to send you a PM but your inbox is full!
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With all that said, Did Winchester ever make a 9422 22 magnum Trapper model ? I know that they built a 9422 22 lr. Trapper model, but what about a 9422 22 magnum Trapper model?
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Can't answer your question..... but..... I really like my CZ 452FS/mannlicher 5 rd mag, and Ruger American carbine 9rd magazine in .22 mag......

today's 22mag ammo is 2000fps and give you "9mm range" of foot lbs of energy out of a 16-18 inch barrel ..... and shoot 1-1.5 inch groups at 100yds.

1000 round weighs in at around 8lbs
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To R835 can you talk about that incident or would you rather not. Got several 22 mag rifles & pistols myself & usually carry a S&W 51 or Automag II as a backup gun for a finisher shot when deer hunting if needed. One shot to the head does the trick
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With all that said, Did Winchester ever make a 9422 22 magnum Trapper model ? I know that they built a 9422 22 lr. Trapper model, but what about a 9422 22 magnum Trapper model?
The Trapper models were made in .22 LR and in .22 WMR. Here's a pic of one of the XTR magnum trappers. The barrel length on all trappers was 16 1/4" instead of the standard 20". I saw a 9422M trapper go at auction recently for nearly $1400.

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