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Old 01-03-2010, 08:48 PM
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The 642 is sighted for 158 grain ammo (according to Roy Jinks). Anyone have an opinion as to how "off" shooting the speer stuff will be?

I haven't noticed too much of a problem.
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I haven't noticed too much of a problem.
Then I'd run with the stuff. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Old 01-04-2010, 05:19 AM
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Shoots fine in my 642s out to the 25 yard line. I've not fired it past that point, but I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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Old 01-04-2010, 06:49 AM
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I was shooting 158 grain SWC Ultramax (non +P) last week and it was absolutely awful out of my 640-1 centennial (the .357 version of the 642). It was so far off I was considering some drastic things. So, yesterday, I thought I would try my carry ammo (that I had never gotten around to testing) which is Speer Gold Dot 135 grain short barrel, but in .357 Magnum. I was nailing the bullseye at 7 yards every time. It was dead on accurate and didn't kick as bad as some of the other rounds I had tried. I was very, very pleased with the ammo.

I have a 638 bodyguard (a .38 +P similar to the 642) loaded with the .38 +P Speer Gold Dot 135 grain short barrel...this spring, I will test some of that in water jugs, but it's just too cold right now. I am fairly certain in one of the Airweight guns, the Speer Ammo will be the most accurate and the best performer w/ respect to terminal shape, penetration, weight retention, etc. I tried the Buffalo Bore SWCHP .38+P that everybody talks about, and it was a powerful round. But when it hit my waterjugs, the bullet expanded and the outer ring of lead just pulled off the bullet and it turned into a very small piece. I may not be saying it right, but it basically fragmented when it went into the water...the small center section over-penetrated, and the outer ring (the part that expanded) just fell right off early in the water. So, I don't like the Buffalo Bore for that reason. The Speer is a bonded ammo, so I'm hoping it does better in the water jugs.

Probably too much information, but yes, I think the Speer is the best ammo you could get for the 642. Later, B
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I should have also said, that Winchester PDX1 also does very good. Remington Golden Saber does good. There are several other good ones available. Later, B
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Old 01-06-2010, 05:20 AM
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"I tried the Buffalo Bore SWCHP .38+P that everybody talks about, and it was a powerful round. But when it hit my waterjugs, the bullet expanded and the outer ring of lead just pulled off the bullet and it turned into a very small piece. I may not be saying it right, but it basically fragmented when it went into the water...the small center section over-penetrated, and the outer ring (the part that expanded) just fell right off early in the water. So, I don't like the Buffalo Bore for that reason. The Speer is a bonded ammo, so I'm hoping it does better in the water jugs."

That happens in water, regularly, most likely would not happen in meat.
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That happens in water, regularly, most likely would not happen in meat.
Right. Water is not a worthless test medium, but it has faults. Expansion should be more violent in water than flesh. Over expansion isn't a red light, but failure to expand is.
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If the water jug explodes and everyone is smiling, it is good stuff. If everybody gets wet it is even better!
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I'm considering the Speer SB 135+P, and the 158 SB Buffao Bore loading myself. I want to try them in my K-frame snubbies; M19/66s, M64-2, 2" , my Js, M640-1, 2.125" , 638, and my M65-5, 3".

Any one have any ballistics they can share?

I have the "regular" Speer load, I think 135+P and it's a tad heavy recoiling in my Js. I shoot a lot of 148WCs and Federal 158gr SWCHP+P gets the nod in my Ks so far!
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Anyone have any ballistics they can share?
Yes. I tested the Speer load by firing it into Perma-Gel. The results are in the Perma-Gel Test Results thread I started in this forum. There are also results for one, or both loads, at www.stoppingpower.net (test bed forum) and www.brassfetcher.com ("old website" link).

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Old 01-08-2010, 05:10 PM
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I chronographed the Speer 135 +P Gold Dot in my 642 and got 842 fps.
At 7 yds it was "accurate enough", but not outstanding.
I also carry a 640-1, 357 mag, and load Rem 158 gr 357 mag SJHP in it. Chronographs at 1140 fps from the 2 1/8" bbl. It was very accurate at 7 yds.
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