THey have several names. Could this just be a marketing ploy ? I ve tried the subsonic before and killed a few birds on the property. I like bec of its low cracking sound.
The bulk ammo i think is the golden bullet. Those are my choice for cheap plinking.


Whats your favorite amongst their list ?

.22 Rimfire Ammunition - Hunting Rifle Ammunition - Remington Rimfire Ammunition

I hate to say it but I've had no luck with Remington golden bulk pack rimfire ammo. I have to hammer it out of my revolver's and it will not chamber in my new 15-22. I have the remaining ammo marked bolt action rifle only. I seem to have better luck with Winchester and Federal rimfire ammo, seem's to work in all my rimfire's. Maybe a bad batch from Remington, was bought at Waly world.

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I like what they call the "Target" ammo which is in 100 packs. About as cheap as any and I have found to be reliable in my K22 and Ruger MkII. Is sub-sonic. Least favorite is a brick of Blaser I bought on the cheap at a show. Bad stuff.

I won't buy any more Remington .22 rimfire --- it's the dirtiest, least reliable of any plinking grade ammo, in my experience. The Federal 550 bulk pack from WalMart is clean, accurate, reliable (I've had the odd exception, but it's rare), and you can't beat the price, when you can find it...

I gave my son a .22 conversion kit for his AR, came with 2 25rd mags. Went through a box of 550 bulk Remington ammo without a single problem.

+1; Remington quality control on their .22LR has gone down the tube. There are numerous posts on this board and others about this.

I can only speak for the Remington Target standard velocity. In our indoor bullseye club, out of a couple dozen average to high grade bullseye guns, it is accurate, but totally unreliable. We have experienced up to 15% misfires out of a case of ammo. We quit using it for several years, then tried it again last year, and no change. Regardless of the gun being a Ruger are a Pardini, or a Hammerlii, a misfire averaging nearly every 5 round clip. We won't trust it.

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Worst is the Remington 'Thunderbolt' promo ammo. I had a brick that the bullets were so oversized that they would not chamber in an old, worn-out .22 single shot rifle, let alone anything else. Never mic'ed them, but they had to be almost .230.

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FWIW, 17 years ago Remington Thunderbolts were the most consistent and accurate promo ammo I tested. I bought thousands. A year+ ago Rem Tbolts and Goldens were abysmal-huge numbers of misfires , squibs, overly loud rounds, cartridges without powder or primer etc.. Sometime last year a QC and tooling revamp supposedly occurred on the .22 GB production line. I fired 2 bulkpacks of a recent production lot with only a couple of misfires.....which fired on a second strike. The previous QC problems were disturbing but current Remington production may merit a second look.

I am starting to wonder if Remington even makes the .22 ammo they market. I was reading in American Rifleman this morning their product recall on .17 HMR, and they use the phrase..."Remington has been notified by its supplier of 17 HMR ammunition...". If someone is supplying it to them, then they are not making it, probably same with the .22 ammo. I suspect China is involved in this.

I have used the Remington Golden Bullet 22 LR HV HP bulk pack ammo in my Jarvis 22 conversion unit for a 1911 and an Advantage ARms 22 conversion unit for the Glock 17. It has been very reliable in terms of function except for ca 2% ignition failures which usually ignite with a second strike. I would not use it for serious matches but for the price it is excellet ammo in my opinion.
I found Remington Thunderbolt to be very reliable and surprisingly accurate with few ignition failures but it leaded the barrel when I fired ca 100 rounds in rapid succession. If I allowed the barrel to cool after firing 20 to 30 rounds it would fire a brick without leading. I ceased using it and switched to the Remington Golden.

I find the Remington Golden Bullet the best for my ACE .22 conversion unit for the .45 1911s. Most ammo will foul the floating chamber in short order until it fails to "float." I can shoot the conversion for a long time with the Golden Bullets with a bare minimum of fouling. On the downside, there are some failures to fire. I suspect the priming is not properly deposited in the periphery of the rim; re-orienting the round the in the chamber usually allows it to fire. This annoying but not critical for practice. I sure would not use it for any kind of protective piece.

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I had one brick of thunderbolts and never again. Totally unreliable in my Buckmaster. Same with my CA AR-7, and my buddy's Henry AR-7. Many fail to fire, fail to eject, stuck in chamber.

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I agree that the Remington Thunderbolt is about the worst .22 LR ammo out there! I started using the Winchester Wildcats because of the horrible performance of the Remington stuff about 10 years ago. In the past few months I have found that now the Wildcats are starting to go down hill, so I have switched over to Federal "Champion" ammo. I can't comment on the Federal ammo as of yet because I want to shoot out all the Wildcats first. I do have a few shooting buddy's that use the Federal Champions and they say it works very well. I guess I shall find out soon.

On another note:
I just recently purchased a few cases of Remington "Gun Club" #8 shot 12 Ga. shotshells for use in informal trap shoots. I opened the last case a few weeks ago and I saw something very strange. The shotshell boxes were marked correctly, however all the hulls were black in color. As far as I know, the ONLY Remington 12 Ga. shotshells that I have ever seen in black indicate steel shot. I will shoot these through a vintage Browning Superposed, & I certainly do not want to put steel through that gun in which the barrel is not rated for steel shot. I pried a shell open and the shot inside was indeed lead, but a quick call to Remington verified my thoughts that someone had grabbed the wrong color hulls when they manufactured this ammo. Not that this is the end of the world, but just another sign that says Remington's QC is slipping fast.

I now try and shy away from Remington unless that is the only thing available in the loading I am looking for.

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RE: "I am starting to wonder if Remington even makes the .22 ammo they market. "
In my previous post, I "bragged" on the .22 Target in spite of comments on and off the web about duds. Well, after going thru several 100-packs of this, I found ONE dud round. Maybe I am the lucky one, but that's my experience. For what it's worth, this ammo says "made in USA", and specifically Arkansas. (No, I ain't about to argue that point! :-) )

Yep. Of the many, many thousands of rounds of .22 rimfire I've shot over the past 40+ years, I've had more misfires with Remington than with all other brands combined. Lack of QC with their rimfire ammo is not a new phenomenon. FWIW, I've had the best luck with various CCI loads, in handguns and rifles, but Federal is good, too.

Got to agree with you on CCI's, never had a problem with any of their .22s. Got a brick of Fiocchi the last time out to the range and that performed real well also.

Hadn't used Remintons since the '60s. Totally supprised by how bad the Thunderbolts were. Not gonna happen again. Even though they were cheaper, by the time you figure how many actually worked. They cost more than the CCIs or Fiocchis.

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I believe most comments were directed at the "bulk" Remington loads.

After finally getting rid of the Remington bulk pack stuff, I gave them the benefit of the doubt and bought some of their Subsonic loads....same old problems, misfires and inconsistency. Sorry, there's too much good ammo out there to waste time and money on such as that.

As some have said, I think over the years CCI has been consistently the best .22 ammo I have ever used, with Federal and Winchester running a close second.

The only foreign made I have used has been Aguila match ammunition of various types. Aside from the "burning wire" smell, it has been accurate and consistent...maybe not as clean burning as most of our domestic makes, but still good ammunition.

Some of the Remington has been ok for me, but stay away from the Thunderbolt. I couldn't even tell if the bullet made it out of the barrel a couple of times in a revolver. I had to open the cylinder, dump everything out, and look down the barrel. That's how bad that stuff was, at least last year. One shot would sound normal, the next, like it was a squib.

If I find one of the boxes of the Thunderbold, I was using, and it has a lot number on it, I will edit this post, and include that information.

That's the truth.... a local buddy calls the Remington "musical" ammo, cause every round sounds different....
I've had nothing but trouble with it with my 22 conversions (Ceiner AR, Spikes AR, Ciener 1911, Advantage Arms G19). The only ammo that shoots consistently on all these platforms for me is the CCI Mini-Mag ammo.
I don't have any issues with the Remington's for plinking out of a bolt or pump .22, but for autoloaders and conversion units, I don't have the patience.
One of my favorite pastimes is shooting the CB loads out of my Winchester M61, you can slamfire that little rifle and CB's and shorts are quiet and a kick.

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A while back I bought some of this stuff for a shooting / camping trip. Worst ammo purchase I ever made. The stuff leads up my revolvers so badly that after the first 5 cylinders the bullets start flying out in random directions. Horrible stuff. 36gn 1280fps MV, according to the box. Ghastly ammo, and I'm stuck with nearly 1000 rounds of it. ***SIGH***

OTOH I have had nothing but great things to say about Federal Champion ammo in the 525 round value pack. Works in everything I have, and doesn't lead the bores. It is also listed on the box as 36gn 1280fps MV, though the bullets are copper clad instead of lubed lead like the Remington Cyclone rubbish. Maybe that's the key, I don't know.

I'll never buy Remington .22LR ammo again.

I'm just the opposite of the poster above, although mine weren't bulk pack ammo, but rather they came in seperate 50 round packs in a 500 round brick. I love the Remington Cyclones! They are consistantly some of the most accurate ammo in my .22's both rifle and pistol, and I own quite a few. I have several rifles in which they will consistantly turn in 1" 10 shot groups at 50 yards, with the first 5 running well under that, and only one of these rifles are what I would call even close to being a target rifle. My 17-3 loves them as well.

I have never experianced leading even once in 38 years of shooting .22's through an awful lot of different rifles and handguns.

I have to believe that if someone is getting leading, they have a rough bore or haven't cleaned their gun for many thousands of rounds. I don't clean mine after every session, but I don't go for more than a brick without at least some cleaning.

YMMV

Interesting how the Remington centerfire pistol ammo can be such good stuff (anyone hate Golden Sabers?), and their rimfire ammo can be such absolute rubbish. My Buckmark absolutely refuses to eat it, chokes and pukes at least once per magazine. Federal seems to be where its at.

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I've stored considerable bulk remington, up till about 2 years ago, when for some reason quality went south all a once. I'd been getting < 1 per 100 ftf in a marlin rifle and it went up to maybe 4-5 per 100. That was 2006 production, and I stopped buying it immediately and started buying mini mag solids at twice the cost.

I'm still working off the backlog cause nobody around here wants to shoot it, when the CCI goes bang every time.

never had luck with remington ammo, seems dirty, doesn't always seem to have the same charge in it , even out of the same box. half sound like the primer only went off the rest smoke so much it isn't funny. all garbage i think. i like winchester ammo, even though the empties seem to come out of my k-22 hard.

Referring to the Remington bulk pack....aside from the squibs and ftf's you have to do a side step with every shot to see your target. Are they loaded w/ black powder?

I can not remember any CCI magnum rimfire failing to fire for me that was not a problem with the gun. Winchester and Federal have always been reliable. Last summer I purchased a couple of boxes of "new pointed soft point" Remington cartridges. I had several misfires through both my pistols and one of my rifles. I stopped using them and went back to my SuperX and CCI. The CCI Maxi Mag+V has always been reliable...a cannot remember a FTF with this cartridge.

After reading opinions concerning reliability of the rimfire type cartridge I dug out last summers Remingtons and fired a few rounds until I quickly obtained an FTF.

The bottom Remington cartridge casing was the FTF the top casing was apparently a good cartridge.

I'm a little late to this thread but felt I need to give my $0.02. For what I have shot I am in agreement with all the guys here saying Rem is junk. I tried my best to shoot what I had but with FTF's and all the variations in load strength I finally got mad enough to toss the rest. Fed's and CCI's are all I shoot now and that's because I have the choice locally to get it easily. Most of my FTF's had no primer in the case and looked just like the above picts.

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Gun4Fun, it's a mystery to be sure. I was firing the Rem. Cyclone stuff out of my M. 35-1 and M. 617. I clean and oil my guns carefully after every shooting session. NO dirty guns here! The M. 35-1 would lead up after about 25 rounds. The M. 617 seemed to go a little longer. I'd shove a rod with a copper brush down each one once the bullets started going sideways and would find a big wad of lead near the forcing cone on both revolvers. Nasty. Disappointing. However, I did find (when fired through a clean barrel), that the Cyclone ammo was very accurate, just as you mentioned. Gotta love the accuracy, but it sure doesn't like me or my guns. The Federal Champion Bulk Pack OTOH doesn't lead my guns at all. It doesn't seem to be as accurate as the Cyclone, but I have to say that for me, no leading with the Federal is an acceptable trade-off against a little loss in accuracy as compared to the Remington, at least for casual shooting.

I remember back in the '70's and up to late '80's that the Golden Bullet Rem was good stuff, shot real good in my Ruger Mk. now it's about as much trouble as good. would bad primer compound placement/amount cause all the trouble?

I prefer CCI/Federal, Remingon .22 I only use Viper or Yellow Jacket, Remington Traget ammo is not worth a dime.

I also prefer CCI LR and WMR in all of my rifles and pistols but for general plinking the Remington Golden Bullet works best as the most accurate in my Marlin 66. The last brick of Federal I bought will jam in every .22 I have.

Only remington to work in my two rifles with any accuracy was the "Gold bullet" and it would eject ok in my Marlin mod 60 without any problems.

Top accuracy from the big three was from the Federal LR 40gr standard velosity bullets in both rifles. with cci right on its tail
with the sub-sonic 40gr. for close range work.

My win pump got good accuracy from the cci, CB Long at 25 yards for a plinking,low noise round. Neither rifle did well with the Remington "Yellow Jacket" but that was a different thing with the "Stinger".

I must get all the good Remington Thunderbolt.
Even used to fire Bullseye matches with the stuff.''

It functions well in all my .22s. One match several shooters with
Remington Target .22s had misfires. My gun just kept firing
Thunderbolts and putting them in the 10 ring.

Some of my Thunderbolts were bought a while ago. A box I looked at around Christmas still had a 99 cent price tag on it.

Used to use Golden Bullet rounds in a Colt Conversion Unit.
Nothing else shot more than a box in it without jamming up the
floating chamber. Haven't shot them in a while but they have
worked for other shooters I know.

Received a box of Golden Bullet ammo with my 15-22 (525 rounds). Decided to try them even with the horrible reputation they have around here. Used them over 3 trips to the range with only 2 malfunctions (1 - fail to load, 1 - fail to fire = 0.38%). They did work, but they continually changed sound as I fired them, and they seemed dirtier than the other brands I have tried.

CCI excellent quality ------- most expensive
Federal --------very very good quality ---------- reasonably priced
Winchester Wildcats --------acceptable quality if priced right
Remington --------- junk at any price!

You know, I read this stuff and come away wondering. Some of it just sounds like Ford vs Chev bias. People have their brand and for whatever reason will lie like mad to make their favorite sound better.

I still have probably 5 or 6 boxes of Remington yellow bullet hollow points from back in the 1960s. It was good for me back then. So good it became my standard of accuracy. When I bought other brands, I would often test some of it against the old standby. And I'm not real sure why I began buying other brands in quantity. I know I still have most of a case of Winchester white box 22s from probably the late 1970s or early 1980s.

So I have really started wondering where we're going with all this. Every brand of 22s now being domestically produced seems to generate an occasional misfire. And I do the same thing, rotate and try again. But there's no reason to be stupid about it. So I get out 2 pairs of pliers and bend the round and dump the power. Then I look down in the case for some colored stuff spun into the rim (if thats even how they still do it). And guess what? Its almost never there. So my conclusion is simply the machines move so fast they occasionally just "forget" to prime the cases. My life and death encounters while holding a 22 are very low. OK, extremely low to the point I don't care. Besides, with a K22 all you need to do is pull the trigger again.

So it doesn't really matter if the ammo is perfect or not. Dirty is another subject and I hate dirty ammo.

But when I was growing up (the same years most of our posters were doing that) back in the late 1950s and 1960s there were 2 big brands. They were Remington and Winchester. I can't recall seeing many federals if any. CCI was just a cheap off brand. The top shelf stuff was the pistol and rifle match, produced by the big companies. Now both Remington and Winchester have been bankrupt a few times. Besides, early on the ammo business was just a profitable offshoot of the gun business. Now the gun business isn't all that big or well thought of. Basically, they're now big volume and not well thought of brands.

So who is the big name ammo maker? Do we abandon American made ammo just like the have with cars, TVs and almost everything else?

And my all time favorite 22 ammo was the 1950s Super-X with the nickel cases. I liked the tiny impressed lettering on the base of each one. Even in the early 1950s when my dad let me tag along I'd pick them up because they were prettier than the ugly and often tarnished brass ones.

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Haven't tried it myself but a lot of guys like Wolf match .22.

Remington Golden bulk works fine in my autoloaders. The GB and Blazer are the only two bulk .22 that cycle reliably in my wife's Mosquito.

Tried a few different brands in my 10/22 all weather at 25 yards awhile back.

Here is an old 22 test out of my winchester model 61 pump, shot at 15 yards, for critters in the back yard.

Lots of fail to fire with recent Remington Golden Bullet bulk ammo,,lots of them. I saved a dozen of them a couple weeks ago and pulled the bullets once home.
Many didn't have any priming compound in the rim.
Some had it in spots, so they'd go bang if positioned just right. A couple did'nt have any powder along with no priming or little of it. Those would have been a stuck bullet in the bore had the primer launched them I suspect.
Very accurate though the stuff that did shoot. No problems getting inch to inch & half groups at 50m using an elbow rest in a Win 63, factory sights and Social Security eyes.

ThunderBolts used to be great stuff. Cheap and accurate. Used to use it in Bullseye back in the 70's and 80's. Then Rem had the QC problems starting in the late 90's or early 2000 and I got stuck with one of the batches that leaded so badly after a mag or cylinder, a brass brush had to be hammered through the bore.
No more T-Bolts since then. I still have a couple of those boxes around in a paper bag.

The truth is, most all the 22rf ammo of late is nothing to brag about as far as reliability is concerned.
I've got new Winchester, Fed and CCI and all will come up with FTGoBang. Same problems as the Remington, just not as often.
The Winchesters I have now sound like you're shooting a mix of shorts,LR, standVel and HV though. All from the same bulk box.

I'm thinkin' China or Mexico maybe.
The marketing names and packaging changes often for some of these.
One box of bulk Winchester ammo I had a couple years ago was from Australia of all places. Pretty good as I recall but I haven't see than on a box since.