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All of the people that said to get it while you can... Buy it up.... Its the new gold.... It won't be here tommorow... Its going to be banned.... You know the people that pretty much created a big panic. Seems now that things have calmed down I can get all the ammo I need and can actually get to the range. Just a little rant..
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Hindsight is 20/20. I don't blame people for being worried when we have the type idiots who are in Washington.

Or you could learn to handload, stock your shelves on the cheap and stop your crying. Just a little counter rant.
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The power's that be where preoccupied with shoveing health care reform down our throat's, voter reform in the form of makeing US citizens out of illegal alien's is next. Dont worry, they will get around to gun and ammo reform.
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Well it doesn't go bad so what are you complaining about? I wasn't stocking up on ammo and reloading suplies because I was worried about anything being banned, I am still stocking up on reloading suplies and ammo incase of an economic meltdown which I still think can easily happen.
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What ammo shortage? Of course I cast my own bullets and reload.
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All of the people that said to get it while you can... Buy it up.... Its the new gold.... It won't be here tommorow... Its going to be banned.... You know the people that pretty much created a big panic. Seems now that things have calmed down I can get all the ammo I need and can actually get to the range. Just a little rant..
Yeah, I can get all the ammo I need, too, but at twice the price of five years ago. There are still shortages of certain calibers, namely .45acp and .380 in this particular area. A little more .45acp seems to be showing up at WM at what is now considered a reasonable price. My local gun emporium has had plenty of .45acp for the last six or seven months, but at about 50% higher than WM, when WM has it.

If you are an avid shooter and don't have an ammo acquisition plan in place, then you are very short-sighted. Even if there are no more severe shortages, a purchase plan will help with just regular old inflation. I bought a bunch of primers back in 93-94-95 when the rumors of limited supplies and additives that would limit shelf-life were rampant. As it turned out, those rumors were groundless. Imagine what an idiot I feel like when I break out a brick of large-pistol primers marked $10.99. I really feel like a fool when I dig back in the safe and bring out a brick of .22 Thunderbolts marked $7.99, or a box of UMC .45acp marked $8.99.

As I reported in another thread, I bought a 250 round box of UMC .45acp for $90. tax included earlier this week. That figures to $18.00 per 50 rounds. I will try to buy at least a pack of those per month while they are available at that price. Meanwhile, I still have a case or two I am shooting from that I paid $8.99 per 50.

You rant all you want to about us hoarders that caused the panic. I will keep buying a little ammo every month as a hedge against inflation, against shortages, or for when the S does indeed hit the F.
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From the moment it was known for certain that Ozero would be our new 'Pres[id]ent', it was anyones guess what Obama's order of attack on our Constitutional Rights was going to be.

So for those that had not already stocked-up, panic buying ensued and a bunch of people now have a mess of expensive ammo. At least there are now more citizens that are well-armed and well stocked with ammo.

The Obama Regime will move in earnest against the 2nd Amendment at some point, and another ammo feeding-frenzy will begin.

More guns and ammo in the hands of Patriots is all-good.

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Glad you can find ammo. I haven't seen a box of WW Ranger 9mm JHP in over a year. I reload, so I don't have an ammo shortage, but I thunk it's prudent to stock up.

As Vulcan Bob said, they'll get around to it, probably after the elections in November.
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All of the people that said to get it while you can... Buy it up.... Its the new gold.... It won't be here tommorow... Its going to be banned.... You know the people that pretty much created a big panic. Seems now that things have calmed down I can get all the ammo I need and can actually get to the range. Just a little rant..
Depends where you are. Ammo on the shelves here, whether in gun shops or wallyworld, is still in short supply and still pretty overpriced, though neither supply nor prices are as bad as they were. Remains to be seen if there will be a "full recovery."
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I started "stocking" in the winter of 07-08, just to have a supply around. When the "panic" hit after the election in 08, I continued to purchase at the same rate as I had before (at a higher price). And I pretty much have continued at my same pace ever since. My usage has gone up due to getting into IDPA, but I've also started rolling my own. I have about as much in stock as I did prior to the election with the exception of .38 special. Where I live, it is hard to find .38 spl practice ammo without paying through the nose.
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I got everything that I needed (I had most of it anyway) the day after the Dems took Congress in '06. Since then, prices have certainly risen. Should I have purchased ammo as an investment at that time (I did not), I would have done a lot better than buying even gold - which is saying something.
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Exactly right, we ARE on the to do list!
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i must agree...forget the $18.00 dollars or so on 45acp and reload...when you REALLY notice it is reloading the 500 mag.!!it's not difficult and you get what you want...when you want and pocket a lot of loot...
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I stopped buying during the ammo buying frenzy, but have continued to buy after prices came down. Picked up 350 rounds of .41 Long Colt and 250 rounds of .44 special in the last few weeks. I buy all my ammo off gunbroker, deals can be had if your patient.
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I stopped buying during the ammo buying frenzy, but have continued to buy after prices came down. Picked up 350 rounds of .41 Long Colt and 250 rounds of .44 special in the last few weeks. I buy all my ammo off gunbroker, deals can be had if your patient.
I haven't seen any prices coming down.
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Shortage of ammo wasn't the only reason for increased prices, the strength of the dollar is partly to blame. Unless our economy can recover the prices will not be back where they were, and even then it probably won't so, get used to it.
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In the hunt for ammo on the auction sites, you must check them every day. Bid low, if you don't win you have lost nothing. Just keep it up. Bid bid bid.You will win some, over time your ammo stockpile will increrase. This is how I have acquired over 2500 rounds of the hard to find .41 long Colt in the last three to four years. I have been outbid more times then I have won auctions, but my stockpile continues to grow, same with .44 special, be persistent in your hunt.
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I haven't had a chance to check this thread I started for a while. I like the comments. Don't get me wrong I believe strongly in being prepared. And don't think that I haven't stocked up over the years (at a slow pace). I was angry over the fact that people would come into a store and wipe the shelves clean for no reason other than a panic or to make sure they got theirs for resale. I watched as people came into a store and said "I want from here to here" (shelves) buying calibers they don't even own. I am just happy it finally calmed down for a while..
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I find these threads amusing. As much fun as a year and a half ago when the same folks were crying about the sudden shortages. What seems to filter out is the shooting fraternity sifts out into two distinct groups. The young'ens who complain and cry like mad because they've always know a land of plenty, and the old coots who've been doing this for a while.

I grew up reading Skeeter Skelton, and I heard story after story from my older relatives about how tough it was during the depression. The theme was the same, no ammo and no money to buy any if you could find some. They beat into my thick skull the idea of waste not, want not. Ammo was a particularly sore issue.

When I started to shoot, a box of 22s was an unimaginable treasure. Then when my teen buddies would go out shooting, they'd waste a brick apiece. I was in disgust, but enjoyed watching them miss what they were shooting at. I refrain from saying aiming because very little of that was ever done. They were burning powder and throwing lead down range (and it wasn't a range, we couldn't afford such luxuries.)

And my views were warped more by my uncle. My dad couldn't stand him but I thought the was cool. He just wasn't stingy. He also didn't go away during WWII. Instead he beat the draft, worked 14 hours a day for most of the 4 years the war lasted, and did some really cool things for the War Department. Like worked on the M1 Carbine development they named the M2. He did make good money, probably why my dad didn't like him.

But he had all kinds of little stockpiles of ammo, mostly 22s, but some 45-70s and even some shotgun shells. He was generous to a fault with me. He had daughters, worthless things for a man who liked guns. So whenever we'd go visit my Grandmother, who live with the uncle, he'd bestow gifts on me. Great presents for a gun loving teen.

And my poor little mind was warped beyond all hope. It was ingrained into me that ammo was to be save and cherished, not wasted. Wealth wasn't measured in $, but in rounds hidden away. And I had this burning desire to become wealthy when it came to ammo.

Its why I laugh at you folks who thought the way to live your lives was to stop at WallyWorld on your way to the range for a box of ammo. Or worse, buy it from the attached gun store. Just like it never crossed your minds that ammo might become over priced or unavailable, it never crossed my mind to own less that a few years supply. The ammo we bought up at WallyWorld and the gun shows was really pretty cheap compared to today's prices. My only forecast is for inflation in the near term. Probably a new stability of maybe twice the prices of 2 years ago, but maybe more.

I buy at firesale prices. Whenever I find things available. I don't apologize to anyone for my buying. I have a little cash in my wallet. I pay my bills with room to spare, and I buy ammo when I see it. Believe it or not, there are folks who think ammo goes bad after a year or two. So when some relative croaks, they dump his ammo for the prices on the sticker, or less because they consider it distressed goods.

For those of you who have met Charlie Sherrill, you know he's easily amused. At several of the gun shows a few years ago he came into our tables to cool his heals. In reality, he understands very well why we buy a table. Its a place to call home, sit around, BS (and he's good at that, too.) But he was both amused and irritated that whenever one of my bird dogs (unpaid scouts) would return with a hot tip, I was up and gone for the time it took to cheat the other guy out of his ammo.

At the one show in particular, I managed to score about 15 boxes of 44 special self defense ammo at $9 a box. He was laughing at me. I was proud. Then there were the boxes of 22s someone felt was out of code.
I just buy them and into storage they go. Soon I'll start the end game (the one where I shoot till I die.)

I still have 550 bulk packs with the $13.47 price sticker. You guys like the OP here think thats cheap. I think it was expensive but a needed thing to do. I've also got Remington premium Golden Bullet hollow points with $5 a brick pricing. And all those stupid CCI Mini Mag plastic boxes of 100. Those were about a $1 a piece.

We play 2 totally different games. Ammo is an end in itself. Don't waste a shot, you won't get it back.
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well pardon me for buying way too much ammo shortly after Obama was elected and sworn into office!!! I still have a bunch of mastercast remanufactured ammo from late 2008 that I am just making a dent in now...guess sending in my own brass to his company caused a major shortage also?!? there are advantages to buying bulk when I am able & among them is a lower price since I bought them earlier and I'm still shooting them which saves me some $$$ in the long run...as a first time homeowner those savings allow me to put more money toward my mortgage payment; later
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Wow I thought this thread died out and lo and behold it popped up again. So exactly what did Obama have to do with the ammo shortage. Nothing but getting elected... You (in general) did it to the rest of us with rumours and straight out panic. That made me sick to my stomach. I don't care how much you buy but don't scream the sky is falling and then when it doesn't don't have the gumption to admit you were wrong. I never said I don't buy ammo and don't stock ammo. I got plenty and I buy in bulk also when I need to. The faces of the masses that were hitting the stores said it all.

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It was on the internet that ammo and guns would be banned immediately, so it must have been true
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I still cant purchase primers in bulk at will. I believe a prudent shooter/reloader keeps a healthy supply of powder and primers on hand at all times. Prior to last election, I saw a repeat of the Clinton era coming so I stocked up. While others were whining about not being able to find cheap ammo at Walmart, I just loaded what I needed. When my sons came to visit they always left with a few hundred rounds.
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Things are getting a bit easier in terms of primers and some expensively priced ammo[saw a box of 50 41 mag JSP's at Gander last week for ONLY $80!] but depending on caliber, the jacketed bullets are still in very short supply - IMO.
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I didn't buy hardly any ammo over the past year or so, as I had plenty on hand. Since it's become pretty well available again, I buy when I see a good price. I've got some ammo dating back to the 80's, but I drag it out every so often to make sure it's reliable. Have never found any that wasn't. I recently had an opportunity to buy a few bricks of small pistol primers that are probably 20 years old, but I know where they came from and the old fellow quite reloading. Got them for a really good price. My philosophy is when any supply of ammo gets below an arbitrary level (I set depending on the cartridge, with .22's the highest usage), I buy whenever I see a decent price. Most centerfire I reload. I figure at my current level of shooting, I can go 3 to 4 years without buying anything, but then I will have to have a really long reloading session.
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Wow I thought this thread died out and lo and behold it popped up again. So exactly what did Obama have to do with the ammo shortage. Nothing but getting elected... You (in general) did it to the rest of us with rumours and straight out panic. That made me sick to my stomach. I don't care how much you buy but don't scream the sky is falling and then when it doesn't don't have the gumption to admit you were wrong. I never said I don't buy ammo and don't stock ammo. I got plenty and I buy in bulk also when I need to. The faces of the masses that were hitting the stores said it all.
You are wrong.

Obama did plenty other than getting elected. Do you remember the statement on his Urban Policy Agenda from his Change.gov website? If not, then I will remind you:

Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.
Urban Policy | Change.gov: The Obama-Biden Transition Team

Those were not rumors. They were/are hard, cold facts. His Attorney General called for renewal of the AWB, and Congressional Democrats cringed.

There is no reason for me to believe he has changed his agenda. Those goals just are not politically expedient at this time, and his Obamacare and **** and Tax legislation was/is apparently more important at this time. If the Democrats don't take too bad a whipping in 2010, look for some gun control proposals next year. More likely, if Obama wins a second term, those proposals will come then. The only reason these and even more onerous proposals haven't come about so far in his administration is that it would be very hard to get them through a Congress that remembers what the wrath of the NRA wrought after the Clinton AWB was pushed through in 1994 over the objections of Democrats who knew it would cost them their jobs.

I personally bought very little ammo during the so-called panic, because I have been hoarding since 1994. If I had not had a lot on hand, including primers and powder, I certainly would have taken part in the panic. Any prudent individual who did not already have sufficient stores would. Currently, I am buying .45 ACP because I don't load for that caliber, and .22 long rifle because I don't quite have the 20,000 rounds that I consider sufficient.
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Well, rburg said it the long way, but he said it right. There was an "ammo shortage" back in the 90's, but there hasn't been one since, at least not at my house. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

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i was in the reloading supply biz back during the previous shortage. saw the very same things happening prior to the election of barry o. anyone who couldn't see the forest for the trees was just s.o.l. i vowed to never run out of supplies after that ordeal. when things got back to normal i bought at least a 10yr supply of the calibers i reload, which is all the common and many of the uncommon. the unfortunate thing this time is, thing may not get back to normal. primers are still a problem if you want more that a couple of thousand at a time and some calibers of jacketed bullets are very hard to find yet today. btw, i love hearing the whiners complain about prices. why didn't you buy when things were cheap?
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Well, rburg said it the long way, but he said it right. There was an "ammo shortage" back in the 90's, but there hasn't been one since, at least not at my house. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

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i was in the reloading supply biz back during the previous shortage. saw the very same things happening prior to the election of barry o. anyone who couldn't see the forest for the trees was just s.o.l. i vowed to never run out of supplies after that ordeal. when things got back to normal i bought at least a 10yr supply of the calibers i reload, which is all the common and many of the uncommon. the unfortunate thing this time is, thing may not get back to normal. primers are still a problem if you want more that a couple of thousand at a time and some calibers of jacketed bullets are very hard to find yet today. btw, i love hearing the whiners complain about prices. why didn't you buy when things were cheap?
Yep, I learned my lesson with the "Clinton Scare." As I stated in my earlier post, even though all the bad predictions didn't come true, I still accumulated a bunch of ammo and saved a good bit of money in the long run, simply because of inflation and price increases.

The discouraging thing now is that a "lifetime supply" for me ain't nearly as much as it was back in '94.
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btw, I love hearing the whiners complain about prices. Why didn't you buy when things were cheap?
The whiners are hindsight visionaries. For all their brilliance, the election of Hussein caught them half stepping.
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What do you mean if he gets reelected? I personally think he doesn't stand a chance..
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What do you mean if he gets reelected? I personally think he doesn't stand a chance..
I'll drink to that!
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Old 05-25-2010, 03:31 PM
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Argue as you will, I'm buying everything I can afford while waiting for the other shoe to drop. Obamalamadingdong and his henchmen haven't given up, they just don't have the stomach for the fight this close to mid term elections.
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Whenever That UPS guy pulls in the driveway, my wife says: there you go, helping the economy again.
I see buying extra ammo the same way. No harm in getting an extra box from the local sporting goods store every now and again.
I've voted both parties over the years (try and do my homework to avoid the idiots) and don't give a hoot about any of them on a personal level because they certainly don't know who I am.

That being said, I like to enjoy my life and not get stressed over politics.
If it's a sunny Sunday afternoon and I can take an old friend shootin', my day just got better. I can't blame anyone for buying up extra ammo.

Just remember... As long as "goods" are taxable, the government isn't going to get rid of it(them) any time soon.
Just have fun shootin"!
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Old 05-25-2010, 05:24 PM
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[That being said, I like to enjoy my life and not get stressed over politics.
If it's a sunny Sunday afternoon and I can take an old friend shootin', my day just got better. I can't blame anyone for buying up extra ammo.

Just remember... As long as "goods" are taxable, the government isn't going to get rid of it(them) any time soon.
Just have fun shootin"!

Very well said. I have nothing against buying extra and never said I did. My beef was with those that went crazy. It's kinda difficult to go shootin' and have fun when there isn't much ammo available. Isn't it good to be able to stroll down to the store to get a few extra boxes? It makes me feel good to go to the range and go through ammo and at least be able to replace it without fighting the paniced masses.
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What do you mean if he gets reelected? I personally think he doesn't stand a chance..

That's what they said the first time...
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I WOULD RATHER BUY IT NOW THAN WISH I HAD LATTER
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It makes me feel good to go to the range and go through ammo and at least be able to replace it without fighting the paniced masses.
That's not the reality of the situation. Stock your shelves and reload.
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Call it paranoia or 20/20 hindsight or whatever, early last year, around the time of The Bamster's coronation, the arms and ammo rush was the ONLY segment of the economy that was showing any growth.

Yes, prices are still high. I look for sales.

Yes, some stuff is still hard to get (.357 mag oddly enough). I reload.

You don't have to have it all right now, but with enough time and patience, you'll get it eventually.
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I got mine. Moulds, lead and linotype. Brass, powder and primers. Dillon 550B. I just hope the eyes and trigger finger hold out long enough to use it all.
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Wow I thought this thread died out and lo and behold it popped up again. So exactly what did Obama have to do with the ammo shortage. Nothing but getting elected... You (in general) did it to the rest of us with rumours and straight out panic. That made me sick to my stomach. I don't care how much you buy but don't scream the sky is falling and then when it doesn't don't have the gumption to admit you were wrong. I never said I don't buy ammo and don't stock ammo. I got plenty and I buy in bulk also when I need to. The faces of the masses that were hitting the stores said it all.
When O and Hillary were vying for the nomination, and they both promised not to take away our firearms, I actually looked up their voting records as senators, on firearms issues. Both had records that were dismal. I had no reason to believe either one of them, and I still don't.

On the bright side, I now have more ammo and components than I will probably shoot for the rest of my life, and I'm not done stocking up by a long shot!
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I stocked up on needful things prior to the election..and smiled while the post-election feeding frenzy upped the price of S&W and Olin stock. Being prepared is never a bad thing...just much easier and less costly to do so before a storm is on the horizon.
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