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Old 08-09-2010, 06:44 PM
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Test of the Winchester PDX1 Bonded .380, 95 gr Personal Protection Test of the Winchester PDX1 Bonded .380, 95 gr Personal Protection Test of the Winchester PDX1 Bonded .380, 95 gr Personal Protection Test of the Winchester PDX1 Bonded .380, 95 gr Personal Protection Test of the Winchester PDX1 Bonded .380, 95 gr Personal Protection  
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Default Test of the Winchester PDX1 Bonded .380, 95 gr Personal Protection

I did this as there was a discussion in the Lounge about the Ruger LCP and if .380 JHP expand. I posted it there as well as here. I normally carry the Remington Golden Sabers 102 gr or the Speer Gold Dots in my LCP. I thought I would try these Winchesters as they were a good price( if there is such a thing for .380 JHP) Plus they come in a really fancy, nice looking box.

Anyway, first the disclaimer. I did this as I am crazy. I do not recommend it, nor does this forum. Kids do not try this at home. Use at you own risk and whatever disclaimer you care to insert. I am not responsible, just ask my wife.

The "scientific" test set up is as follows.

Gun: Ruger LCP.380

I filled a 5 gal bucket with ripped up newspaper (large pieces) and around 3 gallons of water. It was very dense. More solid than liquid.

To prevent splash back I put a double piece of cardboard (skin?)box on top and laid a old hand towel to simulate a shirt.

To avoid the water draining out, I shot the rounds, straight down into the covered bucket at a distance of 3 feet or so above the covered bucket

Fired 2 of the Winchester PDX (they are on the top) and one Remington Golden Saber (102) gr which is what I had in the gun at the time.

I fired them one at a time and then dug them out. All three penetrated 9-10"

The Winchesters fully expanded, the Remington not as much.

So there you have it. Yes, they expand, no they are not a 9mm or a 40 SW but in my opinion they are sufficent to cause serious harm.

I am not a ballistics nut, nor do I want to get into a ballistic discussion of what is better. This was only to see how a .380 can and does expand.





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Thanks for the information. Looks like this should be a good round for the .380.
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Old 08-09-2010, 07:00 PM
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I never doubted that 380 expands. I prefer the deep penetration of hard ball in this round.
The fancy box is alluring though...I saw some of this ammo in 38spl 130gn at walmart, and bought a box...havn't shot any yet.
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I never doubted that 380 expands. I prefer the deep penetration of hard ball in this round.
The fancy box is alluring though...I saw some of this ammo in 38spl 130gn at walmart, and bought a box...havn't shot any yet.
That was part of the discussion. If the JHP does not expand it pretty much remains a Ball type bullet. Unless the person is a very large man, 9-10" of penetration is just about all the way through a person at the chest. Not counting larger beer guts.
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