Smith & Wesson Forum

Advertise With Us Search
Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > Ammunition-Gunsmithing > Ammo

Notices

Ammo All Ammo Discussions Go Here


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-20-2010, 07:40 PM
hoser hoser is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 215
Likes: 0
Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Default Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo?

I've found pistols don't have much difference in point of impact.

But do revolvers have pretty big differences with different weight bullets and loads? I'm considering changing my adjustable into fixed, but want to load it with heavy cast bullets in woods and lighter hollowpoints in the city.

Should I just keep them adjustable?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-20-2010, 07:57 PM
murphydog's Avatar
murphydog murphydog is offline
Moderator
Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo?  
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 26,899
Likes: 989
Liked 19,022 Times in 9,307 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hoser View Post
I've found pistols don't have much difference in point of impact.

But do revolvers have pretty big differences with different weight bullets and loads? I'm considering changing my adjustable into fixed, but want to load it with heavy cast bullets in woods and lighter hollowpoints in the city.

Should I just keep them adjustable?
Yes, revolvers can have significant changes with bullet weight and velocity. I suspect the range of weights and powder charges that will reliably cycle a semi-auto handgun probably limits how different loads will print to an extent. A revolver will "cycle" anything that makes it out the muzzle...

Before the sight conversion, why not try both proposed loads at various distances? It may surprise you how much (or little) the POI changes and you can decide on the sight swap accordingly.
__________________
Alan
SWCA LM 2023, SWHF 220
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-20-2010, 08:10 PM
P&R Fan P&R Fan is offline
Member
Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo?  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: NE Iowa
Posts: 5,450
Likes: 1,956
Liked 3,499 Times in 1,287 Posts
Default

Heavier bullets will impact higher on the target due to the fact they recoil more, and spend a bit more time in the barrel because they are slightly slower than a lighter bullet. The lighter bullet gets out a millisecond faster and recoils a bit less, so it's not as effected by the muzzle rise of the recoil. At least that's the theory.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-21-2010, 12:05 AM
shooter7 shooter7 is offline
Member
Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo?  
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Illinois
Posts: 132
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

I noticed quite a bit of difference in a model 64, between the 110gr./130gr. load and the 158gr. stuff. The light stuff shoots a noticeable amount lower, even at under 50 feet.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-21-2010, 09:48 AM
Larry from Bend Larry from Bend is offline
Member
Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo?  
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: NC Montana
Posts: 853
Likes: 90
Liked 483 Times in 201 Posts
Default

I would characterize the difference as small -- I have seen MAYBE 1.5" to 2" @ 25 yards from a 125 to a 158 .38/357 in my guns. In some revolvers, especially those with shorter barrels, there is hardly any difference. My .44 (a 5" 629) shoots 285 grainers maybe 2 inches higher than 200 grainers.

I think you would find that, generally, revolvers are no different than pistols in this regard. My H&K .40 shoots 180s MAYBE 2" higher than 135s.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-21-2010, 11:04 AM
JohnnieB's Avatar
JohnnieB JohnnieB is offline
US Veteran
Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo?  
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: West Virginia
Posts: 672
Likes: 0
Liked 30 Times in 17 Posts
Default

Whatever you decide to do with the sights, you’ll most likely sight your revolver in with load you use most often and use “Kentucky Windage” for the others, like I suspect the rest of us do.
Even with the most user friendly adjustable sights made, I cannot imagine anyone (other than some very dedicated competition shooters) going through the sighting-in process every time they switch to a different load.

Personally, I practice with 148gr LWC, 158gr LSWC or 158gr LRN in my short barrel .38Spl revolvers and carry 135gr SB +P GDHPs.
The POI vs POA stays well within a MOBG (Minute of Bad Guy) out to 25Yds, so they more or less shoot where I point them at self defense distances.

On the other hand, you may have stumbled on a justifiable need to buy another revolver.

John
__________________
Age + Treachery = JohnnieB
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-22-2010, 09:57 AM
Dogguy Dogguy is offline
Member
Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo?  
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 170
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times in 7 Posts
Default

The only revolvers I currently use are snubbies. They are short range handguns for me. I'm not a good enough shot with them to really tell much difference in POI. As long as I can keep five quick shots within the central or head area of a B-27 target out to about 10 yards or so, I'm fine with POI. That's within my zone of operator error.

I also agree on the Kentucky windage philosophy. If you're a good shot and can group your hits tightly, you can pretty much be sure where the hits will land. Then you can adjust your POA to the POI.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-29-2010, 04:16 PM
OKFC05 OKFC05 is offline
Member
Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo?  
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 8,161
Likes: 3,620
Liked 5,210 Times in 2,174 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hoser View Post
I've found pistols don't have much difference in point of impact.

But do revolvers have pretty big differences with different weight bullets and loads? I'm considering changing my adjustable into fixed, but want to load it with heavy cast bullets in woods and lighter hollowpoints in the city.
Youu must be shooting at short range.
My .45 1911 requires 3 clicks down at 25yds going from 200gr to 230gr.
My model 686 is about the same going from 125gr to 158gr.
__________________
Science plus Art
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-29-2010, 04:39 PM
38-44HD45 38-44HD45 is offline
Absent Comrade
Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo? Do revolvers have significant poi difference w/ammo?  
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Lubbock, TX, US
Posts: 1,217
Likes: 2
Liked 49 Times in 30 Posts
Default

The principal reason that revolvers show a greater difference in POI than autos with different bullet weights is the higher bore axis of revolvers. If you're comparing an auto with a high boreline, like an HK or one of the older Smith autos (pre-M&P) you'll see that there is less difference between the revolver and the auto. When you go to really heavy-for-caliber bullets in a revolver, like 180s in a .357 or 300s or 320s in a .44, you may see a huge difference. With my .44 Mountain Guns, I can crank the rear sight all the way down, and 300-grainers still hit 6" or so above POA at 25 yards.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
1911, 38spl, 629, 686, model 686, sig arms


Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What's the significant difference between Bull Barrel & Pencil Barrel? Doug.38PR S&W Revolvers: 1961 to 1980 29 08-15-2016 11:44 PM
Significant difference in timing between single and double action? Hapworth S&W-Smithing 5 10-21-2013 10:56 PM
Why such a difference in value between 625 and 610 revolvers? Lou_NC S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present 34 07-15-2013 02:17 AM
Difference in 45ACP Revolvers??? Retired LTC, USAR S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present 12 02-18-2011 03:52 PM
2" barrel revolvers, will +P make a difference? john1951 S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present 14 02-14-2011 11:12 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:19 AM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)