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Appalachian Emancipator .44 Special 180 gn XTP-HP uses a flash suppressed powder that delivers 1140 fps.
Their Appalachian Emancipator 44. Magnum delivers over 1400 fps. (Six inch barrel.)
Available at: Appalachian Ammo - Home
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Great link, Jeff. I never heard of this company. Their ammo looks interesting......
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For the Sake of disclosure and clarity; I am the Company's President, Sales Rep and Janitor. We are a new outfit (located in the western foothills) in Maine. We are Federally Licensed and insured.
One of the Forum members, Retired W-4, posted his report over on the ".41 Mag Ammo" thread. He bought some 41 mag in lead and some of our 357 magnum 125gn xtp hps.
We have had great reports on our .44 Mag 240gn xtp, our 45 LC 250gn XTP (Ruger/ TC) Ammo and our flash suppressed 125gn XTP 357 Magnum has some locals folks talking. We also make some dandy remanufactured HPs in 9mm and 40 cal. and 45 acp.
Plans are to introduce some new product lines in 9x18 MAK, 38S&W. Some rifle calibers will be trickling in over the Winter/Spring 2012.
Regards,
Jeff
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Jeff, just visited your site, I reload, but I'll pass your info around, good luck with your new business!
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That's some fine shootin' Nemo......
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That's some fine shootin' Nemo......
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TYVM. I have a feeling this gun shoots better than I do.
I am 62 and don't see as well as I did when I took up shooting
more than 30 years ago.
The 44 spl loaded right can make anyone a good shooter. There
is a reason this old dog has hung around for 100 years.
The 4" 624 is becoming a cult gun like the 696 although not
with the insanity level attached to the latter. Unlike the 696
it's popularity is due to the fact that it may be one of the most
accurate guns S&W has ever made.
Considering when it was made and the problems the company
had at the time it's a bright star shining from a dark cloud.
And maybe another testament to the inherent accuracy of the
cartridge itself.
Always remember Skeeter made me buy them
He knew what he was talking about.
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My model 29-2 6 1/2" I always carry is loaded with PMC Eldoado Starfire 240 grain jacketed HP.
Keep the same loads in two speed loaders as well.
Recoil dosn't seem to be to bad, putting you back on target quickly.
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You might look here:
ANTI-PERSONNEL 44 Special Pistol and Handgun Ammo
ANTI-PERSONNEL 44 MAG.
I'm getting their standard pressure .38 Special with the gas-checked 158 grain LSWCHP for my S&W Model 37.
ECS
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I would like to see what happens when a 200 grain wadcutter hits at 1300 fps. I bet it is messy. It probably doesn't fly to well at longer ranges though.
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A friend bought a Thunder Ranch .44 Special a few years ago with the thoughts of carrying as his everyday gun. He bought every available .44 Special round and found after extensive expansion testing that none of them expanded worth a ****. JHPs at under 900 fps and some under 800 just didn't expand and that included the above listed Speer 200 grain .44 Special.
He then bought a 3" S&W 629 PC Ported and I gave him some of the Speer 200 grain .44 Magnum Short Barrel Loads. He sent back pics that every one turned inside out and some even lost their petals. The recoil is very mild but the velocity is more than enough to guaranty expansion from a 3" barrel.
As for controlability...NE450 and I have a friend who put three rounds of the Remington 240 scolloped JHP into a guy at 10 yards in less than 2 seconds. The first round started him backwards, the second kept pushing him back on his heals and the third round caught him angling backwards...and all three bullets fully expanded and stayed inside the guy. A great all-around load if you can handle it. This was from a 29-2 6.5" nickel gun...
Jacketed bullets need a lot of velocity to expand properly unless it is designed with a BIG DEEP HP like the 200 grain Gold Dot has. I was so impressed with them I bought a 629 Mountain Gun to shoot them out of as Speer doesn't have a similar bullet in .41. They also work great in my friends 329PD.
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I would like to see what happens when a 200 grain wadcutter hits at 1300 fps. I bet it is messy. It probably doesn't fly to well at longer ranges though.
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That one would figure to be an "up close and personal" load. I calculate that the 180 grain gas-checked, LSWC-HP, in .44 Magnum would be a real fight stopper! At close range, the hollowpoint might blow apart and cause multiple wound tracks, leaving the base to drive on through, or it could just expand to the size of a quarter, stop, and stop whatever you shot with it.
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Good thread......I use to really enjoy the 357mag,then I started shooting the 44,I dont shoot full magnum loads in my 29's I dont want to beat them up or myself ...I have it loaded with specials for H D,
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200 grain gdhp at 1070 fps from 44 mag. This bullet is extremely accurate and controllable in every 44 caliber handgun tried in so far. If your revolver is sighted in for 240 grainers, the poi changes substancially and you may have to crank the rear site up to the top, especially with the older models.
Easy to handload for these velocitys with the powders listed in Speer's manual. 180 jhps (rem or hdy) at 1250 fps are also very good.
44 mag is very versaltile, and bulky quick burning powders can be used.
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Yep. The 200gr GD is a winner. It is designed for use in the 44 Special
and AFAIK it should be kept under magnum velocities. The 210
is the magnum number.
I also use the 200 GD in both calibers with great success.
Stock up on those bullets. They are sometimes hard to get. Midway is back ordered right now.
I have a few hundred in the cart right now.
The noses of these bullets are so soft I have yet to find a seating die insert that doesn't deform them
a little. Sure doesn't seem to affect their flight any judging by the above target.
...Nemo...
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I was looking at all of the data I could find and out of a 3" or shorter barrel a 44 special or 44 Mag does not give you much over a +P 45 ACP except you can use those nasty BB Full wadcutters. The downside is also increased blast and recoil. Am I wrong? I love my 44 mag snubbies as much as the next guy but a 45 is a good concealed carry option.
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The .45ACP has been taking out bad guys since 1911.
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I have shot several deer with 225 gain HP and JSP from 20 out to 125 yards, never had a running deer go more than 5-10 yards, if standing they dropped in their tracks.
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I was looking at all of the data I could find and out of a 3" or shorter barrel a 44 special or 44 Mag does not give you much over a +P 45 ACP except you can use those nasty BB Full wadcutters. The downside is also increased blast and recoil. Am I wrong? I love my 44 mag snubbies as much as the next guy but a 45 is a good concealed carry option.
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I've always loved the.45, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the round, particularly with the Barnes loads. I carry .45's, as well as N frame .41 and .44's. There are advantages to the mags, they expand to a larger diameter and offer the advantage of different levels of loads. For example I carry the GD SB's in my 3" 29, however, my speed loaders carry 180 gr Fed's and 300 gr Hornady's. I figure by reload time, barriers could very well be an issue, the 180's offer a good combo of penetration and expansion, the 300's are barrier busters. The disadvantage of course is 6 rounds and speed loaders vs 8-10 rounds of .45 and mag changes.
I carry multiple guns, which offsets limited capacity concerns.
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I've always loved the.45, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the round, particularly with the Barnes loads. I carry .45's, as well as N frame .41 and .44's. There are advantages to the mags, they expand to a larger diameter and offer the advantage of different levels of loads. For example I carry the GD SB's in my 3" 29, however, my speed loaders carry 180 gr Fed's and 300 gr Hornady's. I figure by reload time, barriers could very well be an issue, the 180's offer a good combo of penetration and expansion, the 300's are barrier busters. The disadvantage of course is 6 rounds and speed loaders vs 8-10 rounds of .45 and mag changes.
I carry multiple guns, which offsets limited capacity concerns.
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Good plan.
I have often wondered if hauling a howitzer behind the truck would be a good deterrent.
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