Are they the same round? George

It is the same cartridge.

Would have simply said YES, but need 10 characters minimum.

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Thank you! I had seen all my ammo was marked Luger and I know I had see Parabellum somplace. It is stamped on the gun.. Only had one other 9mm years ago it was a Taurus PT99. Just got a S&W 6906. I guess Luger it's just the Name used by the Germans because of there 9mm Luger..

Parabellum is two Latin words squished together that mean "For War"

Most interesting!! Thank you! george

You'll also find them refered to as 9x19mm.

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There are many different ways that the 9mm Luger cartridge has been designated including: 9Para, 9Parab., 9mmP, 9P, 9x19mm, 9x19, 9mm x 19, etc.

Thanks for the replies guy's! I just wanted to make sure as I'm not familiar with that cartridge. I had .45 for 20+ years and never felt the need for another caliber till I felt the need for a high cap gun. I know what 9mm felt like years ago having that Taurus PT99. Now having this Smith I'm not kicking myself anymore for selling the PT99.. My 2 .45's are Officer's mod ser. 80 Colts mark IV and I also have a Smith & Wesson 4566 The colts only held 6 rounds 7 with a after market mag and as you know the 4566 holds 8 rounds.. I just feel better now that I have more of a choice depending on were I'm going and what I'm doing.. George

Also called 9mm P '08

9X19mm = 9mm Luger/9mm Parabellum
9X18mm = 9mm Makarov
9X17mm = 380 Auto, 380 ACP, 9mm Short, 9mm Kurz, 9mm Browning 9mm Corto. (and maybe a few more! LOL)

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ArchAngelCD,
Thanks! From your post I can see what 9mm ammo i can't use in my gun as well as what I can use! Thanks! George

Actually parabellum means 'prepare for war'

Si vis pacem, para bellum is a Latin adage translated as, "If you wish for peace, prepare for war"

Actually, the 9 x 18 mm cartridge is known as the Ultra. It was developed as a police load with a view to it not being able to utilize the 9 x 19 mm military round. It does share the same bullet diameter and has some popularity where ownership of military caliber pistols isn't permitted (Italy being one example).

9mm Makarov uses a different groove diameter for it's bullets, so referring to it as 9 x 18 mm isn't really accurate or correct. It would more correctly be a 9.2 x 18 mm.

Lets also not forget 9 x 21, 9 x 23, 9 x 25 Dillon, plus more!!!

Cheers,

Aussie D

As I understand it, the labelling of the cartridge as 9mm Luger was done by the first American company to market ammunition in that caliber, (I believe this was in the early 20's?), in order to capitalize on the Lugers which were being imported or had been brought back after World War I. The pistol already had good name recognition, and was the only widespread 9mm Parabellum at the time .

being a novice reloader of 9mm, I pinch and pitch, anything not stamped Luger.
Good info here tho.

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Actually...it is a Roman adage....Latin is the language couldn't resist...

FWIW , the proper name of the pistol is the P-08 Parabellum. 'Luger' was the name of the pistols designer Georg Luger , and is a trademark of Stoeger , the guns original US importer.

There was a thread on this same subject some time back. At the time the 'Luger' was developed, there were a slew of various 9mm cartridges in use that would not fit the P-08. Examples would be: 9mm Browning Long, 9mm Largo, 9mm Bergman-Bayard, 9mm Steyr and some others I can't recall.

Stoegers decision to label both ammo and pistol as "Luger" solved the ammo identification issue in the marketplace and probably avoided loss of business due to confusion. The name stuck here in the US.

Georg Luger developed the 9mm cartridge that you refer to and so "9mm Luger" was the commonly used designation for years, especially in Europe. 9mm parabellum became a popularized by one of the manufacturers (DWM) of the P.08 (commonly called "the Luger") and stuck, especially on this side of the ocean. There are lots of different 9mm cartridges these days and back then and they were always trying to find ways to easily ID them. As mentioned above, the Germans still refer to .380 ACP as 9mm Kurz (German for "short") for instance, but after awhile everyone had a different name for the same cartridges. Currently, 9x19 seems to be the more popular reference, but in military circles is often also called "9mm NATO".

In other words, they're the same.

Well, maybe not exactly the same. 124 grain NATO spec loads are much closer to +P than standard 9x19 loads. NATO loads exceed the standard SAAMI loads by about 1000 psi (out of about 35,000 psi).

However (big however), the actual specs of an individual NATO country's military loads can be whatever it chooses as long as it will safely function in any NATO country's weapons. The result is a variety of "NATO loads", some of which are less powerful than the spec.

Buck

9X21 38 super

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Buck is right, some NATO is hot, some is not, and I had completely forgot.