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I am officially declaring myself an ammo shortage conspiracy theorist. I can no longer believe that the ammo pipeline has been sucked so dry that even after or going on a month there are not signs of a recovery, That goes for mags too.. from stores to internet suppliers that would have them in quantities to be at normal prices. No BX 25 mags in a month? Even directly from Ruger...?
There is just something wrong about all this...I smell something that stinks.
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I would say this is the worst shortage since WW2. Not just firearms and ammo,but even holsters and other accessories.
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This is why we constantly preach to the newer guys about buying ammo as often as u can afford to. I've made it a habit for the past few years to purchase some ammo weekly. When i find it on sale, i purchase a little more. I will bring my lunch to work, just so I can have extra money to buy ammo at the end of the week.

My point is, there is nothing wrong with buying ammo from time to time, even if u dont need it at the moment. Because when times like this come around, u'll be good to go and wont have to risk spending 4x's the amount of money on ammo @ market price.

I always tell my ole lady that no matter what, someday my ammo will get used. So its not like im spending money and never using what i bought. I'll either bring it to the range from time to time, or i'll have it for when the SHTF. Either way it goes, its money well spent.
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It's no worse than 4 years ago.

And there's no shortage at my house.

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And there's no shortage at my house.

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The only ammo around me is 17hmr, 45 acp and 30-06. Everything else has been empty since re-election
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Gun Shows have had little or no ammo for the last month, at least the last 3 I went to, the 1st one guys had 2 wheel carts hauling it out the door, picked clean in a couple of hours.
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I've been buying something every week for a few years or at least trying to if finances allowed. I could usually swing a box of something at least & have built up a decent stock except for .22lr.

I never imagined a .22 shortage it was always everywhere.
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SGammo.com sold 180 5000rd cases of CCI 22LR in 30 minutes!! Thats almost a million 22LR rounds gone in half an hour.They where selling them for $32/500 they used to be $19/500.
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I've been to two gun shows the last two weekends. People are buying anything and everything. Especially ammo. The stuff is selling by the case. Dealers are selling completely out. Reloading supplies are also selling out. Right now there are no small pistol or small rifle primers to be found anywhere.
I went through 94 and 08. This is far worse. Estimates of up to two years before supplies get caught up.
Its no conspiracy, its a full blown panic.
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.45 ACP is the way to go. Its all over the shelves down here. Including Bass Pro and Academy. Just remember this for the next time **** like this starts to happen.
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.45 ACP is the way to go. Its all over the shelves down here. Including Bass Pro and Academy. Just remember this for the next time **** like this starts to happen.
Next time it may be different. Pays to have a gun or two in each major caliber. Click all the boxes. Could be next time all you can get is 10mm, er sumptin.
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A couple of days ago a co-worker stopped at the local gun shop. They had just got in some 40cal and 45acp. He bought a case of 40cal for something like $170+tax. So some is leaking through and the shop is not gouging.
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ammo shortage conspiracy theorist? It almost looks like some one is arming them selfs. What ever could cause that? May need to cut back on range time and save it for something else.
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Charles Mackay Extraordinary Popular Delusions, The Madness of Crowds

100 rd. 22lr packs of the better quality brands are returning to the shelves in the local stores. Bulk is still hard to find.
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I am a firm believer in diversity. I have plenty in .22LR, 380, .38 spl, .357 mag, .9mm. 45acp ,10mm, and 44 magnum. AS well as .223 and 7.62. I started the thread. I did not say I was short. Just that I am in shops almost daily and there is just nothing out there. Maybe it's panic buying...maybe something else
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There does not appear to be a shortage of twenty cent .22LR rounds, just the four cent ones.
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I'm not going back to the range until everything settles. In this case, i should say. I'm not going back to the range until gas prices go back below $2.00 a gallon.
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Next time it may be different. Pays to have a gun or two in each major caliber. Click all the boxes. Could be next time all you can get is 10mm, er sumptin.
Very true. My last trip out looking for a synthetic stock, I noticed that the only thing on the shelves were .40 S&W
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Last night, a 550 round box or WalMart Federal 22 cartridges sold on Gunbroker for $84 + $20 shipping.

How crazy is this going to get before it gets better? The shipping charge alone is more than the retail price of the ammo.
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At these prices, I'm having a hard time not selling my stash. Even though I handload, I've picked up a ton of .22 LR and mil-surp over the years. If I kept the rimfire, I could probably still pay off the house.
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O-boy!!!!!

I just found a guy offering 6K rounds of .22 ammo for sale. He also has a picture of 7 (SEVEN!) BX-25 mags shown...

I texted him how much? He replied make an offer...

I offered $300...

Waiting for a reply....

What is this package worth right now? It's hard to say. Realistically if you get the BX-25 mags they are going for $85 a pop!!

And even .22 ammo is crazy.

If I make a deal on this I'm going to sell some of the mags.... I don't need 7!
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I think all of the hysteria and concern is fueling this....kind of like some of the gas shortages several years ago, where people re-fueled their tanks constantly...a lot of the gas was sitting, stored in cars! People are so worried about it that many are just buying all they get their hands on...guaranteeing a shortage in the short term, and the more talk and worry about, the worse it will become...........
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The guy wants $700...
If I figure 4 cents a round x 6K that's $240
The seven mags used to sell for under $30 a pop, will they get back to that eventually? Who knows? But even at $50 that's $350 for 7 of them, so even $600 is too much...

I asked how much for the mags and he said $300... So that's $43 each....

What to do.... What to do.....

Update: I offered they guy $250 for the mags and he said he'd think about it. No response back yet. In the mean time I ordered 5 from Ruger at $32 each, plus $3 each shipping, so $35 total. We'll see when they come in....
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I suspect everyone is stocking up and hoarding ammo because they fear the government is going to try and over tax, control, or ban guns and ammo. It's not just preppers', but gun owners in general who are fearful and stocking up on ammo. A well armed civilian populace may be the only defence we have against an increasingly socialist government. A ban on civilians owning guns is exactly what happened in Russia during the 1800's. And you see how that went down. We may be in trouble if we don't ban together and resist and protest the loss of our rights.
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You are exactly right. We think it can't happen here, but it is done one step at a time. Check the newly proposed law for Maryland. New descriptions of guns, all kinds of new bans, can't even own ammo for banned firearms, and an estimated $335 cost every 5 years to be checked, fingerprinted, and licenses just to RENT or purchase your favorite Glock! Feinstein wants to ban everything. We have to stand our ground, and not only fight this but take back ground lost - like Illinois!

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The guy wants $700...
If I figure 4 cents a round x 6K that's $240
The seven mags used to sell for under $30 a pop, will they get back to that eventually? Who knows? But even at $50 that's $350 for 7 of them, so even $600 is too much...

I asked how much for the mags and he said $300... So that's $43 each....

What to do.... What to do.....

Update: I offered they guy $250 for the mags and he said he'd think about it. No response back yet. In the mean time I ordered 5 from Ruger at $32 each, plus $3 each shipping, so $35 total. We'll see when they come in....
CCI High vel is $8 a box of 100. So 6000 rounds should be $480. Even at $10 a box which is way to much it would be $600. I would tell this guy to pound salt. I would wait for Ruger on the mags too. They just filled a guys back order from 12/27 yesterday on BX25's
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In talking to the three LGS they said the first wave was regular customers stocking up a little. The second wave was regular customers and non regular shooters buying things they thought MIGHT be banned but never wanted bad enough to buy previously. Next round was people with the attitude "I've never really owned a firearm but I don't like the idea of not being able to buy one in the future. What do you recommend?" The current wave is people saying "What type of firearm can you sell me that you also have ammo for?".

So far the shortages have not effected me but in 2009 when the local range opened it was impossible to get a lane because of all the new shooters.
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[QUOTE=walnutred;136969849]In talking to the three LGS they said the first wave was regular customers stocking up a little. The second wave was regular customers and non regular shooters buying things they thought MIGHT be banned but never wanted bad enough to buy previously. Next round was people with the attitude "I've never really owned a firearm but I don't like the idea of not being able to buy one in the future. What do you recommend?" The current wave is people saying "What type of firearm can you sell me that you also have ammo for?".

Don't forget that small segment of people that are buying up anything firearm related as an investment/for future sale. I have a couple of co-workers that have been scouring the planet for ammo, mags, ar15s and they don't have any desire to keep them. One of them has been burning up his credit card and another couple just did a 500 mile round trip drive looking for and I quote "Anything".
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There is no conspiracy...it's just that many gun owners in the country are panicky sheep who run whichever way the wind blows.

.22 ammo is cheap enough that even a poor man can hoard it.

Next you have to throw in the "speculators" who will spend a bunch of money thinking they'll be able to flip it all for a profit forever...these people are related to the same speculators who lost their collective butts in the real estate bubble recently.

Next you have new gun owners who just want something to shoot...sucks to be them.

You also have normal shooters who can't get the stuff they would have been shooting anyway without all this commotion.

It'll all blow over after a while.

Years from now when the hoarders start passing away their kids are going go be going through their belongings and wondering "what they heck were they doing with all this .22 ammo?"

I've been loading .44 and .41 mag all week...I'll keep shooting what I want...one of the benefits of being a reloader.
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Yesterday at the Greensboro Gun Show, a box of 50 .22LR was around $4-$5/box depending on brand. Federal bulk box of 550 was $40-$50. s
Sure glad I bought a few weeks ago...could easily double my money. Trouble with me is I'm so old, I can remember when a box of 50 .22LR was 50 cents, not $5!
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And I remember it for .39 a box and we bought it at Monkey_wards, Sears and the local hardware store.. and NEVER had a FTF. I think shorts were not much more than a quarter. I wish I had bought more .22's., but I was having a hard time swallowing 23.95 for 550 rounds (bucket-o-bullets)... When the price tripled the last time this happened... The three year ago price of $7.99 was alot better,, I cant' believe it cost the manufacture three times that now... someone is making alot more $$.
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BINGO !!!!! And that is what pisses me OFF.
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While in Fort Myers last week looking for 22LR ammo I came across 10 boxes of Remington Thunderbolt. No doubt many of you are familiar with this junk, but I was not. Bought all 10 boxes. It is the most fouling, nasty ammo I have ever seen. It was all I could do to get my brush down the barrel. I ended up pushing fouling pieces 1 1/4 inches long out the barrel. Stay away from this junk. If you are aware of other ammo this bad please let me know. I don't want to experience that problem ever again.
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The local Wally got 10 cases of assorted .22's this morning. It was gone by 8:30 am. My "garage sale guy" (retired) got some he was willing to part with but I don't need any for 4 or 5 years. Also got a Colt 6920 which his partner bought for $1200 and was willing to "give" it to me for an extra few $hundred. Nah. Orlando show on Sat, don't want to shoot that bullet in my pocket just yet. Joe
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If I might paraphrase the poster in my lgs that says we can thank the greatest gun and ammunition salesman since the invention of the modern day firearm for the ammo shelves and gun cases being bare. His initials are bho small letters intended.
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The undertone here is that this shortage is caused or fueled by the G, which makes me think of something funny I read on a newspaper comment section. Somebody said it was time to bury guns, and the next guy said "If it's time to bury them, then it's time to dig them up." : )

Amen.

I wish the online sellers would find a way to say OUT OF STOCK on the serach results so I don't have to drill into their website only to learn I wasted my time.

I took the plunge a couple of times on GB and paid insane prices to have a couple of bricks. I hope the AHs that ran out and cleaned shelves to gouge the rest of us burn in hell, and I hope whoever says they're just capitalists and it's a fair matter of supply and demand blah blah burns too.
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In my area this is the worst ammo shortage I've ever seen in my lifetime. I've been a very active shooter since 1979. There has never been a time when I could not find the calibers I normally use in shootable quantities available for purchase. During the last panic, I could just about always find .22 LR at Wal-Mart as well as .40, .45 ACP and especially .38 Special. At the time I was not shooting 9mm. Nowadays there's practically nothing available.

I have talked with church members who remember the lack of ammunition during WWII. But one could still buy .22 LR ammunition.
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I was just at my local Walmart and they actually had 9mm, .40, .45 and some .22LR. Things are looking up!
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Last night I was at Walmart and decided to check out the ammo for 9mm. Just as I walked up a clerk came out with a box with a bunch of bows of Federal 9mm to put out. Two guys came over and one said he was a LEO and said he needed all of it so his officers could quailfy at the range. He told them they were out of ammo and they should sell him all of it since he was LEO.

I told the manager that is was wrong and that they should share some of the ammo with us. Then I got to thinking these guys had to be scamming the clerk. Well the cleck sold them all the 9mm and the only box of 357 plus all the 40.

I am sure that these guys are reselling this stuff. I never saw any ID indicating that they were really LEO.

I went to the front desk and told the manager and said why would the cops be buying ammo at Walmart? I hope they check this out because this has gotten out of hand. I mean its bad.

Yes I have my stock pile but if I shoot at the range two more times I will be out of 9mm and 38 spl.

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no,but is sounds about right. right now people will do almost anything to get what they want,whether to shoot or sell. the clerk was the usual wallyworld dumbo. should have made them produce their badges or i.d. and if they weren't, police should have been called and the two charged with impersonating an officer.
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Everything is still pretty scarce around here. A friend of mine is off work right now after having some surgery a few weeks ago. A few times he has gone to some stores when they had some ammo. He has bought his allowable amount, and he would take some other boxes and hide them in the store behind some other items that aren't popular. He then comes back later or the next day for his 2 or 3 box limit where he hid it. I wonder if he is not pulling my leg, because we always joke around, but I think he is serious. These are some desperate times for some.
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.45acp where do you live I'm down to about 3000 rounds need to replenish my supply. I like to keep at lest 4000 of each for times like these...
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We are experiencing the same here in Dayton OH
The local Wally stocks on Saturday night and starts to sell 7:00 am Sunday. I will be there in the morning I am interested in the theater of this. I hope to get some 9mm,I would like to go to the range and shoot my new DW Guardian !
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Today at the gunshow was really interesting. Sure were a bunch of "non-gun" people trying to buy. Some seemed really put out that I didn't accept plastic. Hint: Cash is king. Any one with adequate cash could buy all the 22 caliber ammo they wanted at 9:00 AM. You just had to be willing to pay. Its a sellers market. There seemed to be no shortage of 9mm, just a shortage of willing buyers. Saw a bunch of 12 ga ammo. Even some rifle ammo. But if you were interested you had to pay up. If you hesitated, the next guy along would purchase his fill. One guy seemed confident He could come back later to buy all he wanted. An hour later he seemed disappointed. Its kind of fun and very rewarding to sell into a sellers market.
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SGammo.com sold 180 5000rd cases of CCI 22LR in 30 minutes!! Thats almost a million 22LR rounds gone in half an hour.They where selling them for $32/500 they used to be $19/500.
A few months back sgammo offered 5,000rds of cci blazer ammo in 22lr for $250 shipped. Now its $39.95 a box of 50rds at ammotogo...

My LGS is out of all handgun ammo and some rifle ammo too. He said its all on order but when it arrives who knows.

Why 22lr ammo?? The 22lr ammo will put meat on the table up to deer sized game if the recession gets worse. Thats the only reason i stocked up on it. Why waste the bigger bore ammo.

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...I hope the AHs that ran out and cleaned shelves to gouge the rest of us burn in hell, and I hope whoever says they're just capitalists and it's a fair matter of supply and demand blah blah burns too.
Let me guess:
You didn't pay attention in 1994.
You didn't pay attention in 2008.
You didn't pay attention in November 2012.

You got caught unprepared in December 2012.

And now it's someone else's fault.
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Just got home a bit ago from LGS in town who mainly caters to only LEOS and Millitary both active or retired, and they had tons of ammo in stock with the exception of .22LR and .22Mag. The only other shelf that was not packed was the .38 Spec. and .357 mag. Lots of .223, 308, 30-06, 9mm, .40, 45 .380 etc. They had both Federal and Gold Dot in handgun carts, and Federal and PMC in rifle carts. Lots of Pulmags and other brands as well. About 8 or 9 S&W AR's on the wall and about the same of AR-15/22's w/threaded barrel and 25 round mag for $419. Not too much left in the handguns, but they said they expect a shipment in this week yet. They sell Beretta, Glock and S&W, and good old leather Safariland holsters, mag carriers, etc. This store is located in Montgomery, Alabama Gulf Coast Distributors is the name.
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Although I had a decent supply I helped a family member in need out. Times are tight and his business was struggling....so I offered him $200 for 1000 rounds of .22lr. It will allow me to shoot more and help him pay his rent. Win win.

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There's been so much 17 hmr I've almost considered buying a gun to be able to shoot all the stuff that IS on the shelves. Sad....

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