Need ammo clarification

[LL617]

If .45 colt the same thing as .45 Long Colt? Is it the same as .45 ACP or .45 GAP?

I think the spouse is getting me a Circuit Judge that shoots .410 shotgun or the .45 colt. I want to make sure I order the correct ammo.

Oh, is .410 shotgun used in a 20 gauge or 12 gauge? Or is it considered a separate category.

Thanks for the enlightment.

[jonesy814]

All those 45's you mentioned are different. The 410 shotgun round is just that, not a 20 or 12 gauge. The circuit judge takes 410 shot shells, and 45 long colt, not the acp or gap versions

[arjay]

410,20 and 12 are 3 different gauges.
45 colt and 45 long colt are the same thing.45 acp ,45 colt and 45 gap are 3 different calibers.

[murphydog]

.45 Colt is misnamed "Long". The .45 ACP is shorter and intended for semi-automatics, and the .45 GAP even shorter.

To answer your specific question, you can fire the .45 Colt and .410 shotshells in the Taurus. Their website does not state you can use .45 ACP.

The .410 shotgun refers to the bore diameter; the shotgun "gauges" originally referred to how many lead balls per pound.

[rburg]

Originally Posted by murphydog

.45 Colt is misnamed "Long".

We left out the 45 Auto Rim, aka Short Colt.

[gm272gs]

Shotgun gauge is kind of strange.

12 gauge means that it takes 12 spheres of solid lead the same size as the bore of the shotgun barrel, to equal one pound.

16 gauge = 16 balls to a pound
20 gauge = 20 balls to a pound
28 gauge - 28 balls to a pound

BUT

.410 is not so much a gauge as the actual bore diameter (410/1000 of an inch) if .410 was a gauge, it would be 67.62 gauge.

[CTG_COLLECTOR]

Originally Posted by rburg

We left out the 45 Auto Rim, aka Short Colt.

There is no such thing as a "45 Short Colt" cartridge. The .45 Auto Rim (.45 AR) is basically a .45 ACP cartridge with a rimmed case so it could be used in the Colt or S&W M1917 .45 ACP revolvers without the need for using half-moon clips.

[finstr]

Just for laughs try and drop a .410 shotshell into a 12ga and watch as it slides down and out the the end of the barrel. good fun....lol
But seriously, they're almost 1/2 the diameter. "cute" in comparison really.

[Mack]

The .45 "Short Colt" is the .45 S&W that was the standard issue military round while the S&W Schofield was an issue revolver. This was the standard ammo because the shorter S&W could be used in both the Schofield and the Colt SAA while the .45 Colt would only work in the SAA.

[murphydog]

Originally Posted by Mack

The .45 "Short Colt" is the .45 S&W that was the standard issue military round while the S&W Schofield was an issue revolver. This was the standard ammo because the shorter S&W could be used in both the Schofield and the Colt SAA while the .45 Colt would only work in the SAA.

This is one possible explanation for the origin of "Short Colt", but officially it was either called .45 S & W or S & W Schofield. Even in the late 1800s I doubt Smith & Wesson approved of "their" .45 being called a short version of their fierce competitor's round .

In either case, should the OP find a few cases of .45 Schofield at the Army surplus store, they are perfectly fine to use in his Taurus - just swab out all the black powder residue afterward .

[LL617]

Thanks for the information.

Spouse grew up getting to shoot shotguns occasionally on relative's farms. I didn't, nor am I familiar with rifles. Since I use a revolver for CWP, I got really excited to see a Circuit Judge. I believe the learning curve will be much less.

I have bought target shells for spouse when I got him shotgun for skeet shooting last Christmas. But an experienced shotgun shooter picked them out for me!

[LL617]

Originally Posted by finstr

Just for laughs try and drop a .410 shotshell into a 12ga and watch as it slides down and out the the end of the barrel. good fun....lol
But seriously, they're almost 1/2 the diameter. "cute" in comparison really.

Well, the .410 might not be good for elephants, then; but I am more concerned with those pesky "zombie" squirrels or two--legged prowlers who might be around when spouse is not. In that case, my 38Sp will be my backup.

[JJEH]

Originally Posted by arjay

410,20 and 12 are 3 different gauges.

.410 is a caliber, not a gauge.