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Old 03-14-2013, 02:00 AM
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I'm new to the forum and new to handguns as well. I'm hoping someone can help me with this issue so I don't get myself into trouble.

I bought a new SD9EV from Academy a week ago, and quickly discovered the ammunition shortage. As a temporary solution, I purchased 100 rounds of surplus from a friend at work. A few days later, in a random conversation, he mentioned he hadn't shot any of it yet. Then, just this evening, I was reading horror stories about NATO ammo in civilian guns, Paki ammo, etc. etc.

So, my question is whether anyone here can identify the ammo I bought. It's dated 1987, and I've scanned the label from one of the cardboard boxes. Any help with this will be much appreciated.

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Old 03-14-2013, 02:37 AM
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Pakistani ordnance factory 9mm. if its anything like their 303 british click bang or just click I wouldn't chance it. Just my two cents worth. Frank
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Old 03-14-2013, 06:25 AM
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Rule of thumb - if you have to ask, it probably isn't.
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:54 AM
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Military surplus 9 mm ammo -- never in my guns and definitely never in a polymer frame. It might be loaded to machine gun level pressure. I have a Para USA double stack nine with a heavy spring that digests anything commercially loaded, especially military, that would never be shot in my wife's Kimber. Remember, steel is real and stainless is real steel. Glockers -- carry on.
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:49 AM
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Rule of thumb - if you have to ask, it probably isn't.
Not really. Ive seen people here ask if PMC, PPU, even Hornady is safe!

Paki ammo is so so. Not the most consistent and it is on the hot side but i wouldnt worry about the polymer gun. Shot tons of it, along with other surplus 9mm in my Glocks and HK. The important part is that you have a quality gun to shoot it out of. I would shoot it out of an M&P if i had one in 9. There are plenty of steel guns i wouldnt trust that ammo in. The only steel guns i would put that in would be Colt/Springfield 1911 (basically anything quality forged or milled. No Spanish, CZ, or Philippine guns) and quality polymer guns. Glocks, HK, M&P, Walthers, older Sig (mid to late 90s). Dont know about the SD

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Old 03-14-2013, 09:05 AM
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Remember, steel is real and stainless is real steel.
Thats not correct when talking about guns. Its way too broad and makes it sound like any steel gun is better then a polymer gun. I'd like to see that ammo shot in the Llama 9mm. You know the ones that weren't heat treated. Or the CZ, which lately had a problem with breaking, snapping slide releases in half. Even the CZ RAMI has had problems with cracking in .40s&w. Or the older soft Colt 1911s from the 60s (I think it was the 60s. Could have been the 70s)! Or the slide and frame cracking on Tangfolio 10mm. Para's problem with cracked frames in 45.

On the other hand a quality stainless gun will handle that no problem.

The quality of the steel goes a long way and telling someone who is new to guns that "steel is real" is very wrong.

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I do not know, but would expect it to be corrosive. Clean your gun accordingly.
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The quality of the steel goes a long way and telling someone who is new to guns that "steel is real" is very wrong.
And when was the last time you saw a polymer gun or a Glock at a Bullseye match or bowling pin shoot ? Steel is still real, and stainless is real steel.

In the early 1990s there was 9 mm Korean (I think KYO 90 ?) that was so hot the primer and the primer pocket both stretched. The brass was resized, primer seated, case charged with powder, and bullet seated. As you moved the loaded round from the press to the cartridge box, air pressure "blew out" the primer. The brass could not be reloaded.
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Not really. Ive seen people here ask if PMC, PPU, even Hornady is safe!
So have I. It makes me wonder if, just maybe, some people shouldn't own guns.
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And when was the last time you saw a polymer gun or a Glock at a Bullseye match or bowling pin shoot ? Steel is still real, and stainless is real steel.

In the early 1990s there was 9 mm Korean (I think KYO 90 ?) that was so hot the primer and the primer pocket both stretched. The brass was resized, primer seated, case charged with powder, and bullet seated. As you moved the loaded round from the press to the cartridge box, air pressure "blew out" the primer. The brass could not be reloaded.
Would that have been the Daewoo......not a bad gun overall
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Would that have been the Daewoo......not a bad gun overall
Yes but I think he's talking about the Korean ammo
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And when was the last time you saw a polymer gun or a Glock at a Bullseye match or bowling pin shoot ? Steel is still real, and stainless is real steel.

In the early 1990s there was 9 mm Korean (I think KYO 90 ?) that was so hot the primer and the primer pocket both stretched. The brass was resized, primer seated, case charged with powder, and bullet seated. As you moved the loaded round from the press to the cartridge box, air pressure "blew out" the primer. The brass could not be reloaded.
Who cares about bullseye or bowling pins? Just cause steel guns are used for that has nothing to do with what gun can handle this specific ammo. I got a steel gun you can use that ammo in at one of those matches. Lemme know if you don't loose an eye or a finger!
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they use steel for target guns because of the weight. heavier guns hold steadier and the follow through is easier with a heavy gun.i
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Update...

Took the new S&W to the range today and fired it for the first time. Turned out that the rear sight is way off. With no way to adjust it on site, I cut the session short. However, I did shoot about 25 rounds of the P.O.F. ammo, in addition to 25 rounds of Independence 115 gr FMJ that I purchased at the range. To sum up, the Paki ammo felt hotter than the commercial grade, but only slightly. Also, one round of the P.O.F. jammed. When I pulled back the slide about half an inch, the round was sitting with the front cocked up at about a 45 degree angle, so it had never been fully chambered. I also believe the trigger didn't snap on that round, so perhaps the slide hadn't traveled fully to the rear when the previous round was shot. Unfortunately, the problem with the sight prevented me from determining whether the previous round was accurate. There were no issues with the commercial ammo.

At this point, I think the P.O.F. ammo is good for the range, but maybe not totally reliable. For now, I'll load up what remains of the commercial stuff for home self defense. If I shoot more of the P.O.F. over the next few weeks, and my opinion changes, I'll report back.

Thanks for everyone's opinions and excellent advice!
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Final Update:

Went to the range again today and fired about 40 rds of the POF and 25-30 rds of the same Independence 115 gr mentioned above. The Independence was flawless, but the Pakistani ammo jammed one time again. This pretty well confirms the issue for me. I'll use up the POF at the range and save the top shelf ammo for defense.
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Don't get me wrong I love stainless but, Stainless steel is corrosion resistant... Nothing more or less. In my line of work I don't trust it for anything more than that.
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