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Not sure I believe all these claims that the manufacturers are turning out product 24/7. Most gun people are middle class, working folks without a lot of disposable income. We can't afford a lot of "panic buying" before the money runs out. So after the first 6 months, where's all the money for this continued panic buying coming from?

Personally the only ammo I buy any more is rimfire since I can't reload it. Haven't bought any 22LR since last year (since I haven't seen any for sale) so don't blame me for that one. Likewise, as a reloader I buy components in bulk. Haven't bought any of those since last year either. One of these days the supplies are going to run out and I have no idea where I'm going to find replacements.

Guess the bottom line is, you guys are the problem, 'cause I ain't buying nothin' these days. (LOL)

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Not I ;-)

I'm pretty sure Federal was 24/7 to start with, not sure on others. I had applied there to work their 3 day weekend shift.

With my 2 year old, I haven't bought much of anything for the last couple years. Now that he's a little older, I'd like to get out and shoot.
Problem is I'd like to replace what I fire, so I've just been shooting much less.

I'm in the same boat for reloads too, just have to wait and see I guess
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Reloading components are now becoming fairly easy to find, even primers are making a re-appearance. Last time Natchez go in a shipment of primers they had small pistol primers in stock for more than a week.

About the only item still difficult to find is brass, some calibers just aren't available almost anywhere you look with 9mm being the worst. However, a lot of shooting ranges will sell you unsorted brass for about 3 dollars a pound if you ask, so with a bit of work you can scrounge up some once fired brass.

As for ready made ammunition I'm seeing indications that the shortage is easing. One indication is that there are more reports about Walmart having ammo in stock. Another indication is that those greedy dealers asking a buck or more per round for 9mm range fodder are getting a lot of lookers but not many sales. I figure another month or two and we'll see prices for ammo at gun shows starting to drop. Basically, I think that most of the hoarders are tapped out financially and aren't buying like they were a month ago.

Bad news is that once this panic ends I do not expect to see prices return to where they were before this panic. IMO assembled ammunition will end up costing 10-15% more than a year ago and I've seen some indications that 40 dollars may be the new price point for a box of 1000 primers.
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While there may be a few folks hoarding ammo, and making absurd quantity purchases, it is more a logistical problem.

If everyone in the US decided to top off their fuel tanks on their vehicles, the same day, it would create a shortage and panic that could not be supported.

The problem is not hoarders of ammo, it is a logistical problem of supplying ammo to all the new gun owners that have shown up in the past years, combined with magazine capacity, and switch from revolver to semi, etc.

Revolvers were king, up until the early 90's, when the writer of the article started paying attention to the gun industry. Folks used to buy a revolver, a box of 50 rounds of ammo, maybe go shoot 6-12 rounds, put 6 rounds in the revolver, put the rest of the box of ammo and gun in a drawer, and get back to life. They have enough ammo for the revolver, and at least 4 reloads.

Today, the semi is king, the AR is a much more common household rifle, and 50 rounds will barely fill 2 magazines. Couple the sheer number of new shooters, with enough ammo to fill one magazine, and have enough ammo to load 2-3 extra mags, and presto, you can see some pretty impressive numbers.

Plus, folks are becoming educated about needing to learn to shoot, and how 22's are an inexpensive way to become a better shot. 22 rifle/pistol sales went off the chart this last go around. They are one of the last items to show back up in numbers. 22 ammo is practically non existent, too. Is it hoarders? or simply the sheer volume of new shooters, who have learned you can shoot 2-300 rounds without breaking the bank. Imagine just 1 million new 22 shooters, combining rifles/pistols, etc. Imagine each new shooter only buys 500 rounds.... That is 500 million rounds. Roughly 1/2 to maybe 1/3 of the total rounds manufactured in ONE YEAR. And remember that the previous year prior to the shortage, there was not an overage of 500 million rounds laying around going for cheap on overstock.com or wherever....

Think about it.....seriously. Are there only 10 million folks with 22's in the US? If so, and each one decided to buy just 500 rounds per year, that would be 3-4 times the annual production capacity of 22 lr ammo.

Hoarders are only a minute portion of the problem. The author of that article needs to get serious, and quit the ammo envy that gives shooters a bad name.... I mean, seriously, does he really need to shoot a couple hundred rounds with each test he does? The author probably does not realize the elitist attitude he is displaying that demeans and impugns other shooters who like to shoot for fun, versus his oh so important reason for shooting.....
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The domestic. 22 shortage is still hard to comprehend but it's real. I wonder where all the foreign ammo is at? Assume domestic manufacturers can not keep up, does that mean all the imported ammo is coming in and being sold or is it not coming in at all? My smallbore shooting friends love Eley, RWS,and some other import brands and they suggest that it's not coming in.
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The demand for 22LR ammo in normal times isn't that high when you could walk into Wal-Mart and they had a boat load of several manufacturers for sale. In the beginning there was a in surge of sales but now it's been many months and most people don't have the money to buy a ton of anything for long. Plus a lot of people paid way over the top prices for 22 ammo at gun shows in the range of 3x to 4x the normal cost.
I think the supply should have caught up with demand by now but it hasn't. My local Wal-Mart was on a one brick only allotment per customer for many months and has gone to three. However you better be in line when they put it out because it's gone in no time so people are still buying and hoarding it. When they allowed only one box people lined up at 4:30 AM in the morning and they started selling it when they had it at 7 AM.
I'm not sure what the answer is but it should have got better by now but it hasn't.
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I also am wondering where all the foreign .22 ammo is. Eventually this shortage too will end. Remington is investing 30 million into there ammo plant. When that is online, we should see a big difference
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So far, out of all of the comments that have posted on the All Outdoor website in response to that article... this one from a Micheal Bane about sums it up best.

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"I don't think I can agree with you on the basic premise of this article, which is blaming "hoarding" as a primary cause of the ammo shortage or "stopping hoarding" as the way to end the shortage. It's an easy explanation — we are all to blame — but it overlooks a whole series of "mega-rends" for lack of better words that contribute mightily to this situation. I've written a lot about "perfect storm" leading to these shortages, so I'll try not to reiterate too much...but here are a few points...

1) Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean people aren't after you. Look at the proposed California ammo laws and the fight over mail order ammo. As recently as yesterday I read a call for capping the amount of ammo a person can purchase, with "possess" as the ultimate goal. It's easy to dismiss the role of the current administration in all this, but the fact is that one of the anti-gunners' primary missions is to restrict ammo.

2) People are flooding into the gun culture, both through liberalized concealed carry laws and the boom in the shooting sports. More people equals more ammo needed.

3) There has been a profound change in the way people shoot (which, to an extent, we are all responsible for...but that's a good thing). I remember growing up in Tennessee and watching my father taking 5 rounds of 30-30 out of the box, loading his Winchester 94 carbine and heading out to hunt deer. At the end of the season, he'd usually have 3 of the 5 rounds left, which he'd faithfully put back in the box. Shooters, be they hunters, competitors, people getting self-defense training or simply plinkers, shoot a LOT more than they used to. Heck, we've been telling people that they should shoot a lot more for years! Think of it this way...people who used to pick up a box of .22 now routinely pick up a brick (if they can find one).

4) And Pat, from a prepper or even a competitor standpoint, how much is "enough" ammo? Suppose we change "ammo" to "food" throughout your article...how do we feel about "hoarders" -- those crazy people with 3, or 6, or a year's worth of food in their basements? Or change "ammo" to "precious metals"...there have been spot shortages of some silver coins recently...is it because thoughtless "hoarders" are buying them up and stuffing them in their mattresses?

This is not meant as a dis', but I do believe we need to think long and hard before we play the "hoarding" card on our own culture. It can backfire on us big time."

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Living here in CA, I am intimately familiar with point #1... because since about 2010, we have been under constant threat from legislation that has been introduced, defeated in committee, reintroduce in the following year legislative session, defeated, reintroduced again. Apply, rinse, repeat... just like what's on many hair care products. That triggered panic buying here years ago, I'd bet California buying already put a bit of a crimp in the supply chain before this current climate even developed. And since most people outside California did not see much (if any) effect on their supply, they probably have been largely unaware of it's existence.

Point #2... bigger audience, just like $40 a barrel for oil is a thing of the past thanks to the new middle class consumers from China and India, the boom of new gun owners/shooters is changing the pricing landscape.

And finally point #4, hoarder or prepper? Interesting debate.
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Michael Bane has hosted a TV show on shooting - centered on defensive shooting - on satelite/cable TV's "Outdoor Channel" for years.

I guess I am part of the problem - and a double-edged part at that. I bought the max - all three boxes - of .22 WMR ammo I found in a local WallyWorld earlier this week. I hadn't bought rimfire there since the election - and had plenty for my uses and needs - but I bought them anyway. Bad me! And I recycled cat litter pails into easily moved sealable food storage. I even have paper products stashed away. I'm 'ready', even if I don't consider myself a true hoarder (I've seen the TV shows - I don't save delivery pizza boxes!). I don't own a former missle silo, so I don't feel like a true 'prepper', either. I am ready for tornado/hurricane season, I suppose.

I think the federal gun control, actually effected by presidential 'executive orders' for the DHS to stockpile unreasonably large caches of ammo, is responsible for the slowed civilian ammo deliveries - particularly in rimfire calibers. Ammo makers are making maximum amounts of .223, leaving little time for .22 rimfire production. The good news for us, as revolver users, is that our handgun's capacities are far lower than the typical bottom-feeder shooter's. Our stashes will last longer.

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One of the things that I have found most interesting during this long "ammo shortage" has been how quickly the self-righteous gunners have jumped all over anyone who raised their prices more than a little bit. Aren't these ammo sellers mostly republicans? Wait a minute, why should they give up their right to make a profit(albeit extreme), in a capitalist economy, that they enjoy while you P&M about them gouging.
Me, I'm not a republican, I'm a former long haired hippy so you guess, but I reload and have a couple of thousand rounds on hand for my various calibers, and while component prices have risen not like ammo prices. I have bought 6 boxes of 22 shells at my local walmart when I was lucky (2x3), at normal prices,just to buy because I have a couple thousand on the shelf, but I shoot 22lr a lot.
The other side of the coin is that the sellers must lower their prices so everybody gets the same price. Sounds too democratic to me...just saying
FREE ENTERPRISE...no-one is mandating you have to buy at extravagant prices, but if you just gotta have another thousand of whatever round you think you need right now, then pay the price....
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An employee at the WalMart ammo counter told my wife that ALL of their ammo shipments are going to employees and friends of employees. Apparently he was disgusted with his fellow workers. They must be selling it at gun shows for 3x the price.
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A Leprechaun told me there was gold at the end of the rainbow. Please, .... these anecdotal stories are so absurd. I've bought almost ALL my ammo at Walmart stores the past 8 months and never saw any signs to support this. I never paid absurd prices and often found nothing in the cabinet but NEVER saw any evidence of such shenanigans. If I had I would have contacted corporate. If you have proof, contact corporate. Otherwise, stop using hear-say to smear people.

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I heard from a different Leprechaun arrows would be on the next list of shortages. Maybe everyone should stock up on them and stop buying ammunition.
Some Wally Worlds I'm sure had employees setting aside ammo for friends and family but not all since around here they only allow you to buy 1 box a day. It happens like in the 70's when we had a gas shortage got all I needed, friend owned a gas station remember if you are old enough the 10 gallons a day even and odd tag days,so don't say it doesn't happen, different store take different actions with their employees.
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One of the things that I have found most interesting during this long "ammo shortage" has been how quickly the self-righteous gunners have jumped all over anyone who raised their prices more than a little bit. Aren't these ammo sellers mostly republicans? Wait a minute, why should they give up their right to make a profit(albeit extreme), in a capitalist economy, that they enjoy while you P&M about them gouging.
Me, I'm not a republican, I'm a former long haired hippy so you guess, but I reload and have a couple of thousand rounds on hand for my various calibers, and while component prices have risen not like ammo prices. I have bought 6 boxes of 22 shells at my local walmart when I was lucky (2x3), at normal prices,just to buy because I have a couple thousand on the shelf, but I shoot 22lr a lot.
The other side of the coin is that the sellers must lower their prices so everybody gets the same price. Sounds too democratic to me...just saying
FREE ENTERPRISE...no-one is mandating you have to buy at extravagant prices, but if you just gotta have another thousand of whatever round you think you need right now, then pay the price....
Free Enterprise has its limits before its considered a crime in 34 states.
These are called anti-price gouging laws.
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I do remember those days. We thought when gas broke 50 cents a gallon, the world would end. Like today, more often than not, any accusations of employee manipulation were blown WAY out of context and dealt with swiftly when reported.

To me it sounds like people too used to getting everything handed to them without effort! A trophy for showing up


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I heard from a different Leprechaun arrows would be on the next list of shortages. Maybe everyone should stock up on them and stop buying ammunition.
Some Wally Worlds I'm sure had employees setting aside ammo for friends and family but not all since around here they only allow you to buy 1 box a day. It happens like in the 70's when we had a gas shortage got all I needed, friend owned a gas station remember if you are old enough the 10 gallons a day even and odd tag days,so don't say it doesn't happen, different store take different actions with their employees.
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I'm going plinking tomorrow or Saturday. I bought a box of .357s and .38s at 'normal' prices at a gun shop yesterday. I have a gift card to a local big box retailer that sells what they have at decent prices but they run out after a couple of hours. They get their shipments on Fridays. I may use the card to get one more box of .38s. I won't get in line with the Friday 'usuals' 1 1/2 hours before open but I won't goof off and wait until noon either. I'll see how it goes. Last time I went there (last month), I bought the last 3 boxes of .38s at about 1:00 pm. I only buy what I'm going to shoot. No hoarding for me. They had 3 Ruger 10/22 rifles there and the clerk asked if I wanted one of them. I said I did but not until they get some .22 lr ammo for it any day of the week. That's the first stuff to go on Fridays. They've been selling boxes of 50 for $3 per box (3 box limit) instead of bricks of 550 to allow more customers to buy - but it still sells out way too fast. Crazy.
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This "shortage" is really killing me. I have rarely ever purchased ammo or components by the box. I have always made case purchases be it. 22 ammo or 5000 round sleeves of primers. Mainly because of better prices and quantity I fired. Now we are lucky to find boxes of bullets or primers and high prices and limits. The answer use to be shoot more rimfire but even that is difficult. It sucks and it's not enjoyable to shoot up you're ammo if you can't find more or afford to replace it.
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I think the federal gun control, actually effected by presidential 'executive orders' for the DHS to stockpile unreasonably large caches of ammo, is responsible for the slowed civilian ammo deliveries - particularly in rimfire calibers. Ammo makers are making maximum amounts of .223, leaving little time for .22 rimfire production.
I dont buy that for one minute. Most of the highly publicized Federal ammo purchases is for 40S&W and 5.56x45.

Rimfire is produced on completely different production lines, Homeland Security isnt buying it, so where is it?
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I am convinced it's the hoarders (I call them hogs) that are causing this issue. I live in PA and every day, the same group of three or four clowns line up at the local Wal-Mart before the clerk brings out ammo at 7 am, and scarf up their three boxes of whatever, leaving little for everyone else. How do I know this? Well, I go there when there actually is something I am interested in, and guess what, by the time I get there, the same folks are in line. I already complained to the WM manager that they should impose a 3-box, 1-box-per-caliber limit, so that more people will at least get some ammo. In fact, I plan to write W-M and suggest same.
Honestly, this "shortage" has given me a jaundiced view of some of my shooting brethren. I am not impressed.
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I dont buy that for one minute. Most of the highly publicized Federal ammo purchases is for 40S&W and 5.56x45.

Rimfire is produced on completely different production lines, Homeland Security isnt buying it, so where is it?
According to Wikipedia, about 2.5 billion rounds of 22 ammo are produced annually. For giggles, lets assume that is correct. To make the math easy, lets say its all sold in bricks of 500. That works out to 13700 bricks a day. I did a little research and Walmart sells firearms in approx 1800 stores nationwide, so we will use that #. That boils down to about 7 bricks per day, per Walmart if ONLY Walmart sold ammo nationwide. Even if you add in all the foreign 22 ammo and account for all other sellers of ammo, you can figure out why there is a shortage. NICS checks have be 10 to 20% higher each month of this year than last year for the same time period.
It is the perfect storm. More shooters wanting ammo that was already maxing out production. Add in the panic from Sandy Hook and boom, shortages.
The only people I feel sorry for are the new shooters who can't get ammo. If you have been a gun owner since 2008, 2009 and didn't learn from that shortage, it is your own fault.
I stocked up on primers, rifle powder and was still caught short on bullets & powder for my pistols,as well as 22 ammo. I am just going to ride the storm out. I also have over a 1000 each rounds of loaded 9mm, 40 S&W, 38 special, with about another 1000 each that need to be loaded. But I have built up that many rounds over the past 5 years, but I guess I am still a hoarder.
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I am convinced it's the hoarders (I call them hogs) that are causing this issue. I live in PA and every day, the same group of three or four clowns line up at the local Wal-Mart before the clerk brings out ammo at 7 am, and scarf up their three boxes of whatever, leaving little for everyone else. How do I know this? Well, I go there when there actually is something I am interested in, and guess what, by the time I get there, the same folks are in line. I already complained to the WM manager that they should impose a 3-box, 1-box-per-caliber limit, so that more people will at least get some ammo. In fact, I plan to write W-M and suggest same.
Honestly, this "shortage" has given me a jaundiced view of some of my shooting brethren. I am not impressed.
On one hand I can see your point. On the other, not so much. I know it can be frustrating but I do the same thing and dutifully ask at Wallys whats in. Usually, not too much. Occasionally I am rewarded for my persistence and get acouple of box's of something I need. It's just the luck of the draw and you have to be a persistent as humanly possible I believe to get ammo.
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I am convinced it's the hoarders (I call them hogs) that are causing this issue. I live in PA and every day, the same group of three or four clowns line up at the local Wal-Mart before the clerk brings out ammo at 7 am, and scarf up their three boxes of whatever, leaving little for everyone else. How do I know this? Well, I go there when there actually is something I am interested in, and guess what, by the time I get there, the same folks are in line. I already complained to the WM manager that they should impose a 3-box, 1-box-per-caliber limit, so that more people will at least get some ammo. In fact, I plan to write W-M and suggest same.
Honestly, this "shortage" has given me a jaundiced view of some of my shooting brethren. I am not impressed.
Same here in my local only we have to add the owner/employees of the LGS just down the road. I see those guys and the owners wife in the Wal-Marts on the prowl all the time.
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Well even the leadcast bullet suppliers are sold out now too. With no primers and powder to be found the brass is use less.

Even the reloading equipment is harder to find now too.

I been wanting to design and build an octagon rotating reloading table to mount all my single stage and progressive presses on. This way I can rotate it to the press I need to use.
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Very confusing. Walmart already has a 3 box TOTAL per person per day limit. Also, maybe those other "same three of four clowns" also "go there when there actually is something THEY ARE interested in". Have you considered that?

Sorry, your story doesn't add up. I stop at quite a few Walmarts at many different times of the day as I visit customers around the area and I haven't seen the lines at any of them for quite some time. As a matter of fact, I picked up 3 100 WWB in 9 at one tonight and 40 at another earlier around lunch. The 9 was fresh off the truck (lucky stop) but the 40 had to be from last night, telling me there's no line of people anymore. I do stop at 5-7 AM as well and, like I said, haven't seen a line up for a long time. Oh, the 7AM thing ended a long time ago as well, hence my evening purchase.

[QUOTE=gunsrfun1;137288172]I am convinced it's the hoarders (I call them hogs) that are causing this issue. I live in PA and every day, the same group of three or four clowns line up at the local Wal-Mart before the clerk brings out ammo at 7 am, and scarf up their three boxes of whatever, leaving little for everyone else. How do I know this? Well, I go there when there actually is something I am interested in, and guess what, by the time I get there, the same folks are in line. I already complained to the WM manager that they should impose a 3-box, 1-box-per-caliber limit, so that more people will at least get some ammo. In fact, I plan to write W-M and suggest same.
Honestly, this "shortage" has given me a jaundiced view of some of my shooting brethren. I am not impressed.[/QUOTE]

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True they're out of stock. However, the larger lead bullet providers are shipping in the 5-6 weeks they quote (I'll mention Missouri Bullets as an example). Oh, and they haven't increased their prices at all.

It is a drag not being able to fire away with .22 anymore. But hey, that was getting old anyway not really...
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...I been wanting to design and build an octagon rotating reloading table to mount all my single stage and progressive presses on. This way I can rotate it to the press I need to use.
Too much work to just move your chair?
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Last couple of weeks I've been able to get 9mm and 380 auto in limited amounts (50-100 rounds) in the gun shop at the shooting range. Prices are a bit higher than normal but better than at other LGSs and the internet. Only sell to members though.

The two local Walmart stores sell out as soon as the stuff comes in. Chances of getting a box of 22 lr anywhere locally are just a tad bit higher than winning the mega lottery.
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It is obvious this is not a one horse rodeo. There are a number of issues causing the "shortage". Panic is obviously one of those factors, if most of you are likd me when you go to the LGS you look at ammo right in the beginning and if they have somethig and you have the money you get some, after all how long has it been since you have seen that particular type? Then there are those like the guy who said he had purchased 34,000 round of ammo in the first 5 months. Obviously a hoarder. Add to that all the new gun guy & gals who are tryingto get some trigger time. It seems obvious to me and this is JMO until we all can walk in and not look for ammo first then and only then will the shortage be over.
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Only ammo i buy loaded is .22LR because i reload my centerfire
rounds. Nobody is gonna tell me i have "enough".
You think for a minute this last mass shooting is the last one
that is going to occur and start up the the Antis calls for more
regulation on guns and ammo?
Regardless of what Mr. Gunwriter has to say i will continue to
purchase ammo and reload as i see fit. I for one do not have
an inside source at a major manufacturing company and i like
to hunt and target shoot and intend for my 3 grandkids to have
something to feed the guns they will inherit from their Papaw.

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A Leprechaun told me there was gold at the end of the rainbow. Please, .... these anecdotal stories are so absurd. I've bought almost ALL my ammo at Walmart stores the past 8 months and never saw any signs to support this. I never paid absurd prices and often found nothing in the cabinet but NEVER saw any evidence of such shenanigans. If I had I would have contacted corporate. If you have proof, contact corporate. Otherwise, stop using hear-say to smear people.
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I think what the current administration has done is pure genius. Overload the supply system with orders (the DHS orders are fact, not tin foil fantasy) to keep the manufacturers from being able to, or choosing not to, supply the public. Gun owners go into panic mode and, the next thing you know, the gun owners are fighting each other out in the public square. Pure genius.
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This ammo shortage has really brought out the greed and stupidity in people. It is "We the People" that has caused this and it will probably go on for some time to come. I was at WallyWorld the other day and they had 3 boxes of Federal 9mm on the shelf. I sold my 9mm months ago but bought the three boxes to take to my range so they could have some ammo to sell. The Federal was only $12 a box...nice to see Wally does not gouge. Anyways took the boxes to the range and sold them for $12 each figuring to help them out. Go to the range two days later and they are selling them for $32 a box. All three were still on the shelf...thankfully most members are not stupid like the owners. I will be out of my reloading stuff in about 6 months and if this is not over by then I plan on getting rid of my guns and getting a nice pellet gun instead. I have just lost my interest in shooting because of the climate it generates. Hopefully there won't be shortage of pellets in the near future
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I will be out of my reloading stuff in about 6 months and if this is not over by then I plan on getting rid of my guns and getting a nice pellet gun instead. I have just lost my interest in shooting because of the climate it generates.

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I will be out of my reloading stuff in about 6 months and if this is not over by then I plan on getting rid of my guns and getting a nice pellet gun instead. I have just lost my interest in shooting because of the climate it generates. Hopefully there won't be shortage of pellets in the near future
EXACTLY what the Antis want !!!!
Dig your own grave ???? NOT ME my friend.
NOT ME. Good luck with the pellet guns.
And how long before they start coming after
these as well because the "news" reported that
little Johnny lost an eye somewhere in Illinois ??
If your hearts not in it maybe take up golf or
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I have seen the prices of ammo in some stores either stay the same or go up.Since I am a wholesaler,I get my ammo I order at our usual prices from the factories and sell them to other dealers. What ever they sell them at,well,that's their problem. We are not on a limited supply on any ammo. But if the stores or other ammo companies arespiking the prices so far up,Do not buy until their prices come down or go else where to buy the ammo you need. I would say for until the fall-winter part of the year,see how pricings are then and DO NOT LET D.C. politics involve the prices. Congress wants to scare us. WE WILL NOT LET THEM. on firearms or ammo. I know that we are not suppose to discuss politics but,this is the way some of us wholesalers see it as and gun shops cutting their own throats on ammo pricings these days.
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I would strongly recommend against giving up something you like because of hard times. The government (national , state and local), along with the mainstream media would love to see the level of success they have achieved, by essentially brainwashing gun owners to believe they are guilty of some nefarious activity, while simply pursuing a sport. They would probably be delighted to see us bickering among ourselves as well. Personally, I plan to ride out this "shortage", just like the last one. I did plan for this kind of situation many years ago, by simply making myself as independent as possible. I reload and cast bullets for most all of the calibers I enjoy shooting, including rifle calibers. I bought rimfire ammo whenever it was priced right and I have accumulated a substantial quantity. I maintain a baseline of primers and powder, and I replenish what I use up over that baseline when things calm down. More recently, however, I have helped a couple of my shooting partners who were not as well prepared for the shortage, by giving them components that they had run out of, because of the crisis. Eventually, this too will blow over, the firearms industry, for the most part, is head and shoulders above most industries in the way they treat customers and shooters are some of the finest people I've ever known, it's a sport that deserves to live on.

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Can you legally sell to members/individuals? I know of a few trusting folks in my area (north TX) that would buy for consumption, not resale, down here. We could easily make use of a large order of the popular calibers!!!!

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I have seen the prices of ammo in some stores either stay the same or go up.Since I am a wholesaler,I get my ammo I order at our usual prices from the factories and sell them to other dealers. What ever they sell them at,well,that's their problem. We are not on a limited supply on any ammo. But if the stores or other ammo companies arespiking the prices so far up,Do not buy until their prices come down or go else where to buy the ammo you need. I would say for until the fall-winter part of the year,see how pricings are then and DO NOT LET D.C. politics involve the prices. Congress wants to scare us. WE WILL NOT LET THEM. on firearms or ammo. I know that we are not suppose to discuss politics but,this is the way some of us wholesalers see it as and gun shops cutting their own throats on ammo pricings these days.
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Magpul is backordered over 1 million pmag 30 round magazines, I do believe thats 30 million rounds of .223/5.56 just for the first load. Yep, gonna be awhile before they catch up
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Don't understand what this post is doing in the "S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present" thread?? This Should be in the "Ammo" or in the "The Lounge" thread ?? Huh ?? ! Actually this is the third thread started with the same subject!
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Don't understand what this post is doing in the "S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present" thread?? This Should be in the "Ammo" or in the "The Lounge" thread ?? Huh ?? ! Actually this is the third thread started with the same subject!
Maybe someone could start an "ammo pissers and moaners" thread so it could all be in one place.
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For us and our insurance companies we have say, we can only sell to dealers right now because of some states having different laws on selling ammo. We do not sell to california,New York and other states that have ammo sales laws. It keeps our insurance rates lower some what. We make if,we are lucky 2% of sales per month just to barely cover overhead expenses being a wholesalers. We are staying away from ARs,and high- cap pistol magazines also because of the politics and insurance companies involved. So,bear with us for about 3-4 months from now and we will see how it goes. We have more calls on revolvers,ammo for revolvers and lever and bolt action rifles. and single stack pistols,ie....1911s.
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I'm not sure what is considered hoarding but if I come across any reloading components I buy some. Two reasons; as long as these mental defects go on shooting sprees there will be continued pressure on the firearms and ammo industries. It is happening way too much and bothers me quite a bit, and it should bother you too. My other reason is pricing, yes I'm paying more than I was a year ago but I'm not convinced that prices will fall that much when supply catches up. On GB I'm paying about twice what I should for powder but a couple of pounds makes a lot of 9mm or 45 a.c.p. so I really don't care. Spread out over the next year or two it's no big deal. Might be wrong but that seldom happens.
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Around here ammo is starting to make a very slow but gradual come back. No 22LR but I am seeing 9MM, 40S&W, 45 ACP, 38 SPL, and 357 in stock in some mom and pop stores as well as Walmart. Both range ammo and self defense. Hopefully it's a good sign.

I say put your money aside and wait. I'll happen. Just be patient.
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Went to Walmart yesterday and saw a lot of tulammo 9,40,45,223 and a couple boxes of 243. Picked those up but they raised them over a dollar a box
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