Freedom Munitions order mix up

keakar · #1 07-08-2013, 03:12 PM

I just ordered the 500 round box of 9mm 124 gr. XTP Hornady advertised @ 44 cents a round from freedom munitions

I figured that's not too bad for quality new XTP Hornady hollow point ammo in my opinion, especially since the only hollow points I have seen being sold anywhere want $1 per round or more

well after I finally got my ammo in I found out it was a bait and switch! they advertised 9mm 124 gr. XTP Hornady yet what they sent me was just plain old generic no name brand hollow points made by freedom munitions NOT XTP Hornaday HP rounds. well I know better now so I wont make that mistake again!

they don't answer the phone for the online or the retail store and they wont respond to emails, they only take online orders but don't reply to online emails through the website

is it the end of the world? no.
will they work and shoot? yes im sure they will.
is it a decent price for generic HP ammo? I guess some might find it ok
will you get the same accuracy, expansion rates, and dependability as XTP Hornady? absolutely NOT

I wanted high quality ammo for SD rounds so these are not something I would have bought if I knew what they were going to give me.

I guess I just have a lot more expensive range ammo now, just wish I didn't buy 500 rounds of it.

yes I know, bullet placement is key, any bullet placed right does the job, blah blah blah, but when your bullet placement might not be as accurate in HD situations, I want every advantage (no matter how small) that a dependable high quality round can give me so a not so well placed shot still does sufficient damage

Smitty357 · #2 07-08-2013, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keakar

I just ordered the 500 round box of 9mm 124 gr. XTP Hornady advertised @ 44 cents a round from freedom munitions

I figured that's not too bad for quality new XTP Hornady hollow point ammo in my opinion, especially since the only hollow points I have seen being sold anywhere want $1 per round or more

well after I finally got my ammo in I found out it was a bait and switch! they advertised 9mm 124 gr. XTP Hornady yet what they sent me was just plain old generic no name brand hollow points made by freedom munitions NOT XTP Hornaday HP rounds. they were advertised as XTP Hornady but were freedom munitions own version of their imitation of XTP Hornady (a very poor attempt to copy if you ask me), well I know better now so I wont make that mistake again!

if you are going to order from freedom munitions be aware you are only getting freedom munitions own generic ammo no matter what misleading way they try to misrepresent it.

they don't answer the phone for the online or the retail store and they wont respond to emails, they only take new orders

is it the end of the world? no.
will they work and shoot? yes im sure they will.
is it a decent price for generic HP ammo? I guess some might find it ok
will you get the same accuracy, expansion rates, and dependability as XTP Hornady? absolutely NOT

I wanted high quality ammo for SD rounds so these are not something I would have bought if I knew what they were going to give me.

I guess I just have a lot more expensive range ammo now, just wish I didn't buy 500 rounds of it.

yes I know, bullet placement is key, any bullet placed right does the job, blah blah blah, but when your bullet placement might not be as accurate in HD situations, I want every advantage (no matter how small) that a dependable high quality round can give me so a not so well placed shot still does sufficient damage

Exactly why they will never have me as a customer. I've heard to many horror stories about them over the past. I guess its a "hit or miss" type of thing. But i'd rather just take business elsewhere.

zeddic · #3 07-08-2013, 05:15 PM

Maybe make a post on their facebook page? They seem to have someone that responds there.

Ghost_Soldier · #4 07-08-2013, 05:27 PM

I once ordered 1000 rounds of 115 gr FMJ 9mm from freedom. I ordered the NEW ammo but they sent me the re-manufactured ammo. I emailed them several times and never got any response from them at all. So I'm not very surprised by Keakar's experiance.

Chief Sapulpa · #5 07-08-2013, 06:34 PM

File a complaint on the Better Business Bureau website.

accessbob · #6 07-08-2013, 06:49 PM

I believe that, when they say Hornady XTP they mean the bullets inside of their new and remanufactured ammo. You aren't getting the actual Hornady built ammo, but you are getting Hornady made bullets like this:

http://www.brownells.com/reloading/b...prod33922.aspx

All of their ammo would be packaged under their own Freedom Munitions label.

accessbob · #7 07-08-2013, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by accessbob

I believe that, when they say Hornady XTP they mean the bullets inside of their new and remanufactured ammo. You aren't getting the actual Hornady built ammo, but you are getting Hornady made bullets like this:

Hornady XTP Pistol Bullets | Brownells

All of their ammo would be packaged under their own Freedom Munitions label.

And from their site's About Us page:

Quote:

Freedom Munitions uses only premium components from manufacturers such as CCI/Speer, Federal Cartridge, Lake City Arsenal, X-Treme Bullets, Nosler Bullets, Hornady, St. Marks Powder, etc. Our experienced machine operators perform a variety of quality checks during the loading process guaranteeing consistent performance round after round. Our inspection and packaging team visually checks every round, new or remanufactured,

S&WProtected · #8 07-08-2013, 07:47 PM

I have not used any ammo from them but I know a few guys who have. It seems to be pretty good ammo but if they are advertising XTP loaded ammo it should have an XTP on top of it. 44 cents a round is kind of high for range ammo.

nickel plate · #9 07-08-2013, 08:42 PM

I've purchased .38 special NEW, .380 NEW, and 9mm NEW from Ammunition Online at Factory Direct Prices | Freedom Munitions | Handgun Ammo & Rifle Ammo without a hitch. Sorry to hear that your Hornady specific order went sour. The rounds that I buy from them are for target usage and so far not one misfire.
Try this if you haven't already:
Customer Service (Hannah):
Ammunition Online at Factory Direct Prices | Freedom Munitions | Handgun Ammo & Rifle Ammo

rebcussion · #10 07-08-2013, 08:49 PM

If you paid by credit card you're in a good position to get your money back should you wish.

colt_saa · #11 07-08-2013, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by accessbob

I believe that, when they say Hornady XTP they mean the bullets inside of their new and remanufactured ammo. You aren't getting the actual Hornady built ammo, but you are getting Hornady made bullets like this:

Hornady XTP Pistol Bullets | Brownells

All of their ammo would be packaged under their own Freedom Munitions label.

I agree that this is what the site says. They are selling ammunition assembled with Hornady projectiles, they are not selling ammunition manufactured by Hornady.

It is easy to how a person might misinterpret the poorly worded for sale site, but I did not get the impression that this was an intentional case of attempted fraud.

However the OP appears to be indicating that the even the projectiles are not Hornady manufactured XTPs. If that is correct, either they made an error and shipped the wrong item (that needs to be confirmed with the seller) or they intentionally shipped incorrect ammunition in which case it needs to be returned for a refund.

Atticaz · #12 07-08-2013, 10:39 PM

That really sucks. I checked out their site. They posted their UPC and Product Codes. Yes they were shifty A-holes. But, they can not be labelled as "at fault", since they did not list a Hornady Product Code, UPC or claim it purely a Hornady item.

That's just plain cold.

Smitty357 · #13 07-08-2013, 10:44 PM

Too much money for reloaded ammo, IMO.

Irn-Bru · #14 07-08-2013, 10:46 PM

I've had one or two bad experiences buying online, and been treated like ****. Last two times I have filed a credit card chargeback, and was quickly contacted buy the seller. I take no **** anymore, send me a prepaid mailer, or I'm not sending it.

prairie · #15 07-09-2013, 12:00 AM

I'm trying to understand what the OP expected and what went wrong.

From looking over the Freedom Munitions web site, it is VERY clear that all the ammunition is of their manufacture whether it is using new cases, or reloaded cases. how anyone would interpret that to be factory new Hornady ammo is beyond me.

If the OP ordered ammo that was to be loaded with a 9mm 124 gr. XTP Hornady bullet, but received something other than that bullet, I can understand the problem.

The web site is very clear to me that they are selling ammo loaded by Freedom Munitions, and not Hornady.

vipermd · #16 07-09-2013, 01:23 AM

The OP ordered ammo loaded with XTP instead got a generic HP. Got it? I would stop the charge on the card, contact BBB, and let every forum, friend, relative know the situation and lack of service or response!! If I order speer gold dots I do not want golden sabers. If they made a mistake they should stand behind their product and make it right, if not they deserve all the bad press they can get. Be Safe,

Dohmein · #17 07-09-2013, 01:41 AM

Never heard a good word about that company from the dozens or so friends who have tried them none have ever went back - says something to me. They will never get my business. Hope it all works out for you.

RobBeckett · #18 07-09-2013, 08:36 AM

Only bought new range ammo in 9mm from them but I have had very good luck. Sorry you didn't have a good experience. As others have said contact your CC company and dispute the charges. That will get the company's attention.

bobkatwells · #19 07-09-2013, 08:49 AM

There are too many stories like this of online rip-offs dealing with guns and ammo. This kind of deceptive advertising sucks and the internet allows these people to sell things sight unseen. Buyer beware.

Buy in person even if it means a longer wait and buy from a business that has worked hard to develop a reputation of great customer service.

jdw174 · #20 07-09-2013, 09:33 AM

I regularly shoot Freedom's range ammo. Never had a problem ordering or receiving and never a stinker in the bunch. Personally, I wouldn't order HP ammo from any online supplier unless it were commercial product from Speer, Hornady, WW, etc.

serpentine · #21 07-09-2013, 01:33 PM

I have ordered only 9mm in new, re-manufactued and Blaster training ammo, and had 1 round fail to chamber properly out of the 5,000 or so that I have purchased in the past from Freedom. So my experience has been great.

MSG Glenn · #22 07-09-2013, 02:03 PM

As coincidence would have it I was checking them out yesterday ready to order some .40S&W SD & practice ammo. I'm glad you posted this because I won't give them my business. I'll find somewhere else to order from or just wait until local stores have some in stock at a fair price.

You may have saved me from making a mistake.

keakar · #23 07-09-2013, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by accessbob

I believe that, when they say Hornady XTP they mean the bullets inside of their new and remanufactured ammo. You aren't getting the actual Hornady built ammo, but you are getting Hornady made bullets like this:

Hornady XTP Pistol Bullets | Brownells

All of their ammo would be packaged under their own Freedom Munitions label.

its a good thought, and I knew it wasn't hornady factory loads but it was supposed to be hornady bullets loaded by freedom and it wasn't.

see below

Quote:

Originally Posted by prairie

I'm trying to understand what the OP expected and what went wrong.

If the OP ordered ammo that was to be loaded with a 9mm 124 gr. XTP Hornady bullet, but received something other than that bullet, I can understand the problem.

that is exactly what happened to me, this is what I ordered:

http://www.freedommunitions.com/category-s/2894.htm

those bullets in the picture are hornady xtp but what I got was this:

http://www.freedommunitions.com/category-s/2035.htm

as you can see they are not even close to the same and at the very least they need to charge me the advertised price for the lesser ammo instead of charging me extra for the special hornady xtp loads I did not recieve

the difference is the hornady xtp were priced at $203 where the regular generic JHP was selling at $180 something so its somewhere around $20 more I paid for nothing

accessbob · #24 07-09-2013, 02:56 PM

So you claim it was a bait and switch, right? I know you said you tried multiple avenues to contact them to tell them that they sent the wrong item and they were not reachable. One thing that is probably is they are probably working quite hard at creating ammo due to the shortages. I don't know how many times you tried to call, nor when. So, I can't say that they aren't good. But it is possible they have been overwhelmed with calls and emails and you are a small fish in a big sea of them. I would be surprised if they didn't respond ever, but it could take a while.

They aren't infallible and it could have been an honest mistake. I've worked in Shipping before. It happens. The good companies figure out that they charged for one thing and sent another, or if they charged for the stuff they sent, they will apologize and ask if you want to exchange and pay the difference. The really good companies will ship out what you wanted at no extra charge because of the hassle it created with you.

So, I don't know- it is up to you as to whether you will keep attempting to phone them. I would, but I do agree that they likely need better customer service (including more of someone to answer) and a better email response team. Do they have a Facebook page? Sometimes you can get response from companies there that you can't get other places.

So, I'm not saying that they didn't screw you. I am saying that it might not be as it seems.

Fire75 · #25 07-09-2013, 04:44 PM

For every bad story there probably 1000 happy customers.

HAPPY CUSTOMERS DONT POST ABOUT IT.

I can give you bad stories from every store or online place you shop.

As for FM, i tried them and got what i ordered and what i have used has worked. I also see they have started to lower their price already.

Ogandydancer · #26 07-09-2013, 04:47 PM

I have been keeping an eye on their website and everything I see is still showing "Out Of Stock" wonder what gives with that?

tectrry · #27 07-09-2013, 04:51 PM

I have purchased several thousand 9mm RN in both "Reman" and "New". Back when they were .26/round I thought it was great range ammo, but when they got as high as .34 & .36/round, I stopped buying from them. Now they are back down to .31 and maybe one more price drop and I'll order from them again. For me it is great for the range.

Sorry that OP had a bad experience.

KeithR · #28 07-09-2013, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ogandydancer

I have been keeping an eye on their website and everything I see is still showing "Out Of Stock" wonder what gives with that?

On the home page just above the pic of all the ammo is:
SAVE TIME - >> CLICK HERE << TO CHECK WHAT'S IN STOCK RIGHT NOW

If you click the CLICK HERE it brings up the page of what they have available:
In Stock Now...

snakeye · #29 07-09-2013, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keakar

I just ordered the 500 round box of 9mm 124 gr. XTP Hornady advertised @ 44 cents a round from freedom munitions

I figured that's not too bad for quality new XTP Hornady hollow point ammo in my opinion, especially since the only hollow points I have seen being sold anywhere want $1 per round or more

well after I finally got my ammo in I found out it was a bait and switch! they advertised 9mm 124 gr. XTP Hornady yet what they sent me was just plain old generic no name brand hollow points made by freedom munitions NOT XTP Hornaday HP rounds. they were advertised as XTP Hornady but were freedom munitions own version of their imitation of XTP Hornady (a very poor attempt to copy if you ask me), well I know better now so I wont make that mistake again!

if you are going to order from freedom munitions be aware you are only getting freedom munitions own generic ammo no matter what misleading way they try to misrepresent it.

they don't answer the phone for the online or the retail store and they wont respond to emails, they only take new orders

is it the end of the world? no.
will they work and shoot? yes im sure they will.
is it a decent price for generic HP ammo? I guess some might find it ok
will you get the same accuracy, expansion rates, and dependability as XTP Hornady? absolutely NOT

I wanted high quality ammo for SD rounds so these are not something I would have bought if I knew what they were going to give me.

I guess I just have a lot more expensive range ammo now, just wish I didn't buy 500 rounds of it.

yes I know, bullet placement is key, any bullet placed right does the job, blah blah blah, but when your bullet placement might not be as accurate in HD situations, I want every advantage (no matter how small) that a dependable high quality round can give me so a not so well placed shot still does sufficient damage

Well I have had nothing but good experiences with their ammo. Not really hot but softer shooting than normal but good range ammo...

I do have to ask the question though...you said you bought 500 rounds for self defense....500 rounds for self defense? Sounds more like range quantities more so than self defense.

For self defense purposes most of us have shot different SD rounds to ensure we are comfortable and secure with the round and pistol combination to come through when we should ever need it. When I determined which SD ammo I liked and trusted I bought a couple of 20 round boxes of it and every now and then will rip off a mag of it at a range session to stay comfortable with it and keep the ammo fresh, maybe two boxes a a year. But to go and buy 500 rounds that I had never used and call it my SD ammo is something myself and a lot of other people would never do.

CTG_COLLECTOR · #30 07-10-2013, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keakar

I just ordered the 500 round box of 9mm 124 gr. XTP Hornady advertised @ 44 cents a round from freedom munitions

I figured that's not too bad for quality new XTP Hornady hollow point ammo in my opinion, especially since the only hollow points I have seen being sold anywhere want $1 per round or more

well after I finally got my ammo in I found out it was a bait and switch! they advertised 9mm 124 gr. XTP Hornady yet what they sent me was just plain old generic no name brand hollow points made by freedom munitions NOT XTP Hornaday HP rounds. they were advertised as XTP Hornady but were freedom munitions own version of their imitation of XTP Hornady (a very poor attempt to copy if you ask me), well I know better now so I wont make that mistake again!

if you are going to order from freedom munitions be aware you are only getting freedom munitions own generic ammo no matter what misleading way they try to misrepresent it.

they don't answer the phone for the online or the retail store and they wont respond to emails, they only take new orders

is it the end of the world? no.
will they work and shoot? yes im sure they will.
is it a decent price for generic HP ammo? I guess some might find it ok
will you get the same accuracy, expansion rates, and dependability as XTP Hornady? absolutely NOT

I wanted high quality ammo for SD rounds so these are not something I would have bought if I knew what they were going to give me.

I guess I just have a lot more expensive range ammo now, just wish I didn't buy 500 rounds of it.

yes I know, bullet placement is key, any bullet placed right does the job, blah blah blah, but when your bullet placement might not be as accurate in HD situations, I want every advantage (no matter how small) that a dependable high quality round can give me so a not so well placed shot still does sufficient damage

Any way you can post a clear photo of the ammo/bullet design you received?

TACC1 · #31 07-10-2013, 01:23 AM

Whether or not FM's ammo is good or isn't, really
isn't the point. The ad indicated one thing; what OP got
was something else. FM's Customer Service could have
stopped a lot of bad press here, by explaining the situation
to the OP.
Personally, in his place, I'd be upset, too. It's the
principle of the thing.
TACC1

ammohoe · #32 07-10-2013, 10:47 AM

Keaker, not sure how you tried to contact us but I dont see an email here, I can help here on the confussion if I had an order# or contact me ,we do load an XTP bullet and also our own production HP. You may got wrong product as we have both but we do not sell Hornady factory ammunition. As the web site says in numerous places we load all of our own products. We are the only manufature to take back any product we sell for any reason.
[email protected]

keakar · #33 07-10-2013, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snakeye

Well I have had nothing but good experiences with their ammo. Not really hot but softer shooting than normal but good range ammo...

I do have to ask the question though...you said you bought 500 rounds for self defense....500 rounds for self defense? Sounds more like range quantities more so than self defense.

For self defense purposes most of us have shot different SD rounds to ensure we are comfortable and secure with the round and pistol combination to come through when we should ever need it. When I determined which SD ammo I liked and trusted I bought a couple of 20 round boxes of it and every now and then will rip off a mag of it at a range session to stay comfortable with it and keep the ammo fresh, maybe two boxes a a year. But to go and buy 500 rounds that I had never used and call it my SD ammo is something myself and a lot of other people would never do.

I only did that because all they had in "new" hornady ammo was the 500 round boxes, everything else was reloads

I figured a few friends would want buy a couple boxes from me to differ the cost and quantity issue. I figure I was only going to keep 150-200 rounds for myself.

as to the untested issue im taking a risk there just going based on the hornady name but there just aren't much choices out there for HP ammo right now and if its name brand its often $1 a round or more so I took a gamble on this

Quote:

Originally Posted by CTG_COLLECTOR

Any way you can post a clear photo of the ammo/bullet design you received?

I already did but here it is again 9mm 124 gr. HP

and once again, to be clear, I am not complaining about the ammo itself but the apparent bait and switch that happened

Quote:

Originally Posted by ammohoe

Keaker, not sure how you tried to contact us but I dont see an email here, I can help here on the confussion if I had an order# or contact me ,we do load an XTP bullet and also our own production HP. You may got wrong product as we have both but we do not sell Hornady factory ammunition. As the web site says in numerous places we load all of our own products. We are the only manufature to take back any product we sell for any reason.
[email protected]

rudy, yes I understood it was not hornady factory loads but I was thinking it was your loads with hornady bullets or maybe your in house version of the hornady xtp bullets, I wasn't 100% sure which.

hannah contacted me today, I sent her the emails since she sent me one when she confirmed the order was received.

she explained that there was some sort of major foul up in the warehouse and the ordering system and lots of people got the wrong stuff. it would appear she will send me a return label and refund my order.

I will post about what happens next

accessbob · #34 07-10-2013, 12:16 PM

Just an FYI to everyone who has either checked in on this thread or will do so in the future. I contacted them through Facebook and gave them the link to this thread so they could deal with it.

Moral of the story - don't jump to conclusions too quickly and also attempting contact can be done in myriad ways, some may work better than others.

Fire75 · #35 07-10-2013, 01:28 PM

What are you doing with the returns?

Half price sale? I'll take some 40!

ammohoe · #36 07-10-2013, 03:42 PM

The Hornady listing we use are loaded with Hornady factury bullets , we offer new brass and processed brass, sometimes we do ship a wrong order but since we ship 300-500 a day not to bad. Again if for any reason we will return/credit on our dollor any product anyone is not happy with. Don't know many retailers that will do that foe their customers. Thanks for the feedback and commucations we recieve.
Rudy

keakar · #37 07-10-2013, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by accessbob

Just an FYI to everyone who has either checked in on this thread or will do so in the future. I contacted them through Facebook and gave them the link to this thread so they could deal with it.

Moral of the story - don't jump to conclusions too quickly and also attempting contact can be done in myriad ways, some may work better than others.

thank you for reaching them for me

as for "contact can be done in myriad of ways"

I sent emails that were not responded to.

the retail store phone rings only to give you the message to call the non working internet phone number for online orders.

the online phone number has been disconnected and is no longer in service according the to operator.

so while contact may be ATTEMPTED in myriad of ways, actually getting a response isn't easy at all.

so I made every possible attempt to contact them and "reach out" short of creating a facebook account that I do not want and refuse to open. why should I be FORCED to join facebook to get a response from freedom munitions?

obviously the only way to make easy contact with this company is through facebook and I refuse to join facebook for my own reasons and others feel as I do about facebook so where does that leave people like me?

not sure what kind of staffing issues they have but they need to work on email response times and the customer being able to contact them in an easy timely way

keakar · #38 07-10-2013, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ammohoe

The Hornady listing we use are loaded with Hornady factury bullets , we offer new brass and processed brass, sometimes we do ship a wrong order but since we ship 300-500 a day not to bad. Again if for any reason we will return/credit on our dollor any product anyone is not happy with. Don't know many retailers that will do that foe their customers. Thanks for the feedback and commucations we recieve.
Rudy

UPDATE:

I just received an email notification telling me that I have received a full refund on my order so I must say I am very happy with they way they handled this mix up once they found out there was an issue, except for the difficulty that I had in trying to make contact with them in the first place.

while I felt cheated at first, they did explain the situation to my satisfaction and since I used to be a small businessman for 30 years, I really do understand how things can get mixed up and "stuff" happens sometimes.

seeing the kind of response I got from them once I was actually in contact with them, I would not have any concern about doing business with them again provided they had a working phone number that was able to connect you with a person at some point. I hope they get that fixed.

vipermd · #39 07-10-2013, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snakeye

Well I have had nothing but good experiences with their ammo. Not really hot but softer shooting than normal but good range ammo...

I do have to ask the question though...you said you bought 500 rounds for self defense....500 rounds for self defense? Sounds more like range quantities more so than self defense.

For self defense purposes most of us have shot different SD rounds to ensure we are comfortable and secure with the round and pistol combination to come through when we should ever need it. When I determined which SD ammo I liked and trusted I bought a couple of 20 round boxes of it and every now and then will rip off a mag of it at a range session to stay comfortable with it and keep the ammo fresh, maybe two boxes a a year. But to go and buy 500 rounds that I had never used and call it my SD ammo is something myself and a lot of other people would never do.

YOU ARE JOKING RIGHT? When I determined that my SD and my wife's SD were correct I bought 2 cases of each ( 1K rounds each ) same lot #, powder, bullet etc. So I KNOW that I have enough for both of us for a few years. I do not have to worry about changes in bullet, powder,brass, current party in the whitehouse, or some ridiculous law/media that cause our chosen load to triple in price. I agree that their may be a"better" round in the future but at least I have a SD round that I know works. Yes it appears as though the OP had not tested the round for himself in his weapon, But if I had to buy ammo in a panic time/situation, I would go with a proven, quality ammo and not look back. But I also carry 3 mags instead of just the one in the gun. Paranoid? , No just prepared. Be Safe,

snakeye · #40 07-10-2013, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vipermd

YOU ARE JOKING RIGHT? When I determined that my SD and my wife's SD were correct I bought 2 cases of each ( 1K rounds each ) same lot #, powder, bullet etc. So I KNOW that I have enough for both of us for a few years. I do not have to worry about changes in bullet, powder,brass, current party in the whitehouse, or some ridiculous law/media that cause our chosen load to triple in price. I agree that their may be a"better" round in the future but at least I have a SD round that I know works. Yes it appears as though the OP had not tested the round for himself in his weapon, But if I had to buy ammo in a panic time/situation, I would go with a proven, quality ammo and not look back. But I also carry 3 mags instead of just the one in the gun. Paranoid? , No just prepared. Be Safe,

No I wasn't joking and I really don't see your point as to why you think I was. My point was that one should test their SD ammo of choice first and be comfortable and trust that SD round with you life before you just run out and buy 500 rounds of it. Then once you do test it and like it then you can go buy all the rounds you want which is what you yourself did.

Even the OP admitted in another post before yours he was buying just for the Hornady bullet and was taking a risk that he would like it. You probably need to re-read my post and his reply and be prepared. 3 mags on your person? Paranoid? probably...lol

By the way most forums do not allow yelling and personally I really don't care for it either. Might want to be more careful about that in the future.

vipermd · #41 07-11-2013, 02:53 PM

snakeye: yelling? I did read your post. I believed the OP made a reasonable decision, based on the quality of the bullet, scarcity of ammo. I guess I do not see 500 rds as excessive. If they did not work for him , he could sell or trade for something in the future. Sorry, did not mean to offend. Be Safe,

keakar · #42 07-11-2013, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vipermd

snakeye: yelling?

using caps can be a way to emphasize saying something but it is also seen as a form of yelling if you use all caps in a sentence

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as to the discussion:

I was looking for hornady xtp factory loads but could not find them.

after doing a lot of reading and watching test done on youtube I felt confident that the hornady xtp would suit me well.

in order to test different ammo you need to FIND different ammo and quality name brand HP ammo (if it can be found) is $1.50-$2 a single round and im not willing to range test HP ammo at those prices.

when I saw the FM hornady xtp I was happy with the price (41 cents per round) and wanted to get the 250 box but all they had was 500 or 1000 so I went with the only small box they had available (500)

as soon as they have horandy xtp in stock I will reorder them, hopefully in the 250 box so I can shoot 50 rounds to test and then store the rest

joeintexas · #43 07-14-2013, 08:59 PM

Surprised to hear about problems with them, I only ordered once, 250 rounds 9mm, came in when promised and shot fine.

keakar · #44 07-16-2013, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by joeintexas

Surprised to hear about problems with them, I only ordered once, 250 rounds 9mm, came in when promised and shot fine.

well I don't know how it shoots but it didn't look bad it was just not the same ammo I ordered.

scooter123 · #45 07-16-2013, 06:34 PM

Give them some time and they'll probably get your charges sorted out.

FYI I've reloaded using the Hornady XTP bullets and have to tell you that these particular bullets are VERY GENERIC looking hollowpoints. If you were expecting bullets with the insert like Hornady's Critical Defense you were incorrect in your expectations. The XTP bullets feature an open hollow point and look very much like the cheap hollowpoints sold by Prvi Partisan. In addition if you read the literature for the XTP bullets you'll find that Hornady claims an expension of only 50%, so they are NOT premium level Self Defense bullets.

However, if you load the on the hot side in the 45 ACP they should prove to be effective for Defense as long as they are well placed. Which is why I picked up 3 boxes. Fact is that I'm down to my last 3 boxes of Speer Gold Dots and wanted to have a fallback position in the event of the current ammo craze going on too long. BTW, I learned one lesson from this, that is next time I see Speer Gold Dot bullets for sale I'll purchase every box I can.

keakar · #46 07-17-2013, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by scooter123

FYI I've reloaded using the Hornady XTP bullets and have to tell you that these particular bullets are VERY GENERIC looking hollowpoints. If you were expecting bullets with the insert like Hornady's Critical Defense you were incorrect in your expectations. The XTP bullets feature an open hollow point and look very much like the cheap hollowpoints sold by Prvi Partisan.

yes I do know exactly what hornady xtp looks like and I also know what generic hp looks like. this is NOT my mistake.

see the pictures in the links above, these were not open hollow points and I would have no faith in them working as hollow points. I am sure they will open but never for certain or in the same way each time.