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Old 03-20-2014, 10:46 PM
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I've seen threads and people taking pictures and bragging about the hordes of 22 ammo they've collected. Right now, I think it's more about the collection of 22lr ammo than it is about shooting the ammo. I certainly don't see any signs of a bad economy. The restaurants are packed and the ammo is selling faster than it is made.

That's just my opinion... I could be wrong!
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Old 03-20-2014, 11:10 PM
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Wrong on both counts. Their objective is not to drive away customers, it should be to meet demand and maximize profits. The difference with Walmart is that they are so huge, they have distribution contracts in place and they are not chasing alternative distribution channels like the LGS is. Walmart's cost has remained flat, so their pricing has remained flat. It isn't worth their time to fret over .22lr. Notice, they do follow other models with other commodities such as fuel, milk, etc.

As far as an increase in gun owners without a corresponding increase in manufacturing.... umm, that defines how demand outpaced supply, exactly why pricing should be increased. If manufacturers increase productivity with new machines, or longer production runs, etc., we should also see a rise in retail pricing as those costs should be passed to the distributor, which then is passed to the retailer, which then passes to the customer.

The LGS is in basically the same spot as we are and thats at the bottom of the distribution rung. As to Walmart and the other chains they have raised their prices several times already and they are not going to mess with their customers by matching prices with those selling @$90 a brick just to keep 22lr on the shelf. Its in the retailers interest is to sell it as fast as it comes in.
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Old 03-20-2014, 11:51 PM
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The LGS is in basically the same spot as we are and thats at the bottom of the distribution rung. As to Walmart and the other chains they have raised their prices several times already and they are not going to mess with their customers by matching prices with those selling @$90 a brick just to keep 22lr on the shelf. Its in the retailers interest is to sell it as fast as it comes in.
No, it is not in the retailers best interest to sell it as fast as it comes in... it is in their best interest to meet equilibrium between supply and demand. That is the most efficient for their operation. By raising prices to market equilibrium, it maximizes profits and the same amount of ammo is sold, just at a higher price. Instead of it lasting 30 minutes though, it lasts a couple of days, until the next shipment comes. They don't have to match the flippers at $90 a brick, just raise the price though that it is no longer as profitable, or worth the time and effort to flip the ammo. When equilibrium is met, there is also no longer a need to ration ammo. As long as a $30 brick can be sold for 3x the cost, Walmart will continue to have empty shelves and restrict your purchase.

The price increases that retailers have instituted are very small, and I would bet that it has more to do with cost of raw materials than anything.

Cheaper Than Dirt has a brick and mortar store here in my area. My buddy went over there the other day and bought a brick of Golden Bullets for $40 so he and his boys could go shoot. Have no idea why he didn't call me as I would have sold him a brick at the price I paid, but I digress. Higher price than Walmart, but they have inventory and people are buying. However, the flippers are not lining up at their door to wipe out their inventory. I prefer to see stock on the shelf and have a choice to buy or not, vs. an empty shelf day after day.
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Old 03-21-2014, 10:51 PM
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Now to the Walmart statement. My bet is you don't know what you are talking about. My guess is you have no idea what the supply to Walmart is in regards to 22lr. I can tell you from my experience that 22lr is being rationed to every store that gets it. I've seen days when nothing comes in, days when a box or two comes in, sometimes they would get a full case

Yea, I live in Ruidoso, have 2 houses in Abilene and one in Palo Pinto county and I don't know what I'm talking about regarding Walmart, you attacking me on a personal level tells me a lot about you.
What's it like live in that beautiful border town
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Now to the Walmart statement. My bet is you don't know what you are talking about. My guess is you have no idea what the supply to Walmart is in regards to 22lr. I can tell you from my experience that 22lr is being rationed to every store that gets it. I've seen days when nothing comes in, days when a box or two comes in, sometimes they would get a full case

Yea, I live in Ruidoso, have 2 houses in Abilene and one in Palo Pinto county and I don't know what I'm talking about regarding Walmart, you attacking me on a personal level tells me a lot about you.
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I didn't attack you. I did though attack your statement (no 22lr hits the shelves of Walmart for more than 3 minutes, it's in the hands of Armslist/Gunbroker gougers)as it lacks support. I'm quite sure the parents and gun owners waiting for ammo would not appreciate being called gougers but that is what is going on these days. Looking for someone to blame for the lack of ammo we blame each other instead of those responsible. You know the manufactures, distributors and gun stores. Yet instead we blame each other. Thats wrong.
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I didn't attack you. I did though attack your statement (no 22lr hits the shelves of Walmart for more than 3 minutes, it's in the hands of Armslist/Gunbroker gougers)as it lacks support. I'm quite sure the parents and gun owners waiting for ammo would not appreciate being called gougers but that is what is going on these days. Looking for someone to blame for the lack of ammo we blame each other instead of those responsible. You know the manufactures, distributors and gun stores. Yet instead we blame each other. Thats wrong.
I can see both sides of this. I worked at Academy at the gun counter a few years ago, and a few of the guys that I worked with are still there. I've asked them about it and they tell me that they see the same faces every day that a truck comes in, buying as much ammo as they can. The guy at Walmart tells me the same... If it is the same people everyday, my bet is that they are reselling, especially if they are older, retired age.

I also talked with the manager at Cabela's, and he told me that they are seeing the same amount of .22lr ammo come in as they used to. Difference being that what would last a week or so a couple of years ago is now gone in 30 minutes. When I worked at Academy, we would get a truck 3 times a week, sometimes we got .22lr ammo, and sometimes we didn't. When we did, we would only get a case or two of it, in different brands. So the point is that the stores are still getting the same amount. Unless you are opening a new store, your re-stock does not come in huge quantities.

But wait, CCI said they have increased production by 50%... And Cypher, you said that you bet other companies are doing the same, so since more ammo is being produced, more should be going to the stores! I agree with this, but in the last two years, more retail stores have been built. The Cabela's near me is only a couple of years old. I have four Walmart's within 5 miles of me, two that have been built in the last year, and one under construction... everyone of them a super Walmart too. So while ammo companies are cranking out more, there are more stores to send it too as well, one case at a time. Point being, there is more ammo out there, but it is being spread so thin, as a consumer we don't really see it.
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