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22 long not lr any experience shooting this
I accidently picked up a brick of CCI 22 long 29gr when first looking for ammo for my s&w 22a-1. I understand that it works better in a revolver or a single shot rifle. Has anyone shot this. It is not the 22 cb or 22 quiet. I hear that it is low report and will slow down in a longer rifle barrel. I plan to use it for target shooting in my Heritage Rough Rider but am curious if it would be good for hunting in a 16in single shot rifle.
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You can use the longs in revolvers, bolt actions, pumps, or lever actions that are chambered for .22lr. They typically will not feed and cycle properly in a semi-auto.
Sure, you can hunt with them, but they are not as accurate as .22lr. The bullet weighs less, typically 29 gr vs. 36 or 40 gr. from the .22lr, and moves at a lower velocity.
We have an old pump gun that is .22 short only... fun at the range for short distance.
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I saw some at Scheels a few years ago and bought 'em just because I'd never seen them for sale before.
Gonna shoot them in the K-22 or my old Single Shot rifle some day.
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We shot some from revolvers during the height of the ammo shortage. More potent than shorts, certainly.
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They used to work beautifully in my old Marlin 39A, but so did Shorts. Both were decently accurate in that rifle.
I can't remember the last time I saw a box of .22 Longs. It's been years.
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.22 Long and .22 Long Rifle are the same cartridge except for bullet weight. That is the only difference.
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.22 Long and .22 Long Rifle are the same cartridge except for bullet weight. That is the only difference.
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I don't think so... the powder charge is different. If it were the same powder charge, the long should have a higher muzzle velocity, due to a lighter bullet.
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To the best of my knowledge (other than CCI CB Longs) the Long has been discontinued.
Shorts are supposedly still being made but very hard to find. Again, NOT talking about CBs.
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Long's work ok in a pump or bolt action for plinking and target work. Almost all of them have the lead round nose design which does a fair job out to 50 yards but the accuracy is usually not the best, that far out with its low velocity.
If they had a hollow point, they would be a lot better for game but they don't, so I use them for vermin at close range for the best results.
One thing good about them is that they are longer than the 22 shorts and easier to load in single shot rifles or if you have to try to load a pump with the action open.
You will enjoy them................
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.22 Long and .22 Long Rifle are the same cartridge except for bullet weight. That is the only difference.
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That is incorrect, they are different.
I have not seen 22 Long ammo other than from CCI for a VERY long time. I see the 22 Shorts fairly often but they now cost more than 22LR ammo.
For one thing the 22 Long uses a .222" bullet and the 22 LR uses a .223" bullet.
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The .22 Long is the LR case loaded with the 29 gr bullet that is
standard in the .22 Short. Way way back when I was a teenager I used
to buy them when I was short on pocket change. Back then Shorts
were cheapest, followed by Longs and LR was the most expensive.
They can be used for small game hunting like the Short and LR as
long as you can hit what you're aiming at. Velocity is higher than
the .22 Short but neither the Short or Long will usually group well
out of a rifle chambered for the LR.
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Never see longs around here, didn't know they still made them. Shot plenty in my day, but not in 40 years or so. Guess I need to get out more.
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My experience with the 29-gr CCI .22 Long is that it runs out of my single-shot rifle and various revolvers at the same velocity as the 36-grain .22 LR bulk HP ammo does from the given gun: it's not quiet (we're talking about 1250 fps from a 16" single-shot). I keep the .22 Longs on hand because sometimes you want a lighter bullet - I'm pleased to note that they shoot pretty right-on from my single-shot rifle, even while it's primarily sighted in for use with heavier (40-gr high velocity) bullets.
While the length of the case is identical to those used with the .22 LRs (except for those hyper-velocity things), many semiautos don't run reliably with the .22 Long, probably owing to the difference in bullet length/OAL and recoil impetus.
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As stated above, long and long rifle cartridges use the same case with different bullet weights. As for one being more accurate, the only thing I have read is on early Winchesters. The rifling twist was different for a rifle shooting either shorts or longs and that of a rifle designed to fire long rifle cartridges. Whether other manufactures did the same I don't know.
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I seem to recall that Hatcher or Roper, I forget which, made some comment about Longs being a little less accurate than Long Rifles. My inclination would be to believe either one of those gents without question. That said, the Longs that I have seem to be reasonably accurate out my H&R Model 195 at 50 ft on a 50-ft NRA TF-RF target. Worth practicing with.
They also work in my 1953 model .22/.32 Kit Gun, something that is not true for very many brands of LR ammo.
I wouldn't go looking for them, but I do have a few bricks, and they are certainly useful, usable ammo.
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I seem to recall that Hatcher or Roper, I forget which, made some comment about Longs being a little less accurate than Long Rifles. My inclination would be to believe either one of those gents without question.
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Another point to consider: neither gent mentioned was shooting the CCI brand .22 Longs at issue here.
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Wish I could find .22 longs for my C--t pre-woodsman.
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Another point to consider: neither gent mentioned was shooting the CCI brand .22 Longs at issue here.
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Certainly true. But in my experience, while CCI probably IS somewhat better than most of its competitors, I don't think it's in a whole new class by itself. But that's just guesswork - your point is well taken.
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Well, and considering it more, in support of their statement that you cite - I've seen a whole lot of competition .22s . . . and I've never seen one in .22 Long.
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The last long I could find in my area was by CCI..........
here is what they did in my Win. pump........ ( #1 )
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I didn't know they were still loading 22 longs. Stand one up alongside a 22 long rifle, it's shorter case is evident. Thats why semi-auto's don't function well with them. You can single load and shoot them for what that's worth. Revolver, bolt and lever guns usually don't have a problem with functioning.
When I was a kid the cheapest 22's were shorts, longs were next then long rifle most expensive. But the LR's soon became the cheapest and even finding more expensive longs became harder.
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Stand one up alongside a 22 long rifle, it's shorter case is evident. Gary
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I don't believe you're correct here - and I was just shooting these last week. As I stated up-thread in Post # 13, the casing length is the same (except for those hyper .22s like the Stinger) - it's the bullet length that's different.
I don't have any pix of my own on this, but here's an image from Wikipedia:
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I don't know about the newer CCIs but the old Longs (I remember Remington for sure and Western Auto put out Longs in a see-thru package for a time)) WERE a 22 short bullet stuck in a 22 Long Rifle case. As a kid I bought some Longs because I thought they kinda "bridged the gap" between Shorts and Long Rifles. I didn't like them. They didn't have the range of the Long Rifle, weren't as accurate in my Marlin 39 as Long Rifles and they cost more than Shorts. I remember that Shorts (as well as Long Rifles) were more accurate than Longs in my Iver Johnson rifle.
Why they didn't put more powder in the Long is something I never understood. It could have been like the 32 grain 22 Magnums that are quite popular.
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I read that 22 short uses 4 grains of powder. 22 long uses 5 grains of powder and 22lr uses 6 grains of powder. I would expect high velocity rounds use more powder than standard velocity. It would make sense that a stinger would have more powder.
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Has anyone ever pulled a bullet from a 22 and added powder? Not sure if this is a good idea but it may boost a 22 long.
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Keep in mind that the .22 Long came first . The Long Rifle was a later modification of the Long to use what was then an extra heavy bullet.
Try them in your particular rifle. If they shoot within minute of squirel or rabbit , or whatever , then you can use them to hunt.
I have seen them before , but can't recall when I'd seen any non-CCI .22Long .
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