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Anyone know where I can check out some ballistic info for the .32 s&w round? Not the long or the short just the s&w. Any info helps. Muzzle energy, penetration info and tests, ect. Thanks.
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I believe there are two rounds. One called .32 s&w and the other named .32 s&w long.

.32 s&w short is just another term for .32 s&w.

There are a few youtubes covering this. Search there.

The info is not as comprehensive as you probably want, but there is a little out there.
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Advertised as being effective at card table range, it was a pure bred pocket pistol, and always an underpowered, short range belly gun. 90 ft. lbs. at the muzzle, 88 grain bullet, all it would take is probably a thick pocketbook, a leather jacket, a watch, or cell phone to stop a round from it. I dont' think anyone takes the time to gel test them, because nobody thinks they are worth it. They are considered true rat guns, because it is about the only thing it is considered worthy of shooting, with any effectiveness.

I'm interested in penetration tests myself, but everyone who buys one does so for antique, cheap plinker, oddity, ect. The cartridge has not been a self defense favorite for nearly a century, and considering the .32 S&W Long, or .32 Colt New Police as it is also called, came after, the better performance of the long cartridge simply negated any real reason to carry the old underpowered one for self defense, or otherwise.

If you were to think of using an Iver Johnson pocket revolver for self defense, I'd suggest carrying a heavy rock, and smashing the attacker on top of the skull, this will probably be more effective.
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The .32 S&W would probably reliably stop an angry hamster, if you got a good hit with it. Dubious on a guinea pig.
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Haha thanks guys. My girlfriend actually got a Rossi revolver for 150 bucks. We went to the range and she loves it, shot it well, and seemed very confident with it (not knowing that it is apparently an even worse choice than a 22lr). I was impressed myself with the accuracy of the gun but it's a shame it's not very useful for defense. With a bigger piece of lead but very weak muzzle energy and probably nothing great as far as penetration would you guys choose a .32 short or a .22lr? She really likes it though so now I have to convince her to part with it for something better haha. She is very recoil sensitive, I think a .38 revolver would be ideal for her.
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If the Rossi is only a 32 S&W, and not a 32 S&W Long, than that's unfortunate, Long was actually a popular police cartridge... in the 1890's to 1930's. I've seen that Buffalo Bore makes some very stout rounds for the Long, with a heavy enough bullet for the .31 caliber, and enough energy to make it somewhat legitimate, enough to even perhaps say, let people on the net give a thumbs up to having someone who likes the pistol carry it. I'd double check the revolver, just to be sure, that it truly is only original 32 S&W and not the later cartridge.

As much as I don't trust a 22lr for self defense, and preach against it to everyone and anyone when the time comes for debate, its probably a better choice than the original 32 S&W, it will probably punch deeper. And than again, there is the .38 special as the great universal, which is my general ideal for beginners, and for anyone for that matter. Also consider the .32 magnums, which have enough power for caliber, and extra weight as well, and can also fire the 32 S&W and 32 S&W Long.
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This article talks a little about the buffalo bore loads for 32 s&w long and 38 s&w:

His results from a 2" revolver:

"The Buffalo Bore 115 .32 S&W Long yielded about 771 from a S&W 2″ barrel, while the 100-gr. WC delivered 852 fps. from the same gun."

The .32 S&W Long & .38 Smith & Wesson | American Handgunner

That's 151 and 161 ft lbs muzzle energy respectively.

That's right in the middle of the 38 special loads tested by the "ballistics by the inch" people for a 2" snubbie.

Of course, a BB sells 38 special ammo that would test higher.

38 S&W short is another matter. No ammo except very weak round nose available that I can find.

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We fired 18 rounds of .32 s&w short through it with no problems. We got it used and it came without the original box or manual or anything. Owner said it fires .32 s&w so thats what we bought for it. Is there a way to tell if it will shoot both short or long? Or if we should be using just short or just long?
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The .32 S&W sounds like a fun plinker that could serve her as a transitional gun to a .38 Special.

Personally I draw the line under .38 Special +P or its equivalent (the Buffalo Bore standard pressure 158 grain LSWCHP-GC) for self defense. But ultimately she'll decide what she wants to carry and shoot, and all you can do is suggest.
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If it is made by Rossi it will almost certainly chamber .32 long. They weren't even making guns when the .32 S&W was popular (the nineteenth century). Joe
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My grandfather told me many years ago " the secrete isn't what you shoot them with it's WHERE you shoot them " in this case it was hogs and his use of a single shot 22 LR to hunt them with. He always dropped them with one shot into the ear which went into the brain. He knew where to shot them.
That 32 S&W into the head will do enough damage. And a hit with a 32 is a lot better than a miss with a 44 magnum. Only hits count so accuracy and shooting well with it has a lot going for it.
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We fired 18 rounds of .32 s&w short through it with no problems. We got it used and it came without the original box or manual or anything. Owner said it fires .32 s&w so thats what we bought for it. Is there a way to tell if it will shoot both short or long? Or if we should be using just short or just long?
What does it say on the barrel? As was posted earlier I doubt if is a .32 S&W because that cartridge is old as the hills. It is probably a .32 S&WL (Long). If you can't determine from the barrel marking try a Long to see if it will chamber. Even if it is a .32 S&W leave her alone and let her shoot what she wants too and is comfortable with. Larry
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I actually have some penetration data on the .32 S&W cartridge. It's from "The Book of Pistols and Revolvers" by W. H. B. Smith. It was published in 1946 and my copy is the 5th edition of 1962. I'm pretty sure the ballistic data is pre-WW II. Penetration data for many cartridges is given as the number of 7/8" soft pine boards! For the .32 S&W it's 3 boards with an 85 grain bullet at 720 ft/sec and 98 ft-lbs of muzzle energy. For comparison, the .32 S&W Long is 4 boards, the .45 Auto is 6 boards and the .357 Magnum is 12 boards.

This cartridge was introduced in 1878 and was the most popular pocket revolver cartridge of its day. S&W made hundreds of thousands of break-top revolvers for this cartridge well into the 20th century. Those of you who belittle the cartridge need to realize that it pre-dates what we consider effective self defense loads by at least 21 years (the .38 Special) and it would be another 70 years before a revolver as light as the .32 Breaktop would be available in .38 Special! I'm sure the .32 S&W killed a lot of men and scared off a lot of would-be assailants.
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Hindsight is 20/20, or like regular sight only more finger pointy. I understand your historical perspective HKsmith, but let's also keep in mind other historical aspects at play.

Back before central heating, and automobiles, people tended to dress much, much, much heavier than today, and since they didn't drive there car here and there, and use it as mobile storage for key daily items on their daily routines, they often carried a great deal more gear on themselves. This means that it was very common back in those days to wear a coat, and overcoat, heavy wool layers, and have many items hidden away in coat pockets.

This invariably lead to many scenarios in those days of common pocket pistols, severely under powered, coming up against targets wearing heavy layers of heavy materials, with many a pocket book, flask, wallet, package of tobacco, badge, or trinket conveniently placed in chest level coat pockets, right in the way of a heart or upper torso shot. Of course, the most famous was Teddy Roosevelt's infamous assassination attempt, where even a mighty .38 lost enough heat from a steel glasses case and 50 page speech to lodge in the chest wall, and fail. By no means was he the only one in the period to stash items into internal coat pockets, and the only one to be shot in the chest, or to have rounds ground out in various daily items carried within.

Needless to say, for the close range kills the .32 S&W made, the chances of its failure to stop were, well, very high indeed. Its an interesting concept: we have better handguns, calibers, and loads today, and although people are bigger and thicker, today's style of clothing, as well as the tendency to carry very little in day to day activities upon one's person, actually leads to softer targets, whereas in the olden days the pocket pistols were gutless, and people dressing to stay warm and carrying half of their meager possessions upon them down the street, makes for much tougher shots against much harder targets.

True stories abound of that age, of bullets coming to rest in clothing and items, the old stories of heavy nickel badges stopping pistol rounds, ect, and the rounds of the era didn't help much. There is a reason why the .38 special took off, why .44 special enjoyed great success, and why the .32 S&W regular and long eventually faded from the mainstream into obscurity. Perhaps they would work better on today's half naked, half starved meth addicts as far as penetration goes, but I'll stick to 38 +p as bare minimum.

Now that I'm going on to long again, I'll say the only reason i consider the Buffalo Bore round to be interesting is that with 115 grains and a .31 bore, the sectional density, along with the extra power, might just be enough to do the trick. I'd never really suggest it, but if the woman likes the revolver enough, and can use the hotter round, than perhaps it could be considered at least somewhat maybe adequate.
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Thanks for the in depth responses guys. Really helps out. My concern now is that if this gun is supposed to fire .32 s&w long, were we risking injury to ourselves by firing the standard .32 s&w rounds? Or will most guns that fire the long round also fire the short?
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.32 Magnum will fire magnum, long, and short S&W

.32 S&W Long will fire S&W long and short

.32 S&W short, or standard, will only fire the original .32 S&W

Same way that .44 Magnum will fire .44 Special and .44 Russian, and how .38 Special fires form .357 Magnums, shorter cartridges of otherwise exact same specification are safe to shoot from longer chambers, and the .32 magnums are parented off of the S&W Long, which was parented from the .32 S&W. No negative side effects for shooting standard .32 S&W from a long, but research on this forum and elsewhere points to inferior performance in longer chambers, but otherwise safe. Don't confuse it with the .32 Short and Long Colt, which are slightly different.

What is the model of Rossi you bought, and have you attempted to ask any Rossi smiths/dealers/officiandos about what exactly it is chambered for?
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.32 S&W Long will fire S&W long and short

.32 S&W short, or standard, will only fire the original .32 S&W

Same way that .44 Magnum will fire .44 Special and .44 Russian, and how .38 Special fires form .357 Magnums, shorter cartridges of otherwise exact same specification are safe to shoot from longer chambers, and the .32 magnums are parented off of the S&W Long, which was parented from the .32 S&W. No negative side effects for shooting standard .32 S&W from a long, but research on this forum and elsewhere points to inferior performance in longer chambers, but otherwise safe. Don't confuse it with the .32 Short and Long Colt, which are slightly different.

What is the model of Rossi you bought, and have you attempted to ask any Rossi smiths/dealers/officiandos about what exactly it is chambered for?
All I know is that it is a Rossi Amadeo .32 revolver, and that it's really accurate which is a plus. I don't know a model number or anything like that. I will take it to a few gun shops and see if they can tell me more about it. If it can shoot .32 s&w long then that gives it a much greater capability as a defensive weapon. The only challenge then would be finding the ammo, as the only thing I've found in stores is the standard short round and they only had one type to choose from. So I probably would need to order online.
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Try ammoseek.com to find places to mail-order ammo. I've bought 32 S&W long for my Smith recently from several mail-order outlets. Lots available, and low cost. There may be some S&W short also, but not many choices for that.

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Keep those empty cases, 32 S&W and 32 S&W Long are not common.
With the price and availability of factory loaded ammo you might want to look into reloading or find a friend who can help you refill those empties.
I have a 38 S&W Top Break and thankfully can reload for it, otherwise it wouldn't get shot very much .
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All I know is that it is a Rossi Amadeo .32 revolver, and that it's really accurate which is a plus. I don't know a model number or anything like that. I will take it to a few gun shops and see if they can tell me more about it. If it can shoot .32 s&w long then that gives it a much greater capability as a defensive weapon. The only challenge then would be finding the ammo, as the only thing I've found in stores is the standard short round and they only had one type to choose from. So I probably would need to order online.
What is the caliber on the barrel? The long .32 will have more recoil and may be too much. Larry
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I would guess that unless the bullet from a 32 Long sticks out the front of the cylinder, not allowing it to close and rotate properly, that it would be chambered for it. Please have someone more knowledgeable than myself verify this before firing 32 Long ammo in it.

I am no Rossi expert by any means, but I'm unaware of them producing a revolver chambered for 32 Short.

I'm not recommending this either, but in a pinch, 32 ACP can be fired in a 32 Short chambered revolver. Again, do so at your own risk, as the 32 ACP is loaded to a slightly higher pressure than the 32 Short.
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Same way that .44 Magnum will fire .44 Special and .44 Russian, and how .38 Special fires form .357 Magnums, shorter cartridges of otherwise exact same specification are safe to shoot from longer chambers, and the .32 magnums are parented off of the S&W Long, which was parented from the .32 S&W. No negative side effects for shooting standard .32 S&W from a long, but research on this forum and elsewhere points to inferior performance in longer chambers, but otherwise safe. Don't confuse it with the .32 Short and Long Colt, which are slightly different.
The logic breaks down with the .38 S&W, which doesn't fit into any other .38/.357.
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The .32 and .38 pocket pistols of the turn of the century were thought to be quite adequate for self defense. One reason is medicine. A penetrating shot anywhere in the gut (stomach, small intestine, large intestine) was a death sentence. Not on the spot, but a day or two later. This is because a puncture spilled gut contents into the Peritonital Cavity which became raging Peritonitis, just like a burst appendix. There was no penicillin in those days, or any other antibiotic. Useable antibiotics were not really available to the average doc until after WWII .[You see old photographs of civil war dead and it looks like someone was trying to take their uniform off. This was the victim feeling around in his clothes to see if he was gut shot. The heavy in the Third Man (Orson Welles) was trafficking in black market penicillin in Vienna post WWII]. Consequenty, no one wanted to be shot, even with a little .32, and just drawing it was often a deterrent. As to the .32 as a pistol caliber, none other than Teddy Roosevelt, one of the great shooters of all time, standardized the NYPD sidearm in .32 long or .32 New Police, or a roughly equivalent cartridge, when he was Police Commissioner. I know from experience that I can load my 32.- 20 Colt Police Positive Special beyond .32 H&R Magnum ballistics, and the FPE is getting in to 9mm territory.

Nowadays, I still think these lilliputian pistols have their uses. I live in South Florida, where even a shirt makes you perspire most of the year. So it is amazing how the little pocket pistols fit into the pocket of your levi's or shorts without being obtrusive, and how pointable they are, especially with a 3-4 inch barrel. I bought a .32 S&W 'Lemon Squeezer' last week with a 3.5 inch barrel (it looks and acts like a 6 inch barrel on a regular size M&P), and it is amazing how concealable and pointable it is.

I once carried a Browning Baby, a semiautomatic in .25 caliber, as a concealed weapon. I could stand 5-7 feet from a fence post and not hit it half the time. That's because semi-automatics are not really pointable, whether a new Ruger .380 or no.

The .32 S&W must be judiciously handloaded to bring out its full potential. That being done, I know I can pull it out of my pocket and make a head or heart shot five times out of six, evan in panic mode. Let's face it, you're not going to line up the 3 dots in panic self defense mode. Even in its original loading, the 32. S&W will penetrate the pericardium or the cranium, and that's about all you will need. Next time you are at the pawnshop/gunshow, pick up one of these little wonders, and you will realize that gunmakers knew what they were about then.

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I bought a .32 S&W 'Lemon Squeezer for a parts gun several years ago.The cylinder face was all gouged and the seller told me it belonged to a U.S. soldier in Europe, and that's the only .32 ammo he could find. Since the .32 ACP has no rim, he gouged the empties out with a pocket knife. [Guess he never thought to push the empties out from the other end with an unsharpened pencil or a dowel rod.] Seller said former owner never had any 'pressure' problems, so I agree with this commentator. The .32 S&W has to be handloaded to reach its full potential. Loading data for the .32 ACP will probably give you maximum safe load; but so loaded it is an effective self defense weapon. To put this in context, If I were really expecting trouble, I would pack my S&W 65 in .357 Magnum, or better, my S&W 58 in .41 magnum. But these lilliputian guns have their place as being better than praying. No gun is going to work if it is too heavy to pack and you get in trouble later. Also recent gun commentaries on the Freedom Arms mini-revolvers would apply equally to these little jewels.
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I think a tripple tap with a .32 would change the game, significantly..A .32 might be weak but it's better than nothing......TIN....,
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Another commentator has pointed out correctly that a .32 S&W will penetrate 3 fairly thick boards. That means that even the factory loaded .32 S&W will penetrate the breastbone or the cranium. Down here south of Jacksonville and in much of the Sun Belt you will seldom encounter overcoats or thick clothing. There is a U-Tube demonstration of this board penetration if you will google .32 S&W. I'm confident that I can judiciously load my Lemon Squeezer to half again the fps and more than double the fpe. That is because the equation for pounds of energy is F= MV squared where F is force, M is mass or weight and V is the velocity squared.

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That Buffalo Bore .32 Long WC looks pretty good if you have to use that caliber.

The gun company is Amadeo Rossi, not the reverse. I think they're in Puerto Alegre or in Sao Paulo, Brazil. They've been imported here for years. I'm pretty sure they're chambered for .32 Long. The present importer or the factory can tell you, but the gun should be marked.

I think they DO NOT warrant their .38 Specials for US-made Plus P ammo.

I've read posts where owners preferred Rossi guns to the other Brazilian brand, Taurus.

If you need the address and cannot find it Online, contact the commercial consul at the Brazilian Embassy in Wash., DC. Address the Export Director at Rossi if you cannot write well in Brazilian Portuguese. Export Directors normally have English capabilities.

You can ask here in The Lounge for the company address. We have several Brazilian members. Ray in Rio de Janeiro is usually helpful. His real name is Raimundo, I think. He has good English.

If you write to the factory, you'll get a reply with a colorful Brazilian stamp and that should impress your girl.

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Ha ! I've chrono'ed .32S&W ( regular , not Long , often incorrectly refered to as Short ). This was then current american name brand ammo ( want to say R-P , could have been W-W ). Used a 3in .32S&W Long , and a 6.5in .32 Mag. The vels were fairly close , presumably allowing for more freebore , and more bbl friction in the longer gun.

Vels ran in 500's . The muzzle "blast" from the 6.5in bbl sounded like a pellet rifle.

The .32 "regular" has a very low SAAMI pressure spec , and I suspect the ammo mfgs load even milder out of deference to all the "suicide specials" that were useless junk even when brand new 130yrs ago. I suspect if you loaded some with FFFG black powder , they would exceede modern smokeless loads.

I very strongly suspect the OP's gun is actually chambered in .32S&W Long. If so , that's a 'nuther kettle of fish. It varies quite a bit from brand to brand , but typically +/- 700fps from 3in bbl. Not a lightening bolt , but certainly a level above .22lr and .25acp. Of standard SAAMI compliant factory loads , the full WC is loaded to same or slightly higher vel as the LRN, and is certainly a more effecent design. ( You occasionally see jhp's listed , but at these vels zero expansion.)

Before the introduction of the .32Mag , many loading manuals ( hint-Speer ) had a section of loads " For use only on modern swing out cylnder guns in good condition" that were close to .32Mag factory loads ( been there , chrono'ed those too). But w/o me holding the OP's gun , making my own decisions, and having those backed up by gunsmith, I will recomend the OP stay with SAAMI complient ammo. ( Yes this also precludes the use of .32acp .)

OP reports good acuraccy. Even SAAMI level .32S&W Long fills the niche of substantly more power than .22lr , yet substantly less recoil than .38spl WC. Thumbs up , and enjoy.
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It is what it was designed to be and not a 16 inch naval gun from the Battleship Missouri. It was created to be an extremely up close, “across the poker table”, arms length round to be fired from a equally dimuiative firearm. I found a well researched article written in 2017 by Terril James Herbert in Guns.com entitled “Gun Review: Iver Johnson Safety Automatic Revolver in .32 S&W”. I would care less about the IJ but what I found interesting was for the first time I found someone who ACTUALLY had done ballistics gel testing with the .32 S&W round and had published the results on the net. With Remington factory ammo the 88 grain bullet averaged 660 FPS from the 4 inch barrel. He fired the rounds through 4 layers of denim before entering the gel. The rounds penetrated between 14 to 18 inches into 10 % ordinance gel. Surprise, surprise! Well what about that folks! That will kill more than a Hamster now won’t it!
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I shot this into a softcover book @ 7 foot distance.
Mag tech ammo.
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Did much more damage than expected after reading some comments online of how weak the round is. I wondered if it could bounce back and hit me.
I don't use the gun for self defense it's kept in The safe but folks I would not want to get shot with one.
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Thatís nasty!
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Back to the original issue. If it is a Rossi, it probably was designed to shoot the .32 S&W Long, and that caliber will probably be stamped on the barrel. You can also see if a .32 S&W Long cartridge will chamber completely. If so, that is what you have. It will also fire the .32 S&W. Both will be as good as, if not somewhat better than, a .22 LR in a defensive situation. If you happen to reload, the power level and effectiveness of both cartridges can be significantly increased vs. that of standard factory ammunition. Both .32 S&W and .32 S&W Long cartridges are still available but may take some looking to find any. A well-stocked gun store may carry one or both, and I often see .32 S&W Long at Academy. And sometimes even .32 S&W.

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post a pic of the gun so we can better tell you what it was designed to shoot. either way it is a step up from a rimfire .22 et al.
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I've yet to hear a story about someone scoffing about the ballistics of the weapon pointed at them.

But...

There are numerous stories of determined attackers that were not stopped, or not stopped soon enough, by handguns, even in the magnum class. Some that come to mind are a guy on PCP who took 12 158gr .357 JHPs before relenting, and a guy shot nine times with a 9mm that drove to and checked himself into the ER. Another one about an old farmer shot 4 times through the torso, with a .357, by a home invader that not only lived, but fought off his attacker. I've yet to see a story like that re: 12g buckshot or .308 rifle fire.

So...

1. When it comes to brandishing, an attacker that will be dissuaded by a .50AE Desert Eagle will almost certainly also be dissuaded by a much smaller gun.

2. When it comes to putting bullets on target, even burly handguns often fall short. Shot placement is key. If you want to up your chances, get a long gun in a real rifle or shotgun chambering. If you want guarantees, buy a TV from Costco.
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The Rossi will shoot the .32 S&W Long . Rossi has been in business for over 100 years (1889 ) so they most likely made some revolvers for .32 S&W but not in the last 75 or so years . Unless yours is obviously antique it is not chambered specifically for the short cartridge . Longs are easier in my area to find than the shorts .
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I was given a partial box of old Remington factory .32 S&W about ten to fifteen years ago. At the time, I had two S&W .32 revolvers from the '70s. I chronographed the factory ammo and muzzle velocity exceeded 500 fps, but don't remember by how much. Truly a worthless round. I suspect one of the lead bullets would ricochet off many things that we assume a bullet should easily penetrate. Handloading would probably improve the velocity but not enough to make this a useful cartridge.

The .32 S&W Long is better, but I can't say I was impressed with that one either. If you have a .38 Special, you'll find little need for a .32 S&W or the long version.
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