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Does BB use RP cases? Any I have seen were loaded with Starline brass.
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John,
First off, welcome to the forum.
You're right that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, but I also don't think he's in the wrong for being upset considering the hype surrounding Buffalo Bore and the prices they charge for it.
I do think we can both agree, though, that he should chill out, call up BB, calmly explain what happened and politely request a refund.
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While it's he is not in the wrong for being upset, one can let the emotions drive you to make hasty decisions. I think his criticism is clouded with some emotion and not letting reason be the driving force in his disappointment.
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Here is what I am going to do. I have two boxes of 19H 357 Barnes Low Flash coming on Tuesday or Wednesday. I will shoot 10 rounds out of each box, every other round in the tray. Or maybe I will just shoot every single round. I will use my 686PC and my 586 L Comp that is coming on Tuesday as well. Either way I will report back.
But in all honesty, given all the research I have done on BB today and all the failures to ignite that have been reported, and all the folks who have complained about getting different bullets than advertised loaded in the cases, I don't know that I will ever use the ammo again. What are the chances I bought 4 boxes of BB and randomly had both of these problems...1) failures to ignite and 2) mystery bullets instead of the advertised Gold Dots. My guess is it is just not that random, but more common than you think. Just not cool for $2 a pop.
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Here is what I am going to do. I have two boxes of 19H 357 Barnes Low Flash coming on Tuesday or Wednesday. I will shoot 10 rounds out of each box, every other round in the tray. Or maybe I will just shoot every single round. I will use my 686PC and my 586 L Comp that is coming on Tuesday as well. Either way I will report back.
But in all honesty, given all the research I have done on BB today and all the failures to ignite that have been reported, and all the folks who have complained about getting different bullets than advertised loaded in the cases, I don't know that I will ever use the ammo again. What are the chances I bought 4 boxes of BB and randomly had both of these problems...1) failures to ignite and 2) mystery bullets instead of the advertised Gold Dots. My guess is it is just not that random, but more common than you think. Just not cool for $2 a pop.
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Buffalo Bore does (put on your glasses and read this well) NOT MAKE PRIMERS!! It's quite possible that a PRIMER MANUFACTURER had made a bad lot and no one will know until they shoot them as it's obviously sporadic as the rest of your rounds worked fine.
We live in a World w/o perfection and you are a perfectionist. You will not be happy here. Before whining incessantly here you need to contact BB to let them get to the bottom of the matter. That's how you handle issues such as this and not bloviating like a recalcitrant child. Be an adult.
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totally agree with kurac on loading your own. haven't shot a factory handgun round in so many years I don't remember the last time.
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Boge-What you said about Harrish was ugly.
l have seen BB ammo but disliked it because the packaging reminds me of cheap makeup.
l shoot ''Dad's Ammo''. The quality and price cant be beat !
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One of the biggest reasons I use buffalo bore is because I have had so many (too many) failures, incorrectly loaded, and terrible quality issues with Remington and Winchester ammo. I've Never had any QC issues with BB but I know it can happen. If they had a bad batch of primers and while ultimately its their ammo and their responsibility the blame might have to be on the manufacturer of the primers. Tim Sundles does not manufacturer primers. I have NEVER shot more consistent ammo than that of BB.
Like Erich suggested, call & talk to Sundles before making a drastic decision.
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Here is what I am going to do. I have two boxes of 19H 357 Barnes Low Flash coming on Tuesday or Wednesday. I will shoot 10 rounds out of each box, every other round in the tray. Or maybe I will just shoot every single round. I will use my 686PC and my 586 L Comp that is coming on Tuesday as well. Either way I will report back.
But in all honesty, given all the research I have done on BB today and all the failures to ignite that have been reported, and all the folks who have complained about getting different bullets than advertised loaded in the cases, I don't know that I will ever use the ammo again. What are the chances I bought 4 boxes of BB and randomly had both of these problems...1) failures to ignite and 2) mystery bullets instead of the advertised Gold Dots. My guess is it is just not that random, but more common than you think. Just not cool for $2 a pop.
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HarrishMasher--What I have found interesting about your issue is the fact that a "technical" article on his web-site proclaims that "I’ve discovered that although the ammo did not go bang, and it appears to be the fault of the ammo, in 98% of the cases, (98% is not an exaggeration) that is simply not true. The much more complex firing mechanism is normally the culprit."
https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...uct_list&c=139
I also found particularly interesting the two page manifesto on "Ammunition Shortages and Personal Preparedness." https://www.buffalobore.com/
"Preparedness" becomes a "Responsibility" when one opens the article (see new caption). I always found interesting the directly implied message that I can avert or at least mitigate social chaos by hoarding his ammo and it is my "responsibility" to buy his ammo!
But remember if it doesn't work, 98% of the time is my or my gun's fault!
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In 1987 I got my pistol permit, only after seeing my dad reload so I knew I could afford to shoot. One of my guns was a new 45 auto. I bought ONE box of Winchester Hollow points beacuse some one in a magazine (no internet then) I should use factory rounds in case of a questionable shooting. ONE of those rounds pushed the bullet back into the case and tied up the gun like its never been.
I now carry reloads because Mine are just as good as factory.
For carrying reloads instead of personal defense ammo, I don't give a hoot.
This is also why I carry a snubbie. NO bang? Pull trigger again.
To each his own.
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Yeah, that's not good.
It does validate my belief that any ammo for defense, even in a revolver, needs to be throughly tested before being trusted.
I feel 50 rounds is the minimum in a revolver before I trust a load. 100 is even better. Any problems with the ammo should reveal themselves, POI can be tested, and trust can be built.
Honestly, I would rather carry a revolver loaded with 158 LRN from a tested lot that hits to POA, than carry an untested wonder bullet.
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Amen on that I still use nyclads and silver tips circa late 80s and early 90s because I bought so much and I know it goes pow when I pull the trigger
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Stuff happens. I once had a new revolver that would not fire reloads. Factory worked fine. The reloads worked fine in several other revolvers, including the same model. Took it to a local gunsmith. Transfer bar was a bit too thin. Changed it and the revolver worked fine with the reloads.
Components can vary. Too thin of a rim could cause problems. I had a box of 357 Magnum ammo that would keyhole every round. It was only 20 rounds but I was not happy. Tolerances can stack.
I would check the firing pin protrusion on the revolver in question. Might be minimal.
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Just got back from the range and I am extremely upset.
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I've never used Buffalo Bore ammo. Don't know much about it.
And there could be many, many reason for the ammo not going Bang. Faulty firearm, faulty primer, manufacturing problem , storage,, etc, etc.
But, if I had the problems with any ammo that Mr. HarrishMasher had ,,, I would not be using that product again.
" fool me once, shame on you.. fool me twice, shame on me. "
Thanks for the information..
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If you read any of my posts above in full you would see I did more than my share of due diligence. I had failures to ignite in 2 other guns. A brand new 686PC and a 386PD. It is the ammo. I only tried 10 rounds out of the 20 in the box, and three failed.
2 in my Night Guard 1 in my 686PC and then tried all 3 in my 386PD, none fired.
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I'm confused. In your original post, you stated that you first ran the rounds through your 386. Then you tried the duds in your 65 Ladysmith with no success, then through your 686 (again with no success). So which account is correct?
If the OP is the correct order, I'm agreeing with some of the other posters...maybe the 386 is hitting the primer just hard enough to damage the primer pellet without ignition, preventing the rounds from firing in other handguns.
It's happened to me a few times over the last 10 years or so. I wonder if primers became less sensitive, or the priming pellets became more brittle after manufacturers changed their priming formulas to eliminate lead styphnate? I didn't experience this 30+ years ago!
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If your cabinet fails I wouldn't likely die if it failed. It's people like you that give businesses a bad name with your haughty attitude.
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Boge-What you said about Harrish was ugly.
l have seen BB ammo but disliked it because the packaging reminds me of cheap makeup.
l shoot ''Dad's Ammo''. The quality and price cant be beat !
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So you don't like it because of something it came packaged in? Would you feel better if they used a fancy box with glossy artwork that would cost you a few dollars more. Personally I toss the boxes so why pay more money for a container that goes immediately into the trash? One box for all ammo and one graphic is a great idea
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OP, if it is such bad ammo that you would never have your life depend on it, why would you sell it? If you sell it to someone else, are you not perpetuating the same behavior as BB? Even more so since you know it is defective ammo.
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Exactly. I would expect to get what I pay for. This ammo is obscenely expensive, and should be tested beyond what others do. For such a small company, there sure are a lot of bad experiences out there on the net.
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Kinda childish in my opinion. If they test every round thay would mean they shoot every round thus not selling any.
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Kinda childish in my opinion. If they test every round thay would mean they shoot every round thus not selling any.
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How about we don't bully the OP?
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How about we don't bully the OP?
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It's not bullying. Think about it, how can a company check ALL ammo for proper function? There won't be any to sell. Same as a food company tasting all their cookies. Some things are a one time use product, you can check lots but not each individual product.
And quite frankly it's absurd to think and expect perfection from everything ever made or would be made. Impossible! Let's be a little realistic!
I carry Speer Gold Dots. So far all those I've tried worked great but I don't know how good those the ones in my mag are. Could be total garbage, could have bad primers. I could have bought the one lot that QC missed. It's 50/50 until I actually shoot it, at which point I'd have to buy more and they can possibly be bad.
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Arik--l picked up a box of 380BB and it rattled like a box of rocks. The box was the size of Winchester 100 round value pack in 380. For only 20rds they cost MORE than a 100 rd value pack. Not an exotic bullet either,lt was 105gr LRN +P and 2 bucks a POP... l will say it again, "Packed like cheap makeup.Big box,big price, very little product"
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It's not bullying. Think about it, how can a company check ALL ammo for proper function? There won't be any to sell. Same as a food company tasting all their cookies. Some things are a one time use product, you can check lots but not each individual product.
And quite frankly it's absurd to think and expect perfection from everything ever made or would be made. Impossible! Let's be a little realistic!
I carry Speer Gold Dots. So far all those I've tried worked great but I don't know how good those the ones in my mag are. Could be total garbage, could have bad primers. I could have bought the one lot that QC missed. It's 50/50 until I actually shoot it, at which point I'd have to buy more and they can possibly be bad.
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By doing a simple random test of every batch of primers. Do you think I am saying to shoot every round of ammo? Do you think I am that stupid?
I have been shooting weekly for 20 years. I have built at least a dozen ARs, 2 22lr match pistols from the ground up, I do my own trigger jobs, I have owned 100s of firearms. I have taken apart every single one of them. I am far from a novice and know my way around the firearms world as well as anyone.
If you are going to sell the most expensive ammo out there and make astounding claims about it, you should back it up with the absolute highest level of quality control so things like bad primers and loading wrong bullets doesn't happen. I buy 4 boxes of their ammo and have both of these issues. That's a problem, and it shouldn't happen with their prices and claims.
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I'm confused. In your original post, you stated that you first ran the rounds through your 386. Then you tried the duds in your 65 Ladysmith with no success, then through your 686 (again with no success). So which account is correct?
If the OP is the correct order, I'm agreeing with some of the other posters...maybe the 386 is hitting the primer just hard enough to damage the primer pellet without ignition, preventing the rounds from firing in other handguns.
It's happened to me a few times over the last 10 years or so. I wonder if primers became less sensitive, or the priming pellets became more brittle after manufacturers changed their priming formulas to eliminate lead styphnate? I didn't experience this 30+ years ago!
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Two in the Night Guard, one in the 686. Then all three in 3 pistols. It is the ammo, not my guns. Why do you find it so hard to believe they let stuff like this out of the door at BB. Google it lots of problems like mine with BB ammo.
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They do do random tests but all that shows is that those rounds used worked. It's possible that your 3 were the only bad ones. Anything is possible. I get it, you shoot and build ok...great, no one said you were wrong only that you happened to get some bad rounds. Like I said before....people always complain about Winchester White Box ammo. Squibs, bullet set back, bullets loaded upside down, brass deformed, inconsistent pressures. All that and I have been shooting them for years without a single issue.
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Two in the Night Guard, one in the 686. Then all three in 3 pistols. It is the ammo, not my guns. Why do you find it so hard to believe they let stuff like this out of the door at BB. Google it lots of problems like mine with BB ammo.
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Maybe it is the ammo. Why not send it back to Buffalo and let them determine why you're having problems? If 3 rds were duds, there should be 1 or 2 more in that batch.
I just naturally shy away from $2/rd boutique "round of the week" ammo. I'm not real big on $1/rd SD ammo, either. Magic bullets have never been my thing.
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Does BB use RP cases? Any I have seen were loaded with Starline brass.
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Most that I've seen is in Starline cases, although I've not shot that much of it(I'm not a "rich guy").
With that said, I have a box of 38 special standard pressure "FBI Loads" that are loaded in Winchester cases.
My guess is that-with the component shortages that have come and gone over the past year and a half, the boutique companies(including BB) probably use whatever brand components they can get.
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I hope the OP never buys a carton of Remington golden bullet .22s.
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I believe everything I read on the internet.
There is an unemotional way to look at this. The OP has either a legit complaint with a bad batch of ammo, faulty equipment or a faulty testing process. Put the spear back please guys - this is not a personal attack just trying to digest all this and find a solution that makes common sense.
I am a novice gun guy. I have several handguns and fire a few hundred rounds every week at the local range. I don't carry so my concern out there in the field is very different than say an LEO. I've never used BB most of what I shoot is variety of new in box from many manufactures. I have found certain guns do not like certain ammo. If I did carry or need a defense handgun there are two I would use based on my experience shooting thus far- SW 642 as carry and my Glock 17. Both of these guns have never failed to fire and always go bang bang regardless of what I put in them. Here is a question: Let's assume two things - First the OP has a legit complaint with the ammo and for those of you that carry you want the gun to go bang not click. How do you deal with this? I have to assume with every maker of ammo there will be a bad batch that finds its way through QC doesn't matter how expensive the product is there will always be a failure from time to time. Nothing is perfect. If I carried I would buy a known brand and batch of one type of ammo, test the run in order to make sure I have reduced risk of failure and pack accordingly. Does this make sense? How do you LEO out there deal with this? OP sorry you are disappointed and I can understand your frustration but the universe is filled with imperfection. I have found the biggest element in the universe is stupidity and it never surprises me. Like the old saying only thing we can count on is death and taxes. If I were in your shoes my first call would be BB and discuss the problem politely and unemotionally. If you remain unhappy find a better solution and move on with a smile. However, my question remains: You LEO guys - how do you deal with a guaranty your firearm will go bang every time? Is the guaranty a backup?
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Here is snipet from BB website, I think it would be wise to check out your guns or have a gunsmith check it out before ruling out your guns not being the problem.
"3. S&W model 629:
Around 2006 S&W made several runs of their model 629 (44 mag.) iterations with too short a firing pin. Because of customer complaints, S&W soon realized the error and corrected it and replaced the firing pin in any revolver thus plagued, if the customer sent it in. However, you would not believe the sleep I lost with emails and phone calls about how my “crappy” Buffalo Bore Ammunition was causing FTF’s in some person’s brand new model 629. A lot of folks would say to me; “you must have gotten a bad batch of primers” or “my gun is brand new, so it can’t be a problem with my new gun”. Again, if the ammo does not go off, it must be the fault of the ammo………….
4. Trigger/action “jobs”:
I long ago lost count of the hundreds of emails or phone calls I’ve received over the years complaining about an FTF with my (Buffalo Bore) ammo. My first question is normally, “has your gun had a trigger or action job” or “are you shooting a Redahwk”? I am usually told something to the effect of, “well yeah, but what does that have to do with it” or “I bought it used, so I don’t know if it has an action job”. Folks, the most common and fastest way for a gunsmith to lighten your action or trigger pull is by reducing your mainspring strength and you’d be surprised just how often this will make your revolver “primer specific”, meaning your revolver will now fire some brands of primers reliably, but on other brands, you’ll get an occasional FTF. All US made primers are currently made within industry tolerances, so when you gun won’t fire one, guess what that means about your particular gun?"
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Here is what I am going to do. I have two boxes of 19H 357 Barnes Low Flash coming on Tuesday or Wednesday. I will shoot 10 rounds out of each box, every other round in the tray. Or maybe I will just shoot every single round. I will use my 686PC and my 586 L Comp that is coming on Tuesday as well. Either way I will report back.
But in all honesty, given all the research I have done on BB today and all the failures to ignite that have been reported, and all the folks who have complained about getting different bullets than advertised loaded in the cases, I don't know that I will ever use the ammo again. What are the chances I bought 4 boxes of BB and randomly had both of these problems...1) failures to ignite and 2) mystery bullets instead of the advertised Gold Dots. My guess is it is just not that random, but more common than you think. Just not cool for $2 a pop.
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I missed the part where you're going to call BB and discuss this with them? Ignoring what many of us have said here in this thread isn't exactly going to endear you to this forum...
Stuff happens. Call them and give them an opportunity to work on it, believe me, they want to know if they've got some bad primers!!
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Go easy on OP. He got 2 386's that had bad timing 1 with a loose top strap blast shield. He tried to get a special group buy on a gun that fell through. He's had some bad luck & now this with the BB ammo. I guess the more stuff you keep getting the law of averages works against you for things being the way they are supposed to be.
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I love Buffalo Bore ammo for my 45LC Ruger and Winchester. I also use their 357 ammo in my S&W model 28 and Ruger LCR.
I have never seen R-P brass used by them only Star Line brass.
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Re: OP. Someone once described golf as a good walk spoiled. Sounds like a apt description of your range trip. Been there... done that. Thoroughly understand your disappointment.
Buffalo Bore has a reputation for making very good ammunition. Doubtless that influenced your decision to buy and use it in your revolvers. I have no experience w/ either Buffalo Bore ammunition or the 386 NG, but would assume that you have experience with both.
Is this the first time you've had a problem with this Buffalo Bore ammunition in your 386NG? If previous experience has been acceptable, it seems odd that results would suddenly change.
Doubtless the three rounds that failed to fire were well struck. But, how did the primers look before the rounds were tried in the 65 and 686? The reason I ask is that no matter what the primers looked like after attempted firing in the 386, what they looked like after attempted firing in the other two revolvers would be irrelevant. As an aside... occasionally I've run into ammunition that failed to fire in a revolver/pistol that I knew had always been 100% reliable. Attempting to fire those rounds in other revolvers/pistols only left the primers severely dented, no one single time did any of those rounds fire when tried in another firearm.
Over the years I've occasionally run up on problem ammunition. In rifle calibers, the manufacturer was notified. The ammunition was always returned at their request. They always replaced it with new ammunition that functioned correctly.
In the last several years I've had some MagTec ammunition that failed to fire... three rounds to be specific. All the rounds in the other boxes from that case fired normally. The only other incident I have seen involved a church member who fired some very old Remington .38 Special LRN in his Ruger Security-Six. One round was a squib. He put two more rounds into the barrel before he realized what had happened. The revolver was beyond repair. Ruger sent him a new GP-100. Remington paid for the revolver and sent him replacement ammunition of current manufacturer.
Your frustration is understandable. However your interests would almost certainly be better served by contacting Buffalo Bore and expressing your concerns in a calm and thoughtful manner. Doubtless they will want to know of the problem you experienced. As well they can reasonably be expected to do what they can to diagnose the cause of the problem and to fix it.
If you no longer consider you can depend upon their ammunition that is of course your decision. Logically you would be better served to let Buffalo Bore see what they can find out about the ammunition in question while you have a qualified gunsmith make sure there is no possible problem with your revolver. That will preclude your possibly have future problems with your revolver using other brands of high performance ammunition. JMHO. Sincerely. brucev.
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In looking at you pictures again I see only 1 primer strike on the first 2 rounds and 2 light hits on 3rd round.
Also none of my BB ammo has red sealer around the primers.
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Looks like to hardend primers just a tad to hard. It does happen if the machine that stamps out the primers aren't set to the exact right number to cause the primers to be to hard for it not to fire or to soft these days because of what the anti-gunners did in 2013 during the gun control debate the went in file 13.
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I stay away from Buffalo Bore simply because of the poor customer response they give to people when you reach out to them about issues. Has anyone here taken the time to go through the links that the OP posted and actually read some of the emails people are receiving from Buffalo Bore?
YES, we get it. Companies make mistakes, even the biggest of companies. But the true measure of a companies worth is the way they respond to issues when one does arise. If a business is careless and smug with their responses to people who are actually paying them money, imagine how they are towards their suppliers and their manufacturing process in general.
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Don't open the package just refuse it Most places wont accept returned ammo refuse the shipment just to be on the safe side
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We're talking million of rounds and only a hand full of complaints that mostly are not the fault of the ammo. I don't know about you but that is a EXTREMELY good track record.
What ever the reason for the FTF there is a reasonable way to handle things and a unreasonable way to handle things
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From everthing I've read.....
From everything I've read about BB, most people are pleased as punch with their product. I don't think they would want a batch of bad ammo out there. Give them a chance to replace it.
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[QUOTE=Boge;138183649]Buffalo Bore does (put on your glasses and read this well) NOT MAKE PRIMERS!! It's quite possible that a PRIMER MANUFACTURER had made a bad lot and no one will know until they shoot them as it's obviously sporadic as the rest of your rounds worked fine.
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If you figure out a way to make sure primers are good before they are seated please let me know.
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Last year I bought some .44 Special ammo from BB that was warranted for ALL .44 Special revolvers. After less than 10 rds. the yoke was sprung and the headspace off the charts. I contacted Tim via e-mail and he was TOTALLY professional & forthcoming with me. The firearms maker repaired the gun for free after I contacted them.
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Has anyone here taken the time to go through the links that the OP posted and actually read some of the emails people are receiving from Buffalo Bore?
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Or supposed emails that is, given the the very positive actions of BB to Boge I'm sure many others as well. There isn't any consistency here and there is much more to those one sided stories as is usually the case with even customers that I have seen first hand. Some people we have worked for even lied about us so they could run us under, yes there are some of those kind of people in the world. Not saying that the OP is the is way, just the links that are provided.
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I have never paid $2 a round for ammo and don't plan to, but... If I did, and I had a 30% failure rate, there's no amount of "stuff happens" comments, that would make me ever trust that ammo again.
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Guys, I really can't blame the OP for being upset.
If he loaded 5 rounds in a J frame and 3 failed to fire in a SD situation, like he said, he could very well be dead. 3 rounds failing out of 10 is huge and very scary!
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One of the biggest reasons I use buffalo bore is because I have had so many (too many) failures, incorrectly loaded, and terrible quality issues with Remington and Winchester ammo. I've Never had any QC issues with BB but I know it can happen. If they had a bad batch of primers and while ultimately its their ammo and their responsibility the blame might have to be on the manufacturer of the primers. Tim Sundles does not manufacturer primers. I have NEVER shot more consistent ammo than that of BB.
Like Erich suggested, call & talk to Sundles before making a drastic decision.
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And here in is the problem. You had trouble with Remington and Winchester. In 2012 which was the last year I shot a full practice and match schedule I went through 25,000 rounds total for pistol,rifle and shotgun. At least 85% of ammo used was pistol ammo and of that 90% was WWB and the rest was Remington yellow box. Any problem experienced was directly related to the gun and not the ammo.
Our experience with ammo is directly related to the condition of our firearms from my experience.
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Or supposed emails that is, given the the very positive actions of BB to Boge I'm sure many others as well. There isn't any consistency here and there is much more to those one sided stories as is usually the case with even customers that I have seen first hand. Some people we have worked for even lied about us so they could run us under, yes there are some of those kind of people in the world. Not saying that the OP is the is way, just the links that are provided.
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I don't see how Boge's experience supports your comment. He said the firearms maker ultimately fixed the issues that the faulty ammo from BB caused?
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