http://www.winchester.com/library/ne...nd-defend.aspx

I found this stuff when trying to find a decent price on practice ammo. Interesting concept if it works as advertised. Or is it just a marketing gimmick? Been out for a year now, have any of you tried it?

I can honestly say that I KNOW my practice ammo does not feel the same or perform the same in my gun. And I know that isn't optimum. I have purchased quite a bunch of different ammo trying to find a combo that can do two things: 1- Shoot reliably in my gun. 2- Practice ammo shoot similar to carry ammo.

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-Roger

Got my wife a "Practical Handgun Course" at the Whittington center for her B-day last year. The required ammo was 500 rds of caliber of your choice, she used 38. She used my model 60 for the course, her 37 being a bit light for the amount of shooting going on. She shot 500 rounds plus in a day and a half of range time, all double action. Not a hiccup from the Winchester ammo.
After the course she tried the defense stuff and said she couldn't tell any significant difference. She also outshot everyone in the class with a 2" barreled revolver against all the other users with semis in .380, 9mm, and 40SW, myself included. I was using a Springfield Armory XD40 so no feedback from me other than I was quite pleased with the ammo she used.

In .38sp, it's loaded pretty light so I'd not actually use the defend stuff since its 130gr at under 800fps over my chrono.

Yes it is exactly as stated.

A training load and a defense load that are the same velocity, trajectory and recoil

Since this thread is only three days old, I will reply..........

Winchester also has a 130gr PDX1 load out for the snub nose
that you might want to look at.
It might be higher in price since it is a quality SD load but it
may also work for you.

I will try the Remington 125gr GS if I can ever find them in town.
No way am I going to pay shipping on just one box.

later.

I shoot Winchester Train & Defend (T) 9mm 147 gr. FMJ FN, and have excellent results! I manage to consistently group my shoots into a 3" circle @ 10Yds. I buy it at my LGS and pay $17.99 per 50rd. box.
I have found this same ammo online for less, but after shipping costs it comes out the same or higher!

mb

It tests as one of the top loads for short barrel 9mm.Right up there with 147 HST and RA9T Ranger T 147.Its right at 15 inches or so in bare and 4 layer denim.Really the perfect load for a shield.The defend load is also very low flash for at night.Were the training load is not.Winchester uses 2 different powders in the loads.A low flash load is also dirty just the trade off.As far as i know the defend may be bonded to.To me it looks like a form of the PDX1 bullet.But i am sure its tweaked some how as it does real well at about 870fps out of 9mm 3 inch barrel.No question in my mind this load is excellent and will be a good choice for gals packing 9mm.Or anybody really.Its very easy to shoot well and will be a good man stopper

My wife uses the Winchester® Train & Defend™ 38 Special 130gr (both loads) in her 357 Mag and 38 Special snubbies. I also use it as a range and carry load in my J frame #10062. It is highly accurate. POA & POI are virtually identical in all three guns.

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David
CW3 USA (Ret) 1968-1990

Excellent target ammo. I just bought 500 rds. of the Winchester
"T" -147gr. FMJRNFP from Selway Armory at: $13.99 for a box of 50 rds.
My M&P9FS eats it up!
Selway Armory
mb