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Not according to the NJSP firearms unit. They do NOT, will NOT recognize the 2010 revision to LEOSA.
The Sgt. that I spoke with on the phone a couple of years back about this very topic arrogantly asked me if I wanted to be the test case the next time I traveled to NJ? .
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He does not have the option to "recognize" it, Obviously ignorant of the law or purely someone who needs to be knocked down a few pegs. His opinion is what is found in a toilet. Carry what you feel safe with. Be Safe,
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oh heck..I got stopped by a NJ SP once for having a gun rack in my rear window...An empty gun rack. Luckily we were close to his base of ops and we had a discussion with his Sgt. Didn't go real well for him. Heck even being in Md that was legal...at the time.
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Actually, I do! 
I thought the review of the .380s that Shooting the Bull did a while back was pretty intriguing (the stuff goes to 12" but does not overpenetrate and does make a bigger wound cavity than ball), so I bought some for my 1934 Beretta.
www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/04/shootingthebull410/ammo-quest-polycase-arx-inceptor-in-380-acp-and-9mm/
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I found the Polycase Inceptor ARX 56-gr polymer/copper screwtop stuff was actually fairly accurate - about the most accurate of the stuff I shot from this gun. Furthermore, it had virtually no recoil (of course), ejected and operated fine, and gave good velocities and straight-on hits.
First group (of five, benched at 10 yards):
M 1174/S 64.89/D 27.53
Second group:
M 1187/S 101.9.D 36.72
Check out the three lobes of the bullets, clearly visible in the impacts on the target:
Given the results with this stuff in gelatin, I'm going to switch from FMJ (which could certainly overpenetrate) to the Polycase Inceptor ARX 56-gr for carry in the 1934. I need to run it through my LCP and the BDA before I commit there. |
My experience with the .380 ARX ammo is not pleasant as the pictures will tell. Lots of poly residue from bullets. The ammo left splinters of the Poly bullet all inside the frame and on/in the barrel. Notice the splinters that fell out onto the white paper when I took the pistol apart for cleaning.
arx bullet shavings 4.jpg
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Use your S&W M669 that you own and have carried.
Use 9mm FMJ that are legal where you live.
Go to the firing range often and concentrate on facial and crotch shots.
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I wonder if the OP will come back to check on this since the thread started about a year and nine months ago?
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I regret that I inherited a beach house in NJ.
It is not America.
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Use the money to build a vacation home in any number of 'decent' American states. And where ever you go fight stupid gun laws.
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Retiring? Head west my friend. Just across the river is the friendly place formerly known as Penn's Woods. You can carry anything you like just about anywhere you like loaded with whatever you like, and machineguns are legal to own as well!! Why bother with worrying about living in a state governed by idiot and policed by guys who wear hats like stormtroopers (hope you were not NJSP). Washington crossed the Delaware almost 250 years ago with no problems, no reason you can't come across heading the other way now.
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I wonder of the OP will come back to check on this since the thread started about a year and nine months ago?
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I will never have to worry about what I might bring to New Jersey, because I would rather beat on my toes with a ball peen hammer than ever go to New Jersey. I have some relatives living in New Jersey. That is their problem. If they ever want to see me, they'll have to come to Nevada.
But to get back to the question at hand; soft points, hollow points, FMJ, who cares. Just carry a .44 Special in a revolver or a .45 ACP in a pistol.
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I knew a guy who used unjacketed lead HP's, and used a silver, or gray wax crayon, to fill the hollow cavity, disguising them quite well. 
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Sometimes I carry my 45 auto made by "FATBOY".
Made in Argentina by ATI.
It is a snub nosed(3"bbl) 45 auto that has a 12 round magazine, plus 1 round in the chamber giving you 13 shots.
It's only defect is it is heavy! 45 ammo is heavy.
Recoil is normal, equal to any other 45 auto.
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Hollow points are designed to prevent over-penetration, a point completely lost on the NJ legislature. It is not uncommon for the hollow core to be plugged when penetrating heavy clothing, whereupon it acts like a FMJ bullet. A semi-wadcutter will inflict nearly as much shock and tissue damage, while remaining compliant with NJ law. A gummy point might be the best of both worlds.
Better yet, look for a compact .45 ACP. A 9 mm may expand, but a .45 never shrinks.
The 669 is an old model, but S&W pistols are usually rated for +P ammunition. A quick check with S&W will clear that up. A steady diet of +P might impose more wear and tear on the frame, but use for self defense with appropriate but limited practice time, is probably okay.
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The law is vague on this subject
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I shot my 669 for the first time in years today. It needs some work but still shoots great. Anyway, I'm a Law enforcement officer in NJ, about to retire. I'd like to carry this pistol, but I will no longer be able to carry hollow points. I'm told Polymer ball ammo is ok. What's the best option for a 669. I've heard it's best to stay away from +p, as it may crack the frame.
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At Bass Pro Atlantic City, they had a a pallet of CCI stingers and had to send them back because hollow points are not legal to sell in the city. As for the rest of NJ im not sure. Checked NJ gun laws online and found they are legal if not used for self defense.
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I live in KS. We have constitutional carry. I am a retired peace officer, I carry 165 gr. Hydra Shok .45 loads in my pistol. I qualify once per year for my LEOSA permit. I cannot but feel sorry for peace officers in other states that are subject to these silly laws. You have my support brothers & sisters.
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over penetration is overbought. far more likely to misscaltogeyher. use a flat point that feeds well that will pinch through and make a couple holes in the bad guy
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I only had a couple of actual law classes. One of the things I took away was the professors admonition: "Don't be a test case!" While you may get your name in the law books/journals if you win, you still do the time if the win has to take place in Appellate Court.
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I only had a couple of actual law classes. One of the things I took away was the professors admonition: "Don't be a test case!" While you may get your name in the law books/journals if you win, you still do the time if the win has to take place in Appellate Court.
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I tried the .380 ARX with my diminutive Bersa Thunder but have it in 9mm and .45 ACP Link to where I shot through a beef rib bone AND penetrated 2 gallons of water is here, pictures included. Ruger ARX .45 for the Shield 45
I would NOT want to be shot with this as I think it is quite lethal, especially the 9mm and .45 versions.
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Is Spoon Tip Ammo legal on the wrong side of the Hudson?
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Will the law permit you to keep using your standard capacity magazines, or will you have to replace those with 10-rounders? Another consideration might be testing magazines for function with your gun and ammo, especially if you are required to make a change.[/QUOTE]
Currently, the largest capacity magazine a civilian can possess in NJ is a 15 round magazine.
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I have been following this thread over the last couple days. It really amazes me that a state has this kind of law. Now don't get me wrong, lawmakers in my state are by and large, a bunch of self serving boneheads, but I really cannot imagine this kind of ammunition restrictions becoming law. I think even if this kind of law managed to get passed, I really can't imagine that it would be enforced here.
Maybe I should get out more...or not.
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A point to keep in mind, is that NJ is probably the only state in the Union to outlaw slingshots!
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A point to keep in mind, is that NJ is probably the only state in the Union to outlaw slingshots!
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NY banned wrist brace slingshots many years ago. However, I have seen them in a few stores that probably had no knowledge of this useless law.
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Pretty neat, like an old-school version of a Critical Defense round
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I should add....
Use a soft swaged SWC. The soft lead and the flat point will give some expansion.
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