I ordered 500rnds of new 124grn 9mm from Freedom Munitions during the Memorial Day sale. Well I got my order today and I am a bit concerned about the quality control with this ammo. As you can see from the pictures the OAL seems to vary quite a bit between these rounds. These are from the same box of 50. Out of 500 rounds there are probably 10 that are way off.

Well thats my story... What would you all do? I am a bit afraid to shoot any of it.

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Wow!
Don't shoot the short ones, lol.

Looks like they need to be run back through a crimp die.

Corbon used to look like that many years ago. That loose stuff is bad news.

That's too bad... I would send them back! It would cause me to question the rest of the loads for quality. Are these reaman? They sell remanufactured ammo. They missed the proper crimping stage for sure. You could test several others by using moderate "squeezing" pressure to see if others recess. They could recess without your knowing it while chambering. I'd get my money back. You want ammo you can depend on , not wonder about.

Call them and see what they are willing to do for you.

Don't shoot the short ones.

What could possibly go wrong?

Well "stumpy 9 fingers" is not a nickname I really want so... I have emailed them a return request. I like my hands and my guns too much to take that kinda chance. I will update as soon as I receive a response from customer service.

I'm curious, how much a box did these cost you with shipping included?

Why shoot lousy ammo out of a quality gun and take any chances. Sure the obvious is the COL but what about squip and double charge loads or poorly seated primers or even who knows what for gunpowder.

This would make a good case for learning to reload, at least then 'you' are quality control

That is shameful and I wouldn't give them another chance, there can't be any QC if they can't get the basics right IMO!

Don't risk your safety, have respect for those that shoot near you.
Karl

Agreed. Way to much risk to save a few bucks. They were $112 shipped for 500 rounds. So really it wasn't even that much cheaper than Fed 100 round boxes from Wally world. Just kinda hard to find 124 grain 9mm around here. I have heard nothing but good thing about Freedom but after seeing this I really wonder. Guess I'm gona stick with the big names from here on out. Or maybe its time to start buying reloading equipment. Well there goes some serious $...

You can buy new ammo from SGammo.com for just about the same
price. The steel case stuff is cheaper and now is polymer coated so it
doesn't stick in chambers. They also have Blazer aluminum at good
prices sometimes but it usually sells out fast. Why do you want to buy
reloads for the same or higher price as new ammo?

Just WOW! I've never seen anything that obviously bad.

This is ONE of the reasons I reload. Quality control can only be blamed on one person. Haven't bought any "factory" ammo in years.

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Not enough space

Send it back on their dime. That' s unacceptable.

When one of those cartridges are picked up by the slide and slammed into the chamber any offset could cause the bullet to be compressed down into the shell case. Over pressure would be the out come with that bulging the barrel/ maybe blowing the slide off . Wouldn't want to be the one with it in my hands.

I don't reload myself but they do they look as though they haven' been crimped as many are saying!

I would not fire any of those myself!

My first question is, what condition are the boxes in?
I have received ammo shipments (from other companies) where the boxes were damaged en-route by the carrier.

In the 3 years I've been buying from FM, none of their ammo has looked like those in your pic.
I HAVE though, seen WWB (100 round) Value Pack ammo that looked as bad as the ones in your pics.

Show them your pics and they'll make it right.

I agree. If some got collapsed/compressed from shipping or in being handled at the factory, I'd be afraid the ones that so far haven't been compressed would be on chambering. It just doesn't seem worth taking the chance.

Even the ones that look right....given that the "short 9s" made it through quality control.... I'd be afraid of squibs or overcharged.........

return to sender!!!!!!!!!!!!

They missed the proper crimping stage for sure.

I agree.......send it "ALL" back

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Paul
S&WCA #2726

I've got a case of 124 gr FMJ remans coming. I will be inspecting very carefully! Took them 8 days to ship.

NC

Like others I would not shoot it and send it back. I question if the short ones would even feed properly.

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Old Cop
LEO (Ret.)

OP did say "new", but from what I read on their website would be that the process of loading is the same.
I would be sending them back, and looking for a different supplier.

Those don't look good at all. I would not shoot them.. That being said I have bought and shot a lot of their reman ammo with no problems

Would you I shoot them ? Not only NO ,, but Heck NO !!!!

A few thousands can change the pressure curve of a 9mm a Bunch..

I don't believe that is crimp; I think that is the result of an oversized expander ball. The 9 has a tapered case inside, and the oversized expander ball has changed that case to the point the bullet is allowed to slide too deeply. I agree a crimp might help that happen, but the bullet can't go any deeper than the point of interference between inside case wall and base of bullet. There is an issue with the inside diameter of that case that has nothing to do with crimp, in my estimation.

It could also be a projectile that is a couple of thousandths under-sized and NOT be an issue with the case, too. That is another possibility.

I ordered 500 rnds of Speer Lawman 45ACP and when I got it many of the rounds were like that. Most wouldn't say Speer has a quality control issue. It was obvious someone had dropped the shipping box at some point during the trip. The vendor exchanged the hole lot for me.

Wow I'll be inspecting my handful of rounds from FM now... :s

I wish that was all it was with this. I would shoot the correct length ones. But the shipping box was fine and the short ones were random in the boxes of 50. If it was a dropped box you would think that they would all be in one spot.

I did send FM a email requesting a return label last night but so far zero response. I will give it another day or so then try calling them. I will update yall when I hear anything.

Yes, let us know the outcome. I was thinking of ordering but will wait to see the outcome before i do anything.

Owoooo! 9x19 millimeter, already a relatively high-pressure cartridge, fired with a too-deeply seated bullet equals a nasty and potentially dangerous pressure spike! If the ammunition is "remanufactured", are the cases mixed-headstamp/manufacturer? If you read through the loading manuals, you may well find, as did I, reference to 9x19 mm of different manufacturers as having differing case wall thickness. If the case is particularly thin-walled, resizing may not get the internal diameter down far enough to get a tight grip on the bullet, even if taper-crimped. I personally have experienced this when I was reloading 9mm years ago (I do no longer). The result is pictured by the OP. Please do not fire the short cartridges.

I believe the original post stated that he bought New ammunition.
I have ordered 500 rds. of FM new ammo and am waiting for it to arrive. I will examine it closely.

mb

Well I finally received a response from FM on Thursday and they told me they were going to send a prepaid label to return the defective ammo. That was four days ago and still no label...

I cant say yet if they are gona make this right or not but I can say I will never purchase anything from them ever again.

I've been saying how people that worry about a few thousandths difference in 9mm are too anal, but I'm WAY too anal to shoot those.

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"He was kinda funny lookin'"

That's just wrong.

I'm usually not one to make a judgement of a company based on one instance, but in this case, I think I have to agree with you.

The thing with the shipping label: I've had to return merchandise to two companies over the past three years. Both companies e-mailed me a return label in PDF format within hours. I printed it out, attached it to the package, and off it went the next morning. No fuss, no muss, and no delay. I hate to say it, but some companies haven't moved into the 21st Century yet.

I think the bottom line for me in this case would be if they can't handle a simple return label, I'm not gonna trust their ammo...don't care if it "looks right" or not.

ABSOLUTELY NOT! SEND IT BACK!!!!

Be sure to up-date and keep us posted with final results!

mb

I received my 1000 rounds of 124 grain reman ammo from Freedom Munitions and it all looks perfect. I shot 300 rounds of it this past weekend and all was well. I will order more.

NC

I have shot 1000's of rounds of Freedom Munitions Ammo, all was ordered online and delivered. All the ammo looked and preformed great. The only problem that I have ever had was a 240 round box of 7.62x51 NATO that was delivers as a 200 round box, I called them up and spoke to customer service, a week later the 40 rounds plus an extra 20 rounds. They are a stand up company.

so are you saying that the shorts are all from the same box? That would be highly suspect to shipping? I have shot the 124's and 115's both reman and new from freedom munitions. good stuff.
BTW. their CS is one of the best...SH** happens and they will make it right. Their brass program will really cut the cost of ammo. Order new when you can.

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I've ordered from Freedom quite a bit. Never had anything like that though. Did have some FTF's in 40S&W. Emailed them, sent pictures, of struck, but unfired rounds. They responded with a doubled shipment. They have me as a customer, for what little that counts.

I would give them a chance, but still be vigilant.

Wow!!!! Thanks for the post. I haven't purchased any FM. After seeing those photos, I don't think I ever will. I'm not a rich man, but to take a chance on **** like that isn't worth $1-$2 a box

I had some Blazer 9mm that had a few in one 50 round box like that. Also, 5 or 6 rounds of Federal American Eagle .40 with the same issue in a 100 round value pack. I have shot thousands of FM rounds over the years and have never seen that before with their ammo.

Really hate to see this, I have reloaded thousands of rounds of their xtreme bullets in both 9mm and 45acp with no problems. I wouldn't shoot any of those you have there.

I know this was some time ago... But sometimes email 'clients' will send stuff to your Spam/Junk folder if it doesn't recognize the sender. Could it have ended up there?

Did you ever get it sent back?
What was the outcome?

Thanks for posting pix of the Freedom ammo. It's one thing to have a manufacturing problem, but it's a whole other smelly kettle of fish to package and ship it. The simplest visual inspection shows the problem.

Bad company!!

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Bob.
SWCA 1821

I've ordered a lot of the reman ammo from Freedom all without a hitch all has been very good I get 9mm and 38 spl I would call them again about the return label.

I'd still be interested in knowing whether it actually was something that could have happened on the line, as opposed to something that happened during shipping, such as rough handling by the Carrier.

The shipping boxes don't have padding on all sides. The 50 round boxes are put into the shipping box, with wadded paper stuffed on top. If the Shipping box had been dropped a few times, there ya go.

I'm not trying to defend FM... Just showing how it could have happened besides in the factory.

Regardless of fault..

Just don't shoot them. Not ANY of them

Sorry for the delay in updating yall... Freedom did finally send me a UPS return label. Just received the refund yesterday. So other than being a bit slow not bad for a return. Still don't think I will be ordering from them in the future. Just a bit concerning how they let ammo that far out of spec out the door.

The short rounds were random in the 50rnd boxes. One in this box... two in that box sort of thing. There were even a couple rounds that were a bit long. I don't think it could have been shipping damage.