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Old 10-13-2015, 01:45 AM
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Elite Performance Ammunition

This looks promising.

Proprietary JHP design, but no sillystupid BS.

Anyone try yet?
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Old 10-13-2015, 02:01 AM
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I have run a few hundred through my 10MM Autos

I have a stash of 357SIG waiting for me to get time and go chronograph it through a variety of barrel lengths (3"-9")

There is supposed to be some of the 38Super on the way to me as well

Overall quality is good, functioning is also good
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Last April I tried some 10mm ammo and was completely satisfied - accurate, well made, functioned flawlessly and burned clean. I would be interested to know how it chronos.
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Last April I tried some 10mm ammo and was completely satisfied - accurate, well made, functioned flawlessly and burned clean. I would be interested to know how it chronos.
My new chrono was supposed to be here in September but I have been told it wont be till December now

This replaces my stolen Ohler 43 PBL and has similar functionality (except chamber pressure)

As soon as I have numbers, I will share them. I also have a case of the new 10MM Auto offering from barnes to chrono in 3 1/4"-14" barrels
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My new chrono was supposed to be here in September but I have been told it wont be till December now

This replaces my stolen Ohler 43 PBL and has similar functionality (except chamber pressure)

As soon as I have numbers, I will share them. I also have a case of the new 10MM Auto offering from barnes to chrono in 3 1/4"-14" barrels

Thanks! Looking forward to it. 👍🏻
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Old 10-13-2015, 08:21 AM
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There has only been a handful of reviews on it and not all reviews were good.....the reviews themselves were bad. Not enough info. What was done right showed, in this case a 9mm 124gr, performing as advertised.

With a gel block + denim the round expanded a little later and thus went deeper....15 inches. The bare gel shot expanded sooner and made it to about the 8 inch mark. Both rounds fully expanded to something like .62X and retained their weight.

Other reviews with 380, 9, 40 and 45 show that it usually expanded slightly more than other manufacturers but penetration was far less.....9 inches vs HST 13 inches.

However the only price I could find mentioned was $22 for box of 20 124gr 9mm. It doesn't seem like bad ammo but I think that overall you're better off sticking with what is proven, especially with price. Looking on SGAMMO right now they have the well proven 124gr Gold Dots LE box of 50 for $24. Federal is the same price but in 147gr
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Old 10-15-2015, 05:36 AM
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If I wanted to make money in the ammo business I would be making cheap good range ammo. I'd imagine the premium defense handgun ammo is less than 1% of every caliber's actual sales.
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If I wanted to make money in the ammo business I would be making cheap good range ammo. I'd imagine the premium defense handgun ammo is less than 1% of every caliber's actual sales.
I guess it depends on their sett up. Being a gun company their bread and butter is in firearms and I guess they're trying to branch out a little to offer their own quality ammo for their guns. Almost like shirts and baseball hats. Wilson Combat also offers their own ammo but like Sig, it's not their main focus. With defense ammo you don't need as big a factory as you would with making range ammo.
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Does not look good...

"I was not impressed with this type of ammo when we shot it..."
"It offers inconsistent performance that is outside the normal standards in every respect, including poor barrier capability."
- DocGKR

Ammo Quest 9mm: Sig Sauer Elite Performance V-Crown ammo test in ballistic gel @ ShootingTheBull410
"Disappointing. Did not deliver the goods."

Ammo Quest .380: Sig Elite 90gr ammo test thru ballistics gel & denim @ ShootingTheBull410
"Stuff I'd never use."

Sig 115 gr V crown @ The Chopping Block
Sig 115 gr V crown fired from 4" barreled Glock 22 with Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel through 4 layers of denim into calibrated 10% gelatin.
BB: 584.2 fps, 3.3"
Impact velocity: 1,242 fps
Penetration: 14" of gel and 12" of water jug
Retained weight: 115.0 gr
Max expansion: 0.554"
Min expansion: 0.429"
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I had some and shot it all when I went to the range.

I wasn't impressed by the youtube video.

Federal HST now resides in my guns.
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While SIG's .380 SD ammo didn't fare too well in the Shooting The Bull tests, SIG's .380 100g FMJ ammo might be worth considering for the range. I've been trying it out in my wife's SIG P250sc, and I've been impressed. I don't shoot the P250 much, but what I've found over the last few months is that the SIG rounds are substantially more accurate than the ubiquitous Rem 95g rounds I'd been using.

When I'm at the range, my standard accuracy check is the percent of hits I achieve in the 4"x4" box surrounding the bullseye on a 12" Birchwood-Casey E-Z Score target at 15 yards. Here are my scores from my last five range visits (covering six months) where I've shot the P250:

Remington UMC 95g FMJ: 60 hits/174 fired = 34%

SIG Elite Performance 100g FMJ: 33 hits/62 fired = 53%

I realize that this is a small sample size, but the trend is pretty striking. Since I have a bunch of both of these rounds in my stash, I'll report back after I get more P250 range time.
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I guess it depends on their sett up. Being a gun company their bread and butter is in firearms and I guess they're trying to branch out a little to offer their own quality ammo for their guns. Almost like shirts and baseball hats. Wilson Combat also offers their own ammo but like Sig, it's not their main focus. With defense ammo you don't need as big a factory as you would with making range ammo.
Are either Sig or Wilson actually making their own ammo at all? I thought they were subbing it out.
Ruger's new ammo is made by Polycase.
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The ammo is made for Sig, but I don't think any announcment has been made as to who. Looking at the VCrown, it kinda reminded me of the PMC Starfire hp. But then again, it could be anybody.
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While SIG's .380 SD ammo didn't fare too well in the Shooting The Bull tests, SIG's .380 100g FMJ ammo might be worth considering for the range. I've been trying it out in my wife's SIG P250sc, and I've been impressed. I don't shoot the P250 much, but what I've found over the last few months is that the SIG rounds are substantially more accurate than the ubiquitous Rem 95g rounds I'd been using.

When I'm at the range, my standard accuracy check is the percent of hits I achieve in the 4"x4" box surrounding the bullseye on a 12" Birchwood-Casey E-Z Score target at 15 yards. Here are my scores from my last five range visits (covering six months) where I've shot the P250:

Remington UMC 95g FMJ: 60 hits/174 fired = 34%

SIG Elite Performance 100g FMJ: 33 hits/62 fired = 53%

I realize that this is a small sample size, but the trend is pretty striking. Since I have a bunch of both of these rounds in my stash, I'll report back after I get more P250 range time.
I got to the range today, and fired 50 rounds each of the Remington .380 and the SIG .380 with our SIG P250sc. I alternated brands by each 12-round magazine. The target was the same 4"X4" square in the Birchwood-Casey target at 15 yards as mentioned above. Here are the results:

Remington UMC 95g FMJ: 23 hits/50 fired = 46%

SIG Elite Performance 100g FMJ: 35 hits/50 fired = 70%

Cumulative total of all rounds fired:

Rem: 83 hits/224 fired = 37%

SIG: 68 hits/112 fired = 61%

So far SIG continues to hold a clear advantage. I've noticed that the SIG rounds punch very clean holes in the paper, while the Rem rounds often leave jagged tears. Rem rounds are cheaper, but since I prefer clean, round holes in the center of the target, I'll stick with SIG.
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I got to the range today, and fired 50 rounds each of the Remington .380 and the SIG .380 with our SIG P250sc. I alternated brands by each 12-round magazine. The target was the same 4"X4" square in the Birchwood-Casey target at 15 yards as mentioned above. Here are the results:

Remington UMC 95g FMJ: 23 hits/50 fired = 46%

SIG Elite Performance 100g FMJ: 35 hits/50 fired = 70%

Cumulative total of all rounds fired:

Rem: 83 hits/224 fired = 37%

SIG: 68 hits/112 fired = 61%

So far SIG continues to hold a clear advantage. I've noticed that the SIG rounds punch very clean holes in the paper, while the Rem rounds often leave jagged tears. Rem rounds are cheaper, but since I prefer clean, round holes in the center of the target, I'll stick with SIG.
When choosing self defense ammo, accuracy is only one part to consider. The other is penetration and expansion. This is where the Sig ammo fails miserably.
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When choosing self defense ammo, accuracy is only one part to consider. The other is penetration and expansion. This is where the Sig ammo fails miserably.
Correct. I acknowledged the poor performance of SIG's self defense rounds in my first post. My responses to the OP were strictly evaluations of SIG's new full metal jacket rounds as range ammo for target practice. For that, they work great. For .380 self defense rounds, I use Shooting The Bull-approved Fiocchi Extrema XTPs.

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