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Old 08-23-2018, 03:11 PM
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I bought some of this yesterday. I'm going to test it out soon, and then probably the Underwood 180gr which zips along considerably faster.



The nice thing about .44 Magnum is you definitely don't need full power loads against two legged critters.
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I prefer the 200 gr. Gold Dot in .44 SPECIAL.

Speer Gold Dot Ammo .44 Special 200 Gr. GDHP-420334 - Gander Mountain
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Old 08-23-2018, 07:40 PM
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I bought some of this yesterday. I'm going to test it out soon, and then probably the Underwood 180gr which zips along considerably faster.



The nice thing about .44 Magnum is you definitely don't need full power loads against two legged critters.
That looks good!

I carry the Underwood 44 SPL 200gr Gold Dots. That said, I have a boat load of 180gr XTPs that I will end loading into some ~1300fps rounds and carrying.
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About a dozen years ago I saw a doe taken with a 4" model 29 loaded with 210gr Winchester 44mag Silver Tip. Based on what I saw the performance of that bullet on the doe was devastating with complete penetration from right side rib cage entrance and exit out the left.
Sounds good to me. Two holes are better than one.
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I also carry my 29. I am a big man so concealing is less of a problem. Like Dr. in previous post I like the Underwood 200 gr. Gold Dot bullet @ 1100 fps which is a compromise between 44 special load and a full 44 mag load. The more serious the game, the bigger and faster my load gets.
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Friend of mine bought a Model 21 TR Special to CC... He tried every available at the time .44 Special loads in lined up water jugs and could not get any of them to expand relaibly.

At the time I had a 4" 629-5 Mountain Gun that I shot the (now longer available) Speer .44 Magnum 200 grain Gold Dot Short Barrel Load from.

Velocity from a 4" was 1080 fps, modest recoil and muzzleblast. Duplicated a practice load with 10.0 grains of 231 with a Berry's 200 grain plated bullet or GDs. Speer has a section just for the .44 Special bullet in their reloading manual...

My friend sold the TR after finding a 3" 629 PC with fixed sights and when the load was tested in his gun expanded every time...

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Friend of mine bought a Model 21 TR Special to CC... He tried every available at the time .44 Special loads in lined up water jugs and could not get any of them to expand relaibly.

At the time I had a 4" 629-5 Mountain Gun that I shot the (now longer available) Speer .44 Magnum 200 grain Gold Dot Short Barrel Load from.

Velocity from a 4" was 1080 fps, modest recoil and muzzleblast. Duplicated a practice load with 10.0 grains of 231 with a Berry's 200 grain plated bullet or GDs. Speer has a section just for the .44 Special bullet in their reloading manual...

My friend sold the TR after finding a 3" 629 PC with fixed sights and when the load was tested in his gun expanded every time...

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This is what I was referencing earlier. I think that's why I like the idea of those Buffalo Bore lead rippers so much. I'm not going to get any expansion out of my bedside Bulldog...so might as well use a flat, hard, lead slug to do as much damage as possible with no expansion.
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Sounds good to me. Two holes are better than one.
Not always true. Hollow Points are used to not only limit over penetration but to also to ensure that all energy transferred from the round stays in the target/body.

A bullet stuck in a body causing internal bleeding is a good thing.
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I'll continue to carry the Speer 240GR Gold dot 44 mags that were the last Dept. issue 44 Mag rounds. These are in fact the remnants from the Dept armory. I doubt they're super fast out of my 2.75". Probably not a heck of a lot faster than +P 45ACP out of a 5" 1911. BBTI - Ballistics by the Inch :: Results
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Not always true. Hollow Points are used to not only limit over penetration but to also to ensure that all energy transferred from the round stays in the target/body.
The FBI determined 30 years ago that energy transfer does nothing at pistol velocities. More penetration is better.
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I tested out that Cor-Bon 165gr stuff today.

By tested I mean I didn't have a chronograph or ballistic gelatin.

I didn't even have any wet phone books or watermelons.

It was a mild, sharp kick that I'd expect from a light bullet at that speed. Very controllable from my 629 Classic 5". Shot a little low compared to "normal" 240gr stuff, also expected.
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I tested out that Cor-Bon 165gr stuff today.

By tested I mean I didn't have a chronograph or ballistic gelatin.

I didn't even have any wet phone books or watermelons.

It was a mild, sharp kick that I'd expect from a light bullet at that speed. Very controllable from my 629 Classic 5". Shot a little low compared to "normal" 240gr stuff, also expected.
I have shot the 165gr 44 SPL Critical Defense, which chrono'd around 950fps, thru my 21oz Taurus 445 and it was very manageable. I bet those Corbons are just about perfect from an N frame.
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I have shot the 165gr 44 SPL Critical Defense, which chrono'd around 950fps, thru my 21oz Taurus 445 and it was very manageable. I bet those Corbons are just about perfect from an N frame.
165gr at 1300fps is pretty much .357 ballistics. It's far less punch than any factory 240gr I've ever shot.

My daughter and I shot some 240gr loads that day, but they were .44Spl cowboy loads. She's 10 and had no issues with recoil from that big heavy 629.

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Hello all! I see that there are some personal defense loads out there in .44 magnum. Loads like the following:

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I think you've watched too many Dirty Harry movies. You need to worry more about over penetration. 245 gn bullet at 800~900 fps is more than enough for the Hulk.
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Since my earlier post Ive started carrying 210 gr Silvertips in my 3 629 instead of .44 Special loads, for no other reason than I carried 145 gr .357s for many years with great confidence and I like the nickel cases.
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I posted this in another thread, but I chrono'd some 44 SPL defensive loads.

Fiocci 44 SPL 200gr JHP (44SA)(I question whether this would expand at these speeds)

4" M29:
792/778/768/772/756/792 Avg:776

2" Taurus M445:
758/756/err/764/761 Avg:760

Underwood 44 SPL 200gr Gold Dots

4" M29:
1055/1071/1040/1070/1044/967* Avg=1056 (excluding the *Crit Def)

*=Hornady 44 SPL 165gr Critical Defense

Hornady 44 SPL 165gr Critical Defense

2" Taurus M445:
937/953/958/940/1017** Avg:947 (excluding the **Underwood)

**=Underwood 44 SPL 200gr Gold Dot (snappy in a 21oz gun!)

Those Underwoods are pretty dang hot for a 44 SPL round.
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My late friend of many years always carried a 1950 Target 44 Spl which he had reduced to 4"bbl length. He used the factory load of 246 grain lead bullets at about 775 fps. It was a ferocious manstopper and mild/controllable. Not sure if this loading is still available but a handload of similar power is fully adequate.
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