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07-05-2016, 09:25 PM
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Tula Ammo No Bueno
I had seen steel cased Tula Ammo for sale on line at very reasonable prices for .357 ammo. Wanted to try a box before making a bulk purchase and found some at Sportsman Warehouse. Ammo shot well and was accurate but just about impossible to extract (27-2) I only ran two cylinders of the stuff and gave up on it. I had some PMC ammo as well and it was fine so it was not the gun. I had read some reviews on the Tula for AK types and it was good, be careful in revolvers. Make sure you have a rod to knock out empties if you try it.
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I have never shot any Tula revolver ammo. Have shot a modest amount of it in .45 ACP. It fed, ejected and went BANG reliably, though it is a tad dirty. Perhaps the steel case just does not do well in the expand-contract-manually eject cycle of a revolver. I am sure that many people more informed than I will chime in.
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07-06-2016, 06:32 AM
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I'm interested in everyone's comments also. My Walmart has 9mm 115gr for under $10.00 for 50, but will wait to see what others think about the steel casing before buying any.
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07-06-2016, 08:12 AM
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I'm interested in everyone's comments also. My Walmart has 9mm 115gr for under $10.00 for 50, but will wait to see what others think about the steel casing before buying any.
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Many people just avoid it period. There are plenty of threads about steel case ammo.
That being said I have no issues with it. Of course I would rather have brass but I'll shoot steel just as well. Two weeks ago I shot a few hundred rounds of Tula 45acp through my Glock, Sig 220 and Springfield TRP 1911. An older guy I know wanted help sighting in his red dot and he never shot 45 before so I brought these 3 for him to try. Put about a 100 rounds through each one without issues. Guns didn't blow up....they didnt even cry or complain, the world didn't come to an end, no puppies were hurt, a meteor didn't crash and the sun didn't explode.
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The steel cased stuff seems to work just fine in semi-auto pistols and AK/SKS rifles. Now, my experience with revolvers is limited to trying Tula and Wolf steel case .45 ACP in three different S&W's and a Ruger Blackhawk. No go on extraction in all four guns. had to tap each round out individually by rapping on a pencil with a screwdriver handle. The rough steel expands and grips the chambers tightly. I would expect the .357 ammo to be even more prone to hard extraction.
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I've shot some, as in very little, steel case ammo over the years and never been very impressed with it. Had more failures with it than most of the brass ammo I've shot so it wasn't worth the slightly better price. Now that I'm reloading I will not buy steel case ammo ever again.
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07-06-2016, 10:19 AM
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I shoot Tula in my PTR91 for two reasons. 1) the fluted chamber can be pretty rough on brass if one intends to reload it and 2) the rifle flings cases into low earth orbit making recovery a challenge.
Other than that, I'm an inveterate handloader and I just prefer brass.
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07-06-2016, 10:40 AM
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Tula made steel cased 38Spl and 357Mag is a new venture for them and these loads have been on the market for only a couple years or less with the 38Spl load hitting the market this year. I have a box in each caliber but haven't tried any yet.
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07-06-2016, 12:14 PM
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I use steel in my ak without issue ( well except for a batch of herters I got a while ago)! But I have had issues with it in a a few ARs. . Seems to work ok in mine, but cases stick in a friends on a regular basis. Odd that my ar is a cheap, mixed part gun while his is a colt. Either way, I avoid it now for my AR and have never used it my pistols. I can afford a few more cents per round for range ammo and I don't think they even make any steel cased SD ammo for handguns.
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I shoot steel cased ammo consistently in my ARs with never an issue. That said, I buy only Wolf Polyformance or Military Classic. I think they are somewhat superior to Tula and Brown Bear in quality.
I have never shot steel in a revolver, only brass and aluminum. I have shot steel in my 9mm and .380 pistols. It functions, but seems to slow the action down just a bit to the point where I can feel the slide moving slower than it normally does. I normally don't notice the impact of the slide closing with brass or aluminum ammo, but with steel it seems to be delayed to the point that I can feel it as a separate event from combustion. I've experienced this is in more than one pistol of different makes. It works, but not optimally. For that reason I have avoided it in pistols for a year or so now.
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Do you clean it well after shooting .38 Special? I have found nothing wrong with Tula ammo.
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I have shot steel cased ammo in my SKS and the various pistols I own that are chambered in 9x18 (Makarov).
Zero issues as of yet, and my own experience goes beyond a decade with some of these. Keep in mind these are all surplus weapons and have likely been eating steel cases for greater than 50 yrs at this point.
I've read some of the concerns about damaging extractors, haven't seen it in these guns.
Regarding other calibers- I've read a few accounts regarding the Star pistols, they were often using steel cased ammo and should work fine. Someone suggested that the Star B and B Super might FTF with brass, because the magazine is a little too long and the brass ammo would slide into a bad position. I haven't experienced this happening either, but the recommended fix was to use steel 9mm, as the cases were rough and wouldn't slide.
Can't claim any usage of steel ammo in a revolver, but if it would extract, I'd have no qualms.
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My Glock 17 & 26 eat up Tula 9mm without issue.
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i've never shot it from a revolver, but I have run it in my P30 9mm, my Bushmaster 5.56 and in my old Taurus .45. I've never had any issues, but knew that it was dirty, before I shot it. I just made sure I was planning on cleaning the gun really well after shooting it. Its not bad plinking ammo, but I wouldn't use it for my carry.
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My only experience with steel cased ammo in a revolver is using the old WWII GI EC .45 ACP ammo in a Model 1917. Very difficult to extract fired cases, but it works OK in a M1911.
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Jeff Cooper noted that the steel-cased .45 ammo made in 1943 sheared the extractor hooks on .45 autos. He said it worked okay in submachine guns. He said that if it had to be used in pistols, lightly oiling the cases seemed to help. He wrote this after fighting the Japanese in WWII. Maybe the humid climate on those islands affected the steel cases, too. Steel rusts; brass doesn't.
Apart from not wanting to help the Russian economy, I don't think steel-cased ammo is a good idea.
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