Governor Moonbeam and his accompaniment of jesters approved a most stupid law that requires background checks of people buying ammo in the tarnished Golden State. So how do these morons propose to regulate those of us who hand load most of our ammo?

Moonbeam can background check my back side. Does he really think that such a stupid law will prevent criminals from acquiring and retaining tools of their industry? All it's going to do is inconvenience law abiding people who obey laws. Criminals don't obey laws, which is why they're criminals.

Here are 2 P-229 predictions: aggregate ammo in excess of a 1000 rounds will be considered a stockpile. Ammo above 1000 rounds must be disposed in an acceptable manner.

More that 3 guns will be considered an arsenal (rifle, shotgun, handgun). Arsenals will become illegal. All guns above three must be disposed in an acceptable manner.

My solution: politicians convening to usurp individual liberties are treasonous and dangerous to American culture and individual liberties. A gathering of more that two politicians at any one time will be considered a criminal street gang and prosecuted as such. Moreover, congressional sessions will be considered terrorist organizations and those in attendance will be arrested and transported to Guantanamo as enemies of the United States of America. This law will not apply to authentic conservative politicians who've taken seriously their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America.

Don't tell the governor that criminals could handload their own ammo and circumvent the background check ....then you will have to undergo a back ground check for bullets, bullet moulds , sizers, bullet lube , presses , dies,cases , primers and powder....oh my !

Yes, I do believe he does believe that. And when it doesn't, more laws...and more...and more...and well, you get the idea.

I suspect the Lt Gov will cover that one when he takes charge. Reloaders will become manufacturers requiring licensing and inspection with regulations that will make it impossible to do it legally. And more laws...and more...and more...

You guys not living in the tarnished Golden State would have difficulty understanding just how not free we are. We are ruled by one governmental entity or another 24/7/365. We're allowed to do only that which government has approved. And if CA could tax us for breathing, it would.

I have not bought a CA hunting license in at least 20 years. I've resolved to never again hunt in CA. Keep in mind that the quail is the state bird, and there's great quail hunting throughout CA. But I refuse to support this state if I can.

I do trout fish in the Eastern Sierra. It is one of the best trout fisheries in the country. When I bring a handgun for black bears, I have to assure it's concealed. Were one of the throngs of liberals who invade the Eastern Sierra to commune with the pagan spirits of global warming, Green Peace, and probably Black Lives Matter to see my handgun, he'll call the sheriff. But I can legally carry anywhere I want. All such a call would do is inconvenience the responding deputy and divert him from investigating and arresting dope abusing liberals.

You certainly sound frustrated. In my (and many) states a person can acquire firearms, ammo and reloading supplies as easily as getting out their wallet. I know the idea of buying a used firearm without government oversight is abhorrent to some, but it hasn't caused any problems here.

Why do you stay?

I'll bet you my loading press they will try to outlaw components like primers and powder... As soon as they see an uptick in handloading they'll move to further regulate the sale of loading components... As for the rest of us? We all are praying California will fall off into the ocean soon before the lunacy can spread further inland!!!

That's why I am stocking up on ammo as we speak through internet sources. I figure in three years I probably will have exhausted all that ammo, with the exception of those couple of thousand rounds that I lost in that canoe accident at Paradise Lake...honestly, I thought it would make good ballast!

Back through the years, there have been legislative proposals at local, state, and federal levels to restrict ammunition possession to small amounts. And in some states there are now various limits on ammunition purchases. For the most part, those past attempts have not gotten very far, but who knows what will happen in the future. But you can be certain that reloading will be part of any future ammunition limitations proposed. I suspect one of the first measures will be the requirement for some sort of license to buy and possess smokeless powder (an Explosive) which will prove so onerous in its requirements to make it impossible for most ordinary people to obtain one. That could be rather easily done under the guise of preventing "Terrorists" from obtaining bomb-making materials.

I am guessing they outlawed internet ammo sales? If not specifically, then it will be a secondary effect- if you try to buy online from another state, is that vendor expected to call Sacramento to make sure you are "clean?"

So glad I left that state.

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I read the new law, and they define "ammunition" to include cartridges and bullets.

So I suspect you will have to have your background checked to buy bullets for reloading. But that's from my reading of the law as a non-lawyer.

Didn't say anything about casting your own.

I predict a thriving black market importing ammunition into the moonbat state.

Maybe, but it's a felony.

Drive out to Nevada and buy it there. California has been ruined permanently.

So is selling drugs, murder, robbery, burglary, and an increasing number of other things. That doesn't seem to stop a lot of people or curtail their activities.

I wonder will it also be a felony to buy it in other states and bring it back with you for personal use.

Sry have to correct you, the new law does not include reloading components but live ammo consisting of a primer, case, propellant and a projectile/bullet not the individual components.

I believe so. A crime for sure.

You are allowed to bring in 50 rounds per month.
Part of the law mentions only loaded ammunition but another section specifies bullets, or any similar object that could be expelled for lethal effect. So... ball point pens?

...and how are they to know? Are they going to set up border crossing checkpoints on the roads into the state?

My whole point being that it is another unenforceable piece of feel-good legislation that the majority of gun owners are going to refuse to comply with.

Basically another way to make criminals out of otherwise law-abiding gun owners. Just like 99% of the other gun laws already on the books.

If you can stand to read this long convoluted law then I suggest Google SB 1235.

I only see the sale of ammunition as regulated and not components. Violations are misdemeanors.

This is just the beginning of using ammunition sale regulation to control the use of firearms in all matters of hunting and target shooting. Oh wait they did that with the lead ammo ban due to the Condors a bird that has a habitat which no longer exists is the CONUS. Hand fed by handlers and no proven lead ingestion deaths due to hunting.

This law was unnecessary, unneeded and will prevent zero crimes. It is all part of a larger agenda to limit the availability of ammunition to law abiding citizens of the state of California.

Think about this the next time you pick up a box of ammunition in a free state.

BLM

Sure stop me at the border while asking if I have fruit, vegetables. drugs, illegals, plants, ammo, rocks, dirt, paint, magazines, firearms, papers, license, registration ,insurance, fireworks, green card and on and on.


BLM

The other sections talks about selling or transferring bullets to a known felon/criminal which is a repeat of the current law anyway, criminals cannot purchase reloading components and manufacture their own ammo in Cali already. There is no limitation on the purchase of any reloading components for law abiding citizens stated in the new law. That doesn't mean that at some point they won't try to do so, I have no doubt that they will not stop limiting every aspect of the second amendment rights of Californians until a higher court stops them.

Don't forget the BB guns. Think of the children, it's for the children you know!

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Just wait until Ms Clinton gets elected....things will get worse .

No, but he knows it will make the sheep feel safer, and the sheep will think more highly of their head shepherd.
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I am so glad I left that state!! I feel for you guys that still live there...get out while you can.

Fox

Long ago I envisioned California as the promised land, and really wanted to move there. I even had several opportunities to do so which I declined for various reasons. Am I ever happy I did. To me, California ranks right up there with Chicago, New York, New Jersey, and Massachusetts as large holes full of fecal matter. I once turned down a big promotion which involved relocating to Chicago, as I became physically ill even thinking about it. I didn't go, and have never regretted that decision either.

I'm just glad that I live in the south!

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