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Here's two from long ago,70s'/80s' ? I was given them by a coin shop proprietor back then. Was only given two and put them aside. Headstamp is HYDRA-SHOK. Don't know the manufacturer. Not to be confused with the current Federal Hydra-Shok,but maybe they were Federals' early/initial version.

What you have is some original Hydra Shok 146gr UDL (Ultimate Defense Load) designed by Tom Burczynski.
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Here is Dr. Roberts again:

http://www.dlgunsmithing.com/uploads...ry_roberts.pdf

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'Unlike rifle bullets, handgun bullets, regardless of whether they are fired from pistols or SMG’s, generally only disrupt tissue by the crush
mechanism. In addition, temporary cavitation from most handgun bullets does not reliably damage tissue and is not usually a significant mechanism of wounding.'
I've the read the article and agree with the comments about temporary wound cavity. The engineering types with their slide rules and energy formulas would argue the opposite. I base my opinion on investigating shooting incidents and my personal observations at autopsies. Shot placement with good projectile penetration, where the projectile crushed tissue and bone, and remained inside the assailant appeared to be effective.
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T2C, are you the ghost of Deadmeat2?
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T2C, are you the ghost of Deadmeat2?
I am not familiar with the name. Is that someone who is/was a member on the S&W Forum?
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Deadmeat2 was a medical examiner who posted the thread "Tales from the Morgue" on this very forum 11 years ago. It is not available here anymore. However, it was such a landmark thread that it exists on the interweb in many places. Though it is impossible to know to what exent the copies of the thread have been edited.

Here is an example:

Terminal ballistics as viewed in a morgue

My favorite quote from deadmeat2: "A hollow point won't hurt a .45."

He noted that larger calibers, .40 and up, tended to plow through bone and other tissue, while 9s tended to be deflected and zip all around.

Another great quote:

'The standing joke in the morgue is to guess the caliber by looking at the x-rays.'

With context:

'You're correct in what you're thinking. Yes, the 9mm and .380 are the rounds I most often see on the autopsy table, but they're also the rounds that usually require multiple hits to make the kill. The standing joke in the morgue is to guess the caliber by looking at the x-rays. If multiple rounds show up on the x-rays more often than not it's a 9mm or .380 (or .32 or .25 or some mouse gun caliber). If only one round shows up, it could be an inordinately good hit with a .380 or 9mm, but more likely it's a .40 or .45.'
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Thanks for the link Gamecock. Interesting reading.

I had the opportunity to work plain clothes for several years and our local Forensic Pathologist was very good. We both learned a great deal from each other. She was able to teach me what to look for during an autopsy and I was able to relate what was seen at a crime scene and witness accounts of how a subject reacted to being shot.

It wasn't all self defense shootings, we worked our share of suicides and a few accidental shooting incidents. Some victims I interviewed at the hospital and some I saw at the morgue.

Deadmeat2 has a lot more time in the morgue than I did, no question. I'll have to search the internet for more of his posts.
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