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Old 03-28-2017, 06:59 AM
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I, unfortunately, experienced a "squib" yesterday while shooting my J frame using Fiocchi 130gr. .38sp. I've never, in over 50 years of shooting, experienced this with a well known brand name. It was the 5th shot from the first 5 rounds out of the box. I have 2 concerns/questions and looking for in-put; Would I be taking a chance shooting the rest of the box ( I'm tempted to dispose of the remaining 45 rounds) ??, and is this typical low quality of Fiocchi hand-gun ammo ( first Fiocchi I've purchased)??. Thank you in advance for your input
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Old 03-28-2017, 07:07 AM
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Fiocchi is a good brand and I have went through a lot of it. Squibs can happen with any brand of ammunition and this is the first I have heard of it with fiocchi. I have heard of it wit Remington, Winchester, federal, etc

I would shoot the rest on a day I had enough time to pay attention and ensure the rest shoots wekk
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If you'd ever seen a line of commercial loaders running full-tilt you would wonder how in the world you don't have a squib at least once in every ten rounds. Stuff can and does happen, and a single squib does not mean poor quality -- it could happen with any brand.
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I have shot Fiocchi ammo on several occasions and have not had any abnormalities other than the fact that it is VERY HOT! Consistently hot too - I'd say their standard velocity ammo is hotter than most American made +P. I did not have my Chronograph with me when I shot it so I can't quote you actual velocities, but you can DEFINITELY feel the difference.
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Old 03-28-2017, 08:30 AM
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Typically good ammo. You happened to get a bad round

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I've shot quite a bit of it over the years in various calibers and never had a problem. My biggest issue with Fiocchi is the brass as the flash hole tends to be way off center. While this isn't a problem shooting it and would not cause a squib it does make it more difficult to deprime the brass for reloading.
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Old 03-28-2017, 10:16 AM
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I agree that Fiocchi is good ammo but I know personally of 2 firearms that where seriously damaged by Fiocchi. One was a forum member who rarely posts, Michael Stern. This was sadly a 27 8 shot blue, one of 200. The cylinder was blown apart. S&W did step in but all they could do was fit a stainless cylinder to it because that was the only 8 shot cylinder they had. He traded this revolver to me.
The other was my nephew with a Daniel Defense AR15. It detonated in the chamber and stretched and destroyed the receivers. DD replaced the rifle but said it was the ammo that caused it.
While I know that a good majority of their ammo is really good, these two situations that I know to be true are enough to make me shy away from their ammo. There are others comparibly priced that I buy instead.
Not an internet troll here, just conveying two instances that I know to be fact.
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Old 03-28-2017, 10:19 AM
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as Chief38 says above, this ammo can be very hot...right from the factory.

With a J frame (or actually I suppose any revolver) could the recoil from possibly extra hot ammo slightly unseat another round in the cylinder just enough for a loss of initial pressure at time of ignition?

I have read of handloaders experiencing this "unseating" but usually their problem seems to end up with cylinder lockup, not squibs, but maybe just a thought.

Does the spent case crimp look any different than the rounds fired normally?
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Old 03-28-2017, 11:16 AM
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as Chief38 says above, this ammo can be very hot...right from the factory.

With a J frame (or actually I suppose any revolver) could the recoil from possibly extra hot ammo slightly unseat another round in the cylinder just enough for a loss of initial pressure at time of ignition?

I have read of handloaders experiencing this "unseating" but usually their problem seems to end up with cylinder lockup, not squibs, but maybe just a thought.

Does the spent case crimp look any different than the rounds fired normally?
Thanks for the response. I did check all 5 cases and they seemed to be OK. The bullet was lodged just ahead of the forcing cone and the space behind the bullet was packed with unburned powder. I'll break out the Model 64 to shoot the rest of the box, but will be extra vigilant re; consistency of sound and recoil. But no more Fiocchi for me
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I'd notify Fiocchi before you shot up the rest of the box, they might want the ammo for testing and they will likely comp you replacement ammo.
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I agree that Fiocchi is good ammo but I know personally of 2 firearms that where seriously damaged by Fiocchi. One was a forum member who rarely posts, Michael Stern. This was sadly a 27 8 shot blue, one of 200. The cylinder was blown apart. S&W did step in but all they could do was fit a stainless cylinder to it because that was the only 8 shot cylinder they had. He traded this revolver to me.
The other was my nephew with a Daniel Defense AR15. It detonated in the chamber and stretched and destroyed the receivers. DD replaced the rifle but said it was the ammo that caused it.
While I know that a good majority of their ammo is really good, these two situations that I know to be true are enough to make me shy away from their ammo. There are others comparibly priced that I buy instead.
Not an internet troll here, just conveying two instances that I know to be fact.
Sounds like manufacturing defects on the firearms and they didn't want to take the blame
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Old 03-28-2017, 11:57 AM
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They should be notified and you can get another box if.......
you want to try this brand again.
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Old 03-28-2017, 12:02 PM
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I've shot a whole bunch of Fiocchi in 9 mm and .38 and never had a problem. I would say it's just one bad round.
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Do Not shoot the rest of the box. Keep everything (paper box and remaining rounds) together, and CALL them. Email is not sufficient.

They will likely provide a return label (they will want to tear down the rest of the box to see if it was a larger problem).
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Thanks for the response. I did check all 5 cases and they seemed to be OK. The bullet was lodged just ahead of the forcing cone and the space behind the bullet was packed with unburned powder. I'll break out the Model 64 to shoot the rest of the box, but will be extra vigilant re; consistency of sound and recoil. But no more Fiocchi for me
Every ammo manufacturer has had this problem. Might as well avoid them all. Besides that many manufacturers make ammo for each other

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Old 03-28-2017, 12:23 PM
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Fiocchi is a good brand and I have went through a lot of it. Squibs can happen with any brand of ammunition and this is the first I have heard of it with fiocchi. I have heard of it wit Remington, Winchester, federal, etc

I would shoot the rest on a day I had enough time to pay attention and ensure the rest shoots wekk
What he said. In 40 years time I've had some squibs from mainstream ammo. Not very many, but every once in a while. Probably enough to count on one hand. The one I've had have always been dead primer, not really a squib. Probably that primer didn't get any compound in it because they haven't gone off at all, in spite of repeated tries. When they are dead. They are REALLY dead.
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I've never had what the OP described with the bullet down the barrel and packed powder, All of my factory ammo issues were primer issues, I then just tear down the ammo and and re-use the case and bullets.
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Out of curiosity how long is your barrel? I've never seen a squib in a snub.
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Reasons such as this are why I've reloaded all my ammo for the past 14 years.
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I'd notify Fiocchi before you shot up the rest of the box, they might want the ammo for testing and they will likely comp you replacement ammo.
+1 on this. Also check the box for a Lot# and give that to them as well. I've had a few Squibs over the years and most mfg. are very good about working with you on the problem. Sometimes, they'll arrange for UPS to pick of the remaining rounds for testing and in every case, they've been very generous about compensating me for any costs.
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Out of curiosity how long is your barrel? I've never seen a squib in a snub.
1 7/8" J frame. The bullet was lodge at about the muzzle end of the forcing cone. I've shot over 500 rounds through this gun and never a problem.
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Primer did not ignite the powder.
Primer had enough energy to force bullet into the barrel.
Agree Fiocchi would want to know if they have a bad batch of powder.
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I've had misfires in reloaded ammunition like gangbusters the last few years when quality wasn't near what it ought to be. In fact, the last 3-4 years I've had at least a dozen misfires.
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Thanks for all your comments and suggestions. I now realize how fortunate I've been over the years, as this is my first squib experienced with factory center fire ammo. I think the issue was as described by KWH in post #22. My gut reaction was to be upset with Fiocchi, but from what I learned on this thread, I agree there's no reason for me to "knee-jerk" , and I will call Fiocchi to explain the problem, and move on. Again, thanks all
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I just shot a box of the Fiocchi .38 last week. They all went off just fine. They were about as accurate as if I had just picked up a handful of bullets and thrown them at the target, but they went bang.
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Perhaps you could weigh each round and look for lightweights. As others have suggested I would let the manufacture know about it.
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Like others, I find Fiocchi ammo a bit on the warm side, and once in awhile scary warm. For that reason I tend to stay away.
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As others have posted I've always heard Fiocchi is loaded hotter than American ammo but haven't found any factual info to support that claim. Surely someone has run some across a chrono?

As far as the OP's squib load I agree that you should contact the company. I had an issue with a 10mm load from DT. They sent me a label for the remaining ammo and replaced it with another box of my choice.

As far as not shooting any more Fiocchi that is a personal decision however, if safety is really a concern then one really should avoid all ammo from every manufacturer that has ever had an issue reported. Now if their are repeated, verifiable posts showing a trend with the safe use of a particular ammo or manufacture that's a different story.
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