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Old 08-18-2018, 11:18 AM
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Be advised do not purchase Ammo from Freedom ammunition. They are in the process of bankruptcy and will not refund your money on past purchases. I have purchased their ammo in the past without any problems. But, two months ago, I purchased a box of 50 rounds of .38 special reload rounds and half the box of rounds did not fire. The primers were pierced and tried the rounds again but to no avail. I checked the gun and it was within specs. As of today, since I am a member of the Gun Club Of America, Jack Landis, Technical advisor, placed an advisory to not buy their ammunition. Apparently, many of the shooters at a range where experiencing the same problems with the 9mm ammo. The advisory is on U-tube with a 5 minute product advisory regarding their ammo. You may still see their ammo advertised but GCA advises that you do not purchase their ammo. GCA advises their members of problems with firearms and other gun related problems in the industry. Again, I am just relaying the information to the members on this site.

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We need to be clear about this. It’s Freedom Munitions.

Thanks for the heads up. Hopefully they will get it together. I never had any problem with them.
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A few months ago I patiently waited 6 weeks before cancelling, never had a problem with .38 spl or 9mm
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Freedom ammo has a KB reputation of a relatively disproportionate amount and other bad incidents/accounts compared to all other manufacturers over on another forum I belong to that caters to the AR15 enthusiast... They are considered almost as bad as Ultramax... That should tell you something right there!

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Be advised do not purchase Ammo from Freedom ammunition. They are in the process of bankruptcy and will not refund your money on past purchases. I have purchased their ammo in the past without any problems. But, two months ago, I purchased a box of 50 rounds of .38 special reload rounds and half the box of rounds did not fire. The primers were pierced and tried the rounds again but to no avail. I checked the gun and it was within specs. As of today, since I am a member of the Gun Club Of America, Jack Landis, Technical advisor, placed an advisory to not buy their ammunition. Apparently, many of the shooters at a range where experiencing the same problems with the 9mm ammo. The advisory is on U-tube with a 5 minute product advisory regarding their ammo. You may still see their ammo advertised but GCA advises that you do not purchase their ammo. GCA advises their members of problems with firearms and other gun related problems in the industry. Again, I am just relaying the information to the members on this site.



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They filed a Chapter 11. If it doesn’t turn into a Chapter 7, everybody should eventually get the ammo they ordered, or get their money back.

As far as their quality control, I have shot a lot of their ammo that I bought as new, not reloads, and never had any quality problems. I still have a couple hundred rounds 223 and in 500 big bore. I actually like the .500 big bore plated rounds because they shot pretty clean.

I read a little about this and it looks like their troubles are do to a general downturn in the gun/munitions industries combined with them being buried in debt.

I hope the problems people are talking about with their ammo is with reloads only.



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Old 08-19-2018, 10:07 AM
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I use to buy from them years ago before I started reloading. i noticed their parent company xtreme bullets had low stock.
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That's interesting.... I never had any problem with freedom munitions 9mm/38 special/40s&w and 357 magnum new or reloads. I've ordered thousands of rounds from them since 2015 and although their shipping is slow, I order by the 1000's to make the wait worthwhile. I mean if all you ordered was a box of 50 rounds then yeah, I'd get upset too if I had to wait 6 weeks. But they always took at least 2-3 weeks with my orders.
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I've shot multiple thousands of rounds of FreedomMunitions ammo, reman and new .223/ 9mm/ .45acp and only ever had 1 issue in all those rounds. Sad to hear about their problems, as it was a company I relied on for range ammo. Hoping they will get their problems resolved quickly.
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Before I started seriously reloading, I shot a lot of their ammo, .38 Sp, 9MM, and 45ACP. Never had any problems but I only bought their new stuff, not reloads. Haven’t purchased from them in over a year, still have a couple thousand rounds left of theirs.
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Before I reloaded I would buy quite about from Freedom Munitions. This last Thursday I was going through my ammo stock and seen a few boxes left so I figured I would use it up. On my 5th round of their .38 special range hollow points reman I had a squib. I didn’t shoot any more from the box. Took it all apart and reloaded the brass. Don’t plan on buying for them ever again.

I did use up a box of their 125gr .357 with no issues.
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A local range had a big lot (multiple pallets) of their ammo (various) on the floor. One day it went from 4ft tall to gone. I asked who bought it all. They said no one, they sent it back. Reason was too many issues. They saw a lot "in person" as that (their stock ammo) was what they required you buy for rental guns.

I've gotten the emails from them referring to the bankruptcy. I was not surprised.
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Using the OP's logic, buying S&W merchandise should have been stopped decades ago - and multiple times since . . .

Pronouncements of insolvency are akin to Chicken Little's machinations.
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I've left my complaints about the function of the ammunition I've bought elsewhere on the board. 45 ACP having unburnt powder in revolver, 38 Special inaccurate in rifle, mostly 9mm new manufacture and case head separations in my UC 9 Uzi. Even had a 38 have a bullet lose crimp and fall into the case cycling my Winchester 94ae. But I don't think that's the fatal problem.

First order we ever made had new/remanufactured mixed up, some 9mm were packaged poorly enough for bullets to come deeply seated. They corrected the issues, but other reviews even recently state poor shipping times and general office mismanagement of stock and orders and shipments. Something has never changed, perhaps even gotten worse?

I think the whole fatal blow is the fact that back after Sandy Hook FM was perhaps the only company selling ammunition at a reasonable price that was even available. Sure, the local Walmart might have factory at old market price back then, but you had to wait a month to hope you get what you wanted. FM exploded because it didn't jack prices up to the sky and used the market conditions to enter into the market with force. Probably everyone became familiar or a customer at that time because of that, sales were high.

Now there are tons of other remanufactured rounds on the market, worse standard factory from the big boys is plentiful, available, cheap. Their market edge has completely died off, they aren't the only choice for sane supply and price, they had to run on momentum from when they cornered a lot more of the market, but with other cheap alternatives for plinkers and combat shooting training, as well as FM's constant shipping problems, wore out welcome and failed to be the cheapest kid on the block. Their day has come and gone, and I think its over.

FM's plight isn't that it has money troubles, its the fact I can buy S&B factory cheaper than their reloads. They have no market, thus no future. Companies can survive severe cash flow problems, they can't survive market conditions that lead them to lose their market share and customers. I'd say they are approaching doom as they offer the customer nothing in terms of quality or price against superior competitors.

Sorry to say, i think the sun is about to set.
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Using the OP's logic, buying S&W merchandise should have been stopped decades ago - and multiple times since . . .

Pronouncements of insolvency are akin to Chicken Little's machinations.


It really is **** ammo though


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Freedom Munitions new 9mm was great ammo. Almost everyone in my USPSA club who didn't reload shot it and no one ever had an issue. We all miss it. There was at one time a Freedom Amunition, which was a different company and was **** ammo.
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I've only used their 10mm rounds and have had no issues whatsoever. The last I bought was sometime late last year. I hope this ends well for all involved.
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Freedom Munitions and Freedom Ammunition are two different companies.
Which one are you talking about hobby-gunsmith?
Please post a photo of the box or a link to the website to clear up the confusion about which company you are talking about.
I have seen multiple posts about issues with Freedom Ammunition products.
Not so much with Freedom Munitions - the sister company to Xtreme Bullets who is in chapter 11 reorganization right now.
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Freedom Munitions is the company that filed for bankruptcy. The ammo in question was their reloads. My affiliation with them is for reloads. As far as factory ammo, I purchase from the major brands for EDC. I recycle my factory ammo every year and on various guns I carry for reliability. As far as bulk ammo, I purchase from Georgia Arms and in the years using their ammo, I have never had a misfire or squib load. They use once fired brass and their ammo is top quality.

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Freedom Munitions is the company that filed for bankruptcy. The ammo in question was their reloads. My affiliation with them is for reloads. As far as factory ammo, I purchase from the major brands for EDC. I recycle my factory ammo every year and on various guns I carry for reliability. As far as bulk ammo, I purchase from Georgia Arms and in the years using their ammo, I have never had a misfire or squib load. They use once fired brass and their ammo is top quality.

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Thanks for the clarification Nick. Major bummer to hear that now Freedom Munitions is also having QC issues as a result of the bankruptcy.
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Their QC failures long precedes their financial problems. This is well established and documented.
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Their QC failures long precedes their financial problems. This is well established and documented.
Hmmn, OK, guess I must have missed those threads.
I remember ones about Freedom Ammunition, just not Freedom Munitions.

Not doubting you, but I guess i must've missed them somehow.

No skin off my nose either way since I don't buy anyone else's reloads - I just buy components to load my own.
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I'm not saying that these discussions were specific to this particular forum, but they are scattered all over many gun forums. The first instance that I recall was quite laugh-worthy... Xtreme Bullets had been up and running successfully for a stretch and on their site, they were so proud to debut the beginnings of Freedom Munitions. If you've been on the site, they love to use very large, detailed, hi-res images, many of them quite zoomed in, in your face for a visual effect. Well, they showed a substantial pile of shiny, loaded 9mm ammo and it took very little scanning over the picture to find a loaded round that clearly had the primer backwards. Facebook fiends jumped all over them and their first response was simply "no worries, that was just a quick photo of pre-production test ammo" or some such total nonsense.

Later, I recall a fellow got himself a box of 9mm ammo where one of the rounds was a 9mm slug (115 or 124, I don't recall) that was loaded in to a piece of .380 brass, with what one can only casually assume must have been a powder charge appropriate for 9mm. As a handloader yourself, come to your own conclusions about that one.

Numerous failures, kabooms, returned boxes, returned cases... the stuff isn't high quality and that's since DAY ONE. Or, according to Freedom, since day-minus-1.

Of course, in any thread about this ammunition, you'll get posters who claim to have burned through thousands of rounds and piles of ammo without incident. Sure, I believe them, I have no reason to doubt them. You can also freebase cocaine on the weekends and live through it, many do, many have, many will. This doesn't make it a good plan and people are still going to call in dead for work Monday due to recreational drug use on the weekends, regardless of how many folks have claimed to have done it with no ill effect.

I have never purchased nor shot any of their stuff. I've bought more Xtreme bullets than many folks would comprehend. It's my opinion that whether anyone ever realizes or cares to admit it, by and large, gun owning American shooters will be better off when this junk has fallen off the face of the Earth.

If you bought Freedom Munitions and it was fantastic for you, excellent. That doesn't make this junk good. That means you weren't one of the (MANY) unfortunate that had a lousy experience with a known, junk product. You won round one of Russian Roulette. I'd suggest you don't play round two, but whatever.
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It's unfortunate that Freedom Munitions has been dealt these cards. Just to touch on the subject, there are several companies lobbed into this bankruptcy issue and if you really want to get the facts on what is currently going on with the bankruptcy, I made a video explaining it on my YT page. Video here:


To be fair, I've never had any issues with the thousands of 9mm rounds myself and my family have fired from Freedom Munitions. Granted, I will not discount what other people have said about their lack of quality control as that seems to happen pretty often with 'value priced' ammo. I myself had issues with Olin Corp. (Winchester) manufactured ammo and have sworn off that brand for the sake of my guns and my safety. I've also made it a point to not play roulette with reman info either in order to save a few bucks. The positive about this issue is while one manufacturers door closes, it offers the opportunity for another manufacturer to pick up the slack and get their products out onto the market. There are alot of small companies that stand to gain the share that used to buy from Freedom Munitions, like Atlanta Arms ammo, Minuteman Munitions, Fort Scott Munitions, LaxAmmo, etc. etc.

Just my $.02 cents though.
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This.. they have blown up more than a few members pistols and an AR or 3 over on ARFcom where I've seen quite a few pics and complaints about in my 10 years over there. They sold it at my club back during the ammo shortage of 13'.. Nothing but problems.. even more than green box Remington branded .40caliber! That told/showed me all I needed to know about Freedom Munitions first and second hand news!
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