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tame 41mag factory ammo?
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You might check with Georgia-Arms . If they don't have what you want , they probably will make it . Great People to deal with .
If you know a reloader , 6.0 grs of 700X with a 210 gr bullet , cast / plated makes a nice " tamer " everyday carry load that is accurate and has less recoil . Paul
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I shoot LAX Ammo new manufactured 41 magnum ammo. The specs, according to their web site states it's a 210 grain full metal jacket and rated at 966 FPS. They are offering free shipping with a purchase of $99 or more until September the 4th I believe. Check them out.
$107.95 for 250 rounds in a plastic ammo can.
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$107.95 for 250 rounds in a plastic ammo can.
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Ouch. 43 cents a round. That’s why I reload for my 57 & 657!
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You might check with Georgia-Arms . If they don't have what you want , they probably will make it . Great People to deal with .
If you know a reloader , 6.0 grs of 700X with a 210 gr bullet , cast / plated makes a nice " tamer " everyday carry load that is accurate and has less recoil . Paul
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Agree with Georgia Arms. Their “Cowboy Load” is at 800 fps. It’s like shooting .38 Special in a Model 10.....
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I like the HSM Cowboy Action load I get at Sportsmans Warehouse, 210gr. @ 969fps.
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I like the HSM Cowboy Action load I get at Sportsmans Warehouse, 210gr. @ 969fps.
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If you reload, use Trailboss. General rule: fill the case about 3/4 full, think it is about 5.5 grains. Very mild with 215 Keith-type lead bullets.
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The 41 magnum is one of the rounds most helped by a bullet mould and reloading dies ... you can make 41 Special Loads ... inexpensively .
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I like the HSM Cowboy Action load I get at Sportsmans Warehouse, 210gr. @ 969fps.
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Me too, that's a great plinking load.
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I get a 'kick' out of every post that wants to shoot 'mild' loads in their magnums. Why buy a magnum if you don't want to learn how to shoot magnum loads? If you like mild shooting, then stick with your 22 rf.
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I get a 'kick' out of every post that wants to shoot 'mild' loads in their magnums. Why buy a magnum if you don't want to learn how to shoot magnum loads? If you like mild shooting, then stick with your 22 rf.
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A really nice, pristine M57 or M58 is worth up to $2000. For those of us who like to shoot our collectible guns, the light loads maintain the condition better.
A steady diet of full-power magnums over the years will lead to top strap erosion, wobble/shake, etc.
I also have a couple fast collectible cars. Occasionally, I'll get on the gas & rip the tires, but usually drive them in a manner that preserves them. They last longer and maintain their value better. Any equipment, guns included, lasts longer if you don't constantly beat the heck out of it.
It isn't that we don't like the feel of the magnum, just keeping the guns nice.
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A really nice, pristine M57 or M58 is worth up to $2000. For those of us who like to shoot our collectible guns, the light loads maintain the condition better.
A steady diet of full-power magnums over the years will lead to top strap erosion, wobble/shake, etc.
I also have a couple fast collectible cars. Occasionally, I'll get on the gas & rip the tires, but usually drive them in a manner that preserves them. They last longer and maintain their value better. Any equipment, guns included, lasts longer if you don't constantly beat the heck out of it.
It isn't that we don't like the feel of the magnum, just keeping the guns nice.
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A Lee dbl. cavity bullet mould , Lee reloading dies and a Lee Hand Press ... Think about the ammo possibilities .
The model 58 in my avatar has reaped the benefits of such a set up since 1971
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When I started loading .41 much more than I did previously, I bought some of LAX Ammo's ammo-can deals of 500 rounds of their fairly mild RN-FP cast bullet loads to augment my brass supply.
At the time, they were a pretty good deal.
Currently, anything having 'deal' and 'ammo' in the same sentence is pretty much an oxymoron.
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In any revolver , it is hard to beat factory "Cowboy ammo" for a light target load.
If you reload lead..........
for a light load it is hard to beat "Trail Boss" powder, if you have it.
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For a nice " cowboy ammo " type hand load , 4.5 grs of fast burning powders , Bulls Eye , Titegroup , Red dot using a 210-220 gr cast / plated bullet is a real easy load to shoot . Should chrono at about 800 fps depending on your gun , barrel length etc . I wouldn't go less as you might end up with a bullet stuck in the barrel . I will pass along this ! I recently tried Elmer Keiths loads for the 41 magnum using a 220 gr cast bullet . The first was 4.5 grs of Bullseye , 2nd was 7.5 grs of Unique . Both of those loads are a lot of fun and the point of aim and point of impact matched perfectly . His " magnum " load I won't print here as it is just too much for a Smith and should not be used . NO , the gun won't blow up , but it does really add to the wear factor . For " magnum " loads I would recommend current load data ONLY . Regards Paul
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Why buy a magnum if you don't want to learn how to shoot magnum loads?
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Because many of us would rather buy one gun that can shoot magnums when we want to and specials when we don't. Having a different gun for every power level needlessly complicates things.
I can and do shoot cowboy/Special, mid-power and full power magnums from my S&W 69 and enjoy all of them. But a cylinder or two of the magnums is usually enough in any one range session. Heavy magnums shoot high compared light loads but sighting in for the light loads and holding low when required works well enough for me that I am not going to buy another model 69. No way would I pay what 624s are going for to have a S&W chambered in 44 Special.
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I get a 'kick' out of every post that wants to shoot 'mild' loads in their magnums. Why buy a magnum if you don't want to learn how to shoot magnum loads? If you like mild shooting, then stick with your 22 rf.
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I'd gladly buy only .38/.41/.44 Special caliber guns if they were built with the heavy barrels of the magnum guns. I just prefer the heavy barrel. Had a Model 24, hated the tapered barrel. I have a Model 14, prefer the 66...or better yet the 686. I have a Model 15, hate the tapered barrel. Love the heavy barrel Model 10's vs the pencil barrels.
Having shot more than my fair share of heavy magnums I know how to shoot them. I don't need too anymore. In fact my arthritis from all those magnums pretty much prohibits it on any sort of regular basis. At least that's my Doctor's conclusion.
Taking your argument to it's logical conclusion it's either shoot a .500 or a .22. There's no room in between.
I guess according to you I should now sell the guns I've been shooting for years that I have accumulated brass, molds, and dies for and confine myself to .22. I don't think so.
You shoot what you want, I'll shoot what I want.
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Doubt it’s to be considered “tame” but the only other ammo I’ve tried in .41 Mag, besides the HSM combos load is the Remington HTP, 210gr JHP at 1300 FPS. In my 4”, 57-1 it has quite a bit of snap.
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Doubt it’s to be considered “tame” but the only other ammo I’ve tried in .41 Mag, besides the HSM combos load is the Remington HTP, 210gr JHP at 1300 FPS. In my 4”, 57-1 it has quite a bit of snap.
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A "Cowboy" type load in a .41 is more like a full-power .38 in a 6" M14. No "snap", very little kick.
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Is it bad my first load for my 657 was h110 under a 210gr jsp nosler, lol. Recoil wasn’t bad at all, and I’m no fan of being beat up. However, it is magna ported, so that tames it down. The muzzle blast was worse than anything. That’s not what you’re looking for, but magna port will help tame it down.
Be careful with trying the wuss powder charges, all I’ve found for 41 “special” loads are in forums. Too weak on the powder and a stuck bullet or worse will happen. Unique doesn’t fill the case very much in special length brass, bullseye darn sure doesn’t. But, I’ve never had trouble and use unique only for 41 special, it works better than I can shoot, so I stayed with unique.
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Actually I just checked a box and the Remington HTP I shot was the JSP not the JHP. Still a 210gr at an advertised 1300 FPS. This was from back in 2017. My local Gander Mountain had it priced at over $70 for a box of 50. When they decided to close the store I waited until the final day and bought up all they had left for $21.99 a box. It and .45 GAP were the only handgun ammo left in the store. Haven’t tried it in my 6” M57 no dash but suspect the 6” barrel might tone it down a bit over my 4” gun.
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Is it bad my first load for my 657 was h110 under a 210gr jsp nosler, lol. Recoil wasn’t bad at all, and I’m no fan of being beat up. However, it is magna ported, so that tames it down. The muzzle blast was worse than anything. That’s not what you’re looking for, but magna port will help tame it down.
Be careful with trying the wuss powder charges, all I’ve found for 41 “special” loads are in forums. Too weak on the powder and a stuck bullet or worse will happen. Unique doesn’t fill the case very much in special length brass, bullseye darn sure doesn’t. But, I’ve never had trouble and use unique only for 41 special, it works better than I can shoot, so I stayed with unique.
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Not so much "wuss" charges, but rather slightly subsonic or even sub-1000fps.
Biggest thing, other than burn rate, when reducing charges is VMD or case fill. 5 grains of Unique, HP38, or even 296 doesn't fill the case enough. If the powder is forward (toward the bullet) when the primer ignites there could be issues with burning. MAKE SURE WHEN LOADING LIGHT THAT YOU USE A POWDER WITH A HIGHER VMD -- it is safer.
The advantage of a high-VMD powder like Trail Boss is that it fills the case better with less powder. Trailboss=.2172 cc/grain whereas WIN296 is only .0656 cc/grain. Same charge, TB uses three times the volume.
You have to have really poor ignition, or be woefully undercharged to put a bullet in the barrel. Most stuck bullets (assuming the reloader used the correct size bullet) come from no charge at all rather than a light charge. If you keep your head out of your backside when shooting, you'll know if something (squib?) isn't right and will hopefully open the cylinder and look down the barrel to insure it is clear. Note: Open the cylinder first. (Had to say that or someone would gripe)
Some of the characters I've shot with in SASS use as little as 2gr. of HP38 or WIN231 in a 38sp or even a .357 case. They'll put a wad on top of the powder before seating the bullet. They get good ignition, but you can see the bullet fly if standing directly behind them. Zero recoil - I think it is cheating, but it isn't against the rules. Couple hundred fps rings the steel and counts as a hit.
For reference VMDs: TB=.2172, HP38=.0926, Unique=.1092, 296=.0656
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I just wish we could find some factory police load .41 ammo!
This ammo famine is awful.
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The original " Police load " was supposedly 7.0 grs of Bullseye powder using a 210 gr swaged bullet . I personally have never tried this load . From what I have read it " leaded " a barrel something fierce . After 5-6 rounds you couldn't even see the rifling because of the soft swaged bullet . Regards Paul
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The original " Police load " was supposedly 7.0 grs of Bullseye powder using a 210 gr swaged bullet . I personally have never tried this load . From what I have read it " leaded " a barrel something fierce . After 5-6 rounds you couldn't even see the rifling because of the soft swaged bullet . Regards Paul
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I bought my first .41 magnum in 1980, with more to follow in the years since, and shot a ton of the "police loads" with no leading issues. It's possible the leading was an issue earlier but they corrected it.
I carried a .41 mag. on duty for about ten years and it's my favorite cartridge.
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