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Old 10-11-2018, 09:52 AM
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Is it really true that the .40 S&W is dead? Is it really true that the .40 S&W is dead? Is it really true that the .40 S&W is dead? Is it really true that the .40 S&W is dead? Is it really true that the .40 S&W is dead?  
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I think our gun writer articles have a lot to do with it. When we read articles like " New 9mm ammo out does 40 cal." "Recoil in 40 cal. to much to handle" " 9mm just as good as 40cal." and it goes on and on. it just sways our thinking.
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Quote, "Right from the beginning the .40 seemed to me to be troublesome " Where do you come up with this troublesome stuff?
It's proven very effective in LE work and is popular here in the Midwest.
It's a good choice between the 9mm and 45acp for those officers that do not have large enough hands for the 45acp and don't want the 9mm.
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The .40 S&W is not dead in my family. I know many agencies have switched to 9mm ammo to cut costs but that doesn't make the 9mm a better personal protection round.

I recently watched this 10:27m YouTube video on 9mm vs .40 S&W vs 45 ACP shooting at a stack of paper plates...


You can skip to the 9:00m mark to view the test results. The presenter seems to think the number of plates is more important than the bullet expansion after digging through the stack to retrieve the fired bullets. I do not. I'll take the nice mushroomed .40 S&W round for my PD choice.
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Old 10-11-2018, 10:54 AM
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I predict that sometime in the future a large law enforcement agency will have a failure to stop while using the 9mm. It will be widely publicized. The 40 SW will be touted as the answer. The circle will then be complete.
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Old 10-11-2018, 10:56 AM
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All I can say is what I've observed, and here it is:

I see a ton of 40 ammo sitting on store shelves nearly everywhere I go. Back during the last ammo "scare", 40 was the only ammo readily available around where I live.

I see a ton of used 40 semi auto pistols filling up gun store shelves.

Does this mean anything? Who knows, it's just what I've seen.


Now...personally, I have zero interest in 40. I've shot them, I do like the round. There's zero reason for me to list my "reasons", I just personally don't have a need for one.
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Old 10-11-2018, 10:58 AM
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The 40 is dead if you're an FBI wannabe police department. They
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But for folks like me, I'll buy them all day.
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The nice thing with Glock .40's, is you can easily buy a replacement barrel in 9mm or .357 sig. And when .40 is "all the rage" again in 10 years, you can put your .40 barrel back in.

Cheapest way to keep up on the latest trends.
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Old 10-11-2018, 11:09 AM
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The nice thing with Glock .40's, is you can easily buy a replacement barrel in 9mm or .357 sig. And when .40 is "all the rage" again in 10 years, you can put your .40 barrel back in.

Cheapest way to keep up on the latest trends.
That's one really nice thing about conversion barrels in a 40 semi auto. I've always had some goofy crush on .357 SIG, but I won't drop the $$ to buy one. If I could have dropped in a conv barrel, I'd do that for sure.
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Old 10-11-2018, 11:31 AM
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I like the 40sw caliber. Sure,it's a little "snappier" in recoil than a 9mm, but it's knockdown power and car body penetration is worth it.
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Old 10-11-2018, 11:44 AM
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Wow! 59 threads proving and disproving a cartridge that's been effective for over 26 years!
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Old 10-11-2018, 11:57 AM
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[QUOTE=typetwelve;140195163]That's one really nice thing about conversion barrels in a 40 semi auto. I've always had some goofy crush on .357 SIG, but I won't drop the $$ to buy one. If I could have dropped in a conv barrel, I'd do that for sure.[/QUOTE]

Bar-Sto makes drop in conversions for just about every plastic-fantastic pistol out there. So does StormLake...
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Old 10-11-2018, 12:06 PM
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The 40 is a good round. It's a bit better than the 9mm. I've never had an issue with 40 recoil and I really don't even understand the claims about bad 40 recoil. I have a Glock 23 and like it just fine. 12 + 1 rounds of 40. How can you go wrong?
Recoil doesn't both me either as I'm into short barreled .44mags these days for Woods carry and .44Special for Street carry; and I practice quite a bit with both. Glock is responsible for lots of people hating the .40caliber. Try shooting a G27 with 165grain Gold Dots or 165grain anything. I carried a G27 (albeit with 180grain GD's) for 5 years and then an M&P40c for the next 5 until I got into CZ's "P-01" platform. The M&P40c soaks up the recoil so well every ammo I tried shoots like a 9mm. The M&P platform was designed for 40 caliber from the start... that's the difference.
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:06 PM
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No, 40S&W is not dead. Rumors of it's demise are greatly exaggerated. I really like 40 personally, but it is much less popular now than 10 years ago.
The pendulum of popularity is swinging back toward 9mm now because it is easier for most folks to shoot from compact & sub compact platforms. Then there is the FBI decision, which I think is for a variety of reasons and involves compromise. 40 was always less popular than 9, but more shooters will be dissuaded from ever even trying 40.

I always hear the comment that bullet design improvement has made 9mm much more viable for SD.
Yes, I agree.

However....
Hasn't that same improvement bolstered 40S&W's and even to some degree 45Auto's terminal effectiveness too?
I believe the answer is also, yes.
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:07 PM
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I've had a Glock 27 for years. I gave it to my wife as I didn't like it but she liked it for her purse. I don't even recall what it's recoil was like. I didn't like it as it was too much of a square chunk. For me it didn't conceal any better than the G23 and it didn't fit my hand at all. The G23 shoots great. I never tried the G30 but I doubt I'd have liked it or the G26 either.
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The .40 has a larger “thumping factor” than 9mm, but not by much. 9 has more beneys.
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Why yes, of course the .40 S&W is dead. Nobody owns any anymore. Nobody makes ammunition for it. Parents shun children who deny the death of .40 S&W, divorces are filed, FBI agents whom in private say .40 "wasn't so bad" get reassigned to TSA in Gander, Newfoundland.

But .40 S&W is not alone. 9 Parabellum is dead, those fancy avant-garde 5.7x28s and .40 S&W killed them a decade ago. People with nines are regularly held on 72 hour Psych evaluations due to thier caliber choice.

And .38 Special is dead. Those nines killed .38 in the civilian world...

Likewise .45 acp is dead, also a victim of the nine.

.357 dead, too loud, .44 Maggie likewise. .460, .41, .327, anything NAA, dead before it hit the market. .44 Colt, .44 Special, dead back when Grandpa was a youngin.

.32acp, 5.7x28 eurotrash.

What is left?

.22LR, preferably loaded with BP.
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Old 10-11-2018, 03:12 PM
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I don't own one but I see a fare about of brass scattered around the range where I shoot. Not as popular as 9mm but more popular than 45acp or the 45 acp guys (me included) pick up their brass.
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I have one a Sig P226 in 40 S&W and I won't be selling it anytime soon. I also like to reload 40 S&W ammo as brass is easy to find.
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Why yes, of course the .40 S&W is dead. Nobody owns any anymore. Nobody makes ammunition for it. Parents shun children who deny the death of .40 S&W, divorces are filed, FBI agents whom in private say .40 "wasn't so bad" get reassigned to TSA in Gander, Newfoundland.

But .40 S&W is not alone. 9 Parabellum is dead, those fancy avant-garde 5.7x28s and .40 S&W killed them a decade ago. People with nines are regularly held on 72 hour Psych evaluations due to thier caliber choice.

And .38 Special is dead. Those nines killed .38 in the civilian world...

Likewise .45 acp is dead, also a victim of the nine.

.357 dead, too loud, .44 Maggie likewise. .460, .41, .327, anything NAA, dead before it hit the market. .44 Colt, .44 Special, dead back when Grandpa was a youngin.

.32acp, 5.7x28 eurotrash.

What is left?

.22LR, preferably loaded with BP.
Ya, and don't forget the auto killed off the revolver in ...... what was it...... the 1980s with the introduction of the 15 shot "Wonder-nine"!!!!
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And all this time I thought the .40 S&W was a very good cartridge.

According to the internet gurus I need to sell off all of my .40's, the ammo, the brass, and the dies.

But then how do I make major in Limited 10 in USPSA?

Some sarcasm here..........I started this thread because so many interweb gurus decried the .40 as being dead, that no pawn shops will take them, nor will any gun shops.... I wanted to see what my fellow members had to say.
None of mine are for sale by the way...yes, I own 8-10 of them in various configurations, and I will still pick up all of the 9mm-.40-.38 spl,-.357 mag. -.357 sig - .45 acp small and large primer that I can find.

As mentioned before the pendulum will swing back.....look at the renewed interest in 10mm handguns......

Hope it provided some level of entertainment fellow forum members!!

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I think our gun writer articles have a lot to do with it. When we read articles like " New 9mm ammo out does 40 cal." "Recoil in 40 cal. to much to handle" " 9mm just as good as 40cal." and it goes on and on. it just sways our thinking.
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Gun writers have been preaching to us about calibers for years. Most of their claims about stopping, shocking, knockdown power etc. are based on anecdotes with little or no science to backup their claims. Many of us have had our beliefs formed by them and some of us cling to those beliefs with something akin to a religious fervor. I stopped believing some time ago.
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For me the .40 was made in ugly plastic formats, except maybe for the Browning HP, so I went with the 10mm Delta and when I wanted plastic the G20 kept me from adding another caliber to the pile. It is probably the only caliber I don’t have. But if I were to find a HP in .40 that might change.
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Troublesome??? There were some guns that were troublesome with the 40, but not the cartridge. Overrated?? 40 SW 135gr Corbon 546.26 FPE all From BBTI 4"
357 mag125gr Corbon 621.11 FPE
357 Sig 125gr Corbon 598.08 FPE
9mm +P 125gr Corbon 417.15 FPE
45 acp+P 185 gr Corbon 505.16 FPE

The 9mm with magic bullets are overrated, yes I have read the FBI protocol, what have the street results been? I do not believe I have seen better one shot stop record than 357 mag 125 gr. The 40 SW probably at its best with 165 gr,+P 9 & 45 do not match the 40 SW. So what is wrong with it ? As stated all #'s are BBTI 4" bbl. All should be effective and with premium rounds should be very similar in price. Be Safe,
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.38-40 is basically .40 S&W

.41 Mag. downloaded due to too much recoil was basically .40 S&W

10mm downloaded due to too much recoil was basically .40 S&W

.40 S&W developed & is a great compromise between capacity and bullet diameter

9mm now does it all (although .40 will always be a bigger diameter than 9mm).

I'm sure the .40 will be forgotten for a few years & comeback as the answer to all "lack of stopping" problems.

Isn't that what we're doing with the 6.5 creedmore? It's the new wonder kid on the block & .308 is falling out of favor. Although the 6mm and 7mm have been around since the 1890's.

Man seems to be constantly searching for the "Magic bullet" and is never satisfied.

I'm fine with .40 S&W.
I'm satisfied: The "Magic bullet" has been found! Location: Dallas Texas, on a stretcher, date of find: Nov. 22, 1963. Caliber IIRC: 6.5 Italian Carcano.
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Manufacturers of firearms and ammunition have to make a buck so do the guys running gun shops and pawn shops .The 38 was dead killed by the 9mm . The 9 was killed by the 40 .Now the 40 is dead? Me I'm waiting and holding on to my 32/20 and the hoard of ammo I have waiting for its resurgence .Am I sure ? Just hide and watch.
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Not to me! Just picked up a used s&w model 4046 cheep. It was an old Brinks armored car company piece. Love the feel of it. Steel baby, jot plastic!
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The verdict: In the Police Trade In Case at GT Distributors .40 S&W glocks 22 and 23 are cheap the 17 and 19 are almost as much as a new pistol.
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the 'foty was dead too me the day it hit the gun magazines and put on the market. Too me, it's fanfare was similar to that of the "as seen on TV" commercials for the remco super slicer juicer, heralded as the new wonder round that would do it all. I didn't believe the hype then, and time has proven (after Law Enforcement agencies across America have spent a ton of dough on the gimmick) that its not a marked improvement of the cartridges it was designed to replace. At the time published ballistics should have squashed it before it went mainstream in LE circles.

Less accurate than the .45 ACP or 9mm due to high pressures. It promised superior performance to the 9mm or .45 ACP, but doesn't deliver enough to justify changing from either of those cartridges.

Remember the history of it. It was a politically correct round developed for women and people with small hands. In the aftermath of the infamous Miami shootout, the FBI wanted a round that was devastating. I guess they forgot they already had that in the .357 Magnum. Anyway, the 10mm was born, and the FeeBee's found that the round was too much for women agents, and a lot of men. 10mm lite rounds were born, but that didn't solve the issue of the size of the pistol grip for small hands. The .40 S&W was the result.

Unfortunately, there are some in the Military that look to the .40 S&W as the answer to what they think they need in a side arm. Hopefully that will never gain traction.

Now, the .357 Sig, I thought that round would really take off, but I don't think it has.

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the 'foty was dead too me the day it hit the gun magazines and put on the market. Too me, it's fanfare was similar to that of the "as seen on TV" commercials for the remco super slicer juicer, heralded as the new wonder round that would do it all. I didn't believe the hype then, and time has proven (after Law Enforcement agencies across America have spent a ton of dough on the gimmick) that its not a marked improvement of the cartridges it was designed to replace. At the time published ballistics should have squashed it before it went mainstream in LE circles.

Less accurate than the .45 ACP or 9mm due to high pressures, a 10mm lite, designed for women and those with small hands. It promised superior performance to the 9mm or .45 ACP, but doesn't deliver enough to justify changing from either of those cartridges.

Unfortunately, there are some in the Military that look to the .40 S&W as the answer to what they think they need in a side arm. Hopefully that will never gain traction.

Now, the .357 Sig, I thought that round would really take off, but I don't think it has.
I am also one who was never smitten by the 40. The arguments about the 10mm being too much recoil for female officers/agents and the pistols chambered in 10mm having too large of a grip for female officers/agents is highly questionable. When the 40 was developed, it was placed into pistols designed as high capacity 9x19mm pistols. I have medium sized hands, when it comes to high cap sized pistols, the Hi Power and CZ-75 type pistols are quite comfortable for me, but the metal framed S&W's with arched back straps and the Beretta 92 series feel a bit oversized to me. I can't see how these would feel right for a female with smaller hands, so I find the argument of grip size to be highly questionable.

As for recoil, yes, the full power 10mm has recoil. It's ballistics easily match or slightly exceed those of the .357 Magnum and they both recoil about the same in my experience. Is this too much for a female? Depends upon the individual female and, just like the .357, ammo does not have to be full power to be effective, so I find the recoil argument to be highly questionable.

I don't have enough experience with 40 to say if it is any worse than the 9x19mm or 45 ACP in terms of accuracy, but it seems that the 9x19mm and 45 ACP are the more likely choices for precision pistol shooting.

When it comes to our military, I think they will stick with the 9x19mm so long as that is the standardized caliber for NATO. I know the MEU SOC and MARSOC units went back to the 45 ACP and in the 1911 platform quite a while ago, but even they are going back to the 9x19mm and this time it is in the Glock 19.
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Never owned one, never shot one, and like stated above I never saw the
need for a 40 S&W. I own a Colt 38 super and Springfield 45 acp. I am
not one to jump on the latest most decorated band wagon. Same holds
true for plastic guns, AR's, and in line muzzle loaders.
My usual carry is a S&W 44 special and for my purposes fits all my needs.
At times carry the two mdl 11's above and occasionally a Colt .357 trooper.
I realize the gun manufactures need new guns for sales increases, gun shops
and people who write about guns need new material, but, most of their efforts
are wasted on me.
If you haven't figured it out by now, I'm an old fuddy-duddy.

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