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Old 03-27-2019, 11:53 PM
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It took me 3 decades of owning a 1911 in 45acp to finally purchase a 9mm pistol. I just wasn’t interested in the 9mm round. I chose a cz85db. It’s ok but it’s no 45acp.
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:20 AM
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It took me 3 decades of owning a 1911 in 45acp to finally purchase a 9mm pistol. I just wasnít interested in the 9mm round. I chose a cz85db. Itís ok but itís no 45acp.
Good to hear that. I bought my first 45 about 35 years ago and still haven't bought a 9mm. I do have a colt 380 but that doesn't count. We're talking full size guns here.
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Old 03-28-2019, 02:29 AM
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The FBI, sadly, including their firearms training unit and ballistics lab, have just gotten so politicized and bureaucratized that I've little faith in what they've been doing for the past fifteen years or so. They shoot gel- a far cry from real flesh, whether dead or alive and pumping- so I can't see placing much value on test results there. Honestly, there needs be another iteration of the Thompson-LaGarde tests of 1904. There's no good reason why live tissue testing on bovines or swine- although GITMO detainees and death row inmates would be better- could not or should not be repeated today. That would be the only properly and objectively effective way to make a real determination as to true ballistic effectiveness of cartridge and projectile combinations in the modern era.

As far as I'm concerned, the physics that somehow magically transformed the 9x19 into something magical would also have carried over into all other calibers as well.

The variables involved in street shootings are too manifold and I think statistically invalid to draw the conclusion that "modern" projectiles have brought the 9x19 to parity in effectiveness with heavier and/or faster cartridges such as the big bore auto and revolver cartridges and the magnums.

There are also intangible considerations I think certain- especially larger, more bureaucratic- organizations tend to ignore. That is the level of confidence, elan and pride of its members. I am compelled to carry a SIG 229R in 9x19, soon to be a G-19M. I have, at this point in my life, fired both those pistols, to the tune of tens of thousands of rounds more than any of my personal revolvers or semi auto pistols of Browning and Czech lineage. Despite that, I can still hit subjectively more quickly, more easily and feel more confident with my .357, .44 or .45 revolvers or .45 self loaders. Splits matter more in the games. The speed of delivering follow up shots with the 9x19 I think rather inconsequential in field shooting. Despite my abundance of time with multiple platforms in 9x19 I still feel more confident and prefer to carry either medium or large frame magnum or big bore revolvers or single action big bore autos.
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Old 03-28-2019, 09:03 AM
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The .45 is easier to supress, this Camp Carbine sounds like shooting .22 CB caps. But unlike CB caps, 230 grain bullets kick up a lot of dirt !
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Honestly, there needs be another iteration of the Thompson-LaGarde tests of 1904. There's no good reason why live tissue testing on bovines or swine- although GITMO detainees and death row inmates would be better- could not or should not be repeated today. That would be the only properly and objectively effective way to make a real determination as to true ballistic effectiveness of cartridge and projectile combinations in the modern era.
There is another way.

Nowadays, "ballistic effectiveness" has come to mean different things to different people. Many equate ballistic effectiveness to the size and shape, expansion or lack of expansion, of a projectile. That distracts us from what we really want to know; effect on the target (incapacitation). That is what should be measured.

Although often brought up, Thompson LaGarde tests were not very scientific.

But, in these times, we now have an opportunity to get closer to what actually happens. This is now possible because of the widespread use of police body cameras. Collect the caliber, load, medical reports etc. of every police video and we should be able to get a good estimate of the performance of the service cartridges.This would certainly beat the thousands of questionable anecdotes that feed the never ending debate on this topic.

This could answer the question of what the .45ACP is good for.
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This is an excerpt from the original "FBI Notes" regarding the switch to 10mm (and later 40S&W). They rated the 45ACP as a close second to the 10mm...
The funny thing about this is that the 10mm that scored so well was an "FBI" load that is available today as the .40 S&W 180 grain, except that today's .40 round actually moves faster than the FBI 10mm round that was tested, and the technology of bullet design has substantially improved in the 30 years since.

Not to say I don't like the .45. I shoot .45s often and enjoy them. I would not have a problem carrying one defensively or for law enforcement.

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I don't think that Ballistics Testing in general will ever produce indisputable evidence of the overall effectiveness of a cartridge/firearm, especially when there are folks out there who nitpick every last detail and ignore all practical evidence in favor of anecdotal evidence.

Seriously, think Bear Threads. You'd imagine that with all the documented cases of self-defense against Bears, the subject would have been put to rest by now, yet everytime the subject comes up you end up with an out of control caliber debate in which nobody can ever agree on anything at all. Forget about the question of what is the most optimal firearm/cartridge to use against Bears, folks can't even agree on the bare minimum!

Honestly, even in the event in which some radical bill were to be passed that makes it legal to use death row inmates, serial killers, sex offenders, etc as live ballistics test medium, and a wide variety of testing were performed on said criminals using every variable imaginable including ones which are highly improbable, you'd still end up with folks arguing over the results, coming up with some crazy, hair-brained scenario in which every last round tested could potentially fail. ("What if the attacker is a Cyborg Vampire Vulcan Ninja wielding the Infinity Gauntlet, huh?!")

We have enough documented cases of shootings as it is to have formed a reliable baseline for ballistic effectiveness. Sooner or later people are just going to have to accept the reality that there is no ultimate one-size-fits-all cartridge that will instantly incapacitate an attacker.
Pardon me for repeating a tired statement, but shot placement will always be the most decisive factor in defensive shootings.
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Old 03-28-2019, 03:09 PM
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.45 ACP is good for anything most common carry calibers are good for.
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Contrary to the beliefs of many tactiphiles, the .45 auto will kill anything now that it would 100 years ago. Biplanes moving at less than 100 mph may be hard to find, though.
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Well Mr. Dirty Harry Callahan if you need to ask that question you probably don't own a 1911 or a revolver chambered in .45 ACP or maybe you just haven't shot one much . I suggest you shoot one and you will see for yourself. I love my 1911's and shoot them as often as I can.
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Well Mr. Dirty Harry Callahan if you need to ask that question you probably don't own a 1911 or a revolver chambered in .45 ACP or maybe you just haven't shot one much . I suggest you shoot one and you will see for yourself. I love my 1911's and shoot them as often as I can.
It was less about me asking a question for the sake of an informative answer pertaining to information/experience which I lack and more for the sake of being enlightened to the community's opinion on the subject.

That being said, I could most certainly use more firearms chambered in .45. Sadly, I've yet to shoot a 1911, but I plan to rectify that ASAP. I'd also really like to own either a Ruger Redhawk, S&W 625, or Governor since I love .45 Long Colt, so it would be great to have a revolver that can shoot both .45LC and .45 ACP as opposed to having to pack two separate revolvers to the range for each cartridge.
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They're fun to shoot with a reasonable amount of recoil. Also the ammo is fairly cheap.



And my teenage daughter likes 'em!

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I carried one model or other of 1911 (45 ACP of course) since I got off probation in April of 1974 until I retired and for something over 10 years after that. Arthritis in my hands (swollen thumb knuckle) made me give up the 1911 for the wider grip and softer recoil of 45 ACP Glocks (G30 and lately a G30S). Now with the arthritis getting even worse I am about to shift over to a 4" 325 PD for carry (no dual recoil spring to manipulate).


After all these years carrying 45 ACPs, loading and shooting 45 ACPs, even depending on them in several armed encounters while wearing a badge, you will have to forgive me if I listen to all the claims of the wonderfulness of the 9mm some what skeptically. Yea, I'm getting old and cranky and stuck in my ways. So be it! (smile)


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You probably think the .44 Magnum is useless too .
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Just for the record, I never said there was anything wrong with the 9mm. I just never really warmed up to it. I'm quite aware that it is a capable round that many people carry and use. I admit, it does work. Its just not really my thing.
In all honesty, when it comes to middle bores, I'd much rather carry a revolver in .38 or .357 than a 9mm pistol. Actually, I have a couple of 380 autos that a carry when I don't have a 45. But that's primarily due to size, convenience and conditions.
I do own about a half dozen 9mm pistols. But I never set out to buy one. Its always been a case of I bought a pistol I liked and it just happened to be in 9mm.
Now I do own a bunch of 1911s. Its probably my favorite handgun. And most of them are in .45acp because that's the way I like 'em. BUT I do not own a 1911 in 9mm. That's one line I just can't seem to get myself to cross. Just feels like blasphemy.
However, I do own several in the real 1911 middle bore caliber: 38 Super!
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Now I do own a bunch of 1911s. Its probably my favorite handgun. And most of them are in .45acp because that's the way I like 'em. BUT I do not own a 1911 in 9mm. That's one line I just can't seem to get myself to cross. Just feels like blasphemy.
However, I do own several in the real 1911 middle bore caliber: 38 Super!
I, too, have several 1911 pattern pistols, all but one are chambered in 45 ACP. The one that is not is in 10mm Auto. That is also the only 1911 I have that I can reliably hand cycle full magazines of empty shells through the action.
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i could add one more comment. years ago a guy i knew, deputy, had to fire a 230gr ball out of his 45 at a bad guy in a double wide trailer. it went through the guy, a wall, and hit his partner on the other side. They will penetrate.
This is why I'm a hollow point user for defensive purposes - in every caliber I own.
I have seen people speak of the unreliability of them feeding properly in 1911's, so I tested a number of different brands before settling on 230gr Winchester White Box.
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You probably think the .44 Magnum is useless too .
Thank you very much for taking the time to read the OP from beginning to end and responding directly to it.

You'd be surprised at how many folks these days are too lazy to actually read any further than the thread title, then post some sort of knee-jerk response that doesn't have anything to do with the thread itself, thus making a total fool of themselves in the process.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to congratulate you on your impeccable deductive reasoning that someone named Dirty Harry Callahan would hate .44 Magnum.
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Honestly, there needs be another iteration of the Thompson-LaGarde tests of 1904.
The Thompson-LaGarde tests were trash and should never be repeated.

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That is a new argument or at least one I've never heard before. The idea that elan and esprit de corps is only possible with inefficiently large cartridges and firearms is just silly.

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Nowadays, "ballistic effectiveness" has come to mean different things to different people. Many equate ballistic effectiveness to the size and shape, expansion or lack of expansion, of a projectile. That distracts us from what we really want to know; effect on the target (incapacitation). That is what should be measured.
What "should be measured" can't be measured.
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What "should be measured" can't be measured.
That's what she said...
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If someone thinks a 40 recoil is way to hot then they better not try switching to revolvers and shooting a 357 magnum. Oh don't even get started on pros or cons of the 357. That's another large popcorn theater.

I don't think it makes any difference what caliber or model a person carries as long as they can shoot it well. I would guess those that carry a 45 are quite accurate with it or they wouldn't carry it.
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Thank you very much for taking the time to read the OP from beginning to end and responding directly to it.

You'd be surprised at how many folks these days are too lazy to actually read any further than the thread title, then post some sort of knee-jerk response that doesn't have anything to do with the thread itself, thus making a total fool of themselves in the process.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to congratulate you on your impeccable deductive reasoning that someone named Dirty Harry Callahan would hate .44 Magnum.
It was meant as humor but you took it as serious
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What "should be measured" can't be measured.
Well, we may as well end the conversation; we're chasing our tails.
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I bought my daughter a 9mm Shield, but she really likes shooting .45 ACP too. Here she's shooting my 325 PD, it's so light it's got a bit of kick to it:
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Cant we all get along and treat all calibers equally. Sure, some calibers create more crime even though there are fewer of them. Sure some like to cut off people's heads and burn people alive. Some are good at math but cant drive. Wait, what are we talking about again?

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My apologies, but the joke seems to have sailed right over my head.

Would you care to explain it to me, because for a joke, it lacks any sort of obvious setup or punchline, ergo it just comes of as a flat comment.
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What I would really like to see discussed here today is the .45 ACP and nothing more. Not how it compares to other cartridges, just the .45 ACP cartridge on its own, something that nobody can ever seem to do anymore.

In this thread, let's discuss the merits of the .45 ACP cartridge, it's strengths, what it's good for, where it shines, and how it's still relevant today.
Getting back to your original question, here is some actual data. I hope this helps.

One of the range officers at my range is a retired homicide detective from a major city PD. One of his duties was to investigate every officer-involved shooting. He asked every officer how the bad guy reacted when he was hit. Across many such interviews, three rounds emerged as momentum disruptors. (That's my term. I don't want to get into the well-worn "stopping power" and "knock down power" debate.) These three rounds all caused the subjects to lurch backward when hit in the torso, at least temporarily disrupting whatever they were doing. One of these momentum disrupting rounds was the .45 acp.

(Just as an FYI, the other two were the .357 mag, and the .357 SIG. Notably, the 9mm round created little or no momentum disruption.)

So there it is. Although it is a small sample study, it is based on real-world observations of actual shootings made by trained professionals. No gel, no animal analogs, just reality. Take it for what it is worth, and do what you think is best for you. In my case, I've given up 9mm, and carry .45s. YMMV.
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Ask any recent war vet how the 9mm vs the performance of the 45acp.

In a close quarter conflict it takes too many 9mm rounds to kill the bad guy. The 100yo 45acp will always be the rooster in the hen house amongst the ladies(9mm/40cal ect).
Just goes to show you never can tell.
I've told this before so please bear with it. App 2006 I had a 15 y/o boy as a pt that had shot himself in the upper thigh with a 45 acp. (don't know the bullet type used) The bullet exited the rear calf of the same leg without ANY major damage??? STUFF HAPPENS. IT DID increase his street cred & the little "imp" was sneaking out with 2 of his groupies (on crutches under his own power) to smoke weed & whatever.
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My apologies, but the joke seems to have sailed right over my head.

Would you care to explain it to me, because for a joke, it lacks any sort of obvious setup or punchline, ergo it just comes of as a flat comment.
Your screen name and thinking the .44 magnum is obsolete was the joke.Fear not if I had issues with your thread I am never one to be short on words.
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I always knew the 1911 was an inspired design, just did not know the inspiration came from that high up on the chain.
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In the August 2011 issue of American Handgunner, Mike Venturino rated the 45 ACP as the "best revolver cartridge" due to it's combination of range of useful bullet weights and efficient powder combustion.
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For being good for nothing it still is showing an awful lot of life after being around for 108 years ..... doesn't seem to be loosing any luster to the 40 S&W or 10 mm .
The 45 acp just keeps on keeping on , doing it's thing .
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I have one .45 cal handgun, itís a 1933 Colt 1911. I always look forward to shooting it.
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What I would really like to see discussed here today is the .45 ACP and nothing more. Not how it compares to other cartridges, just the .45 ACP cartridge on its own, something that nobody can ever seem to do anymore.

In this thread, let's discuss the merits of the .45 ACP cartridge, it's strengths, what it's good for, where it shines, and how it's still relevant today.

This is NOT a 9mm bashing thread, so please refrain from posting inflammatory comments on 9mm Luger, (or any other cartridges for that matter) let's have a nice, civil discussion for once without derailing into an insipid Caliber War.
In keeping with your opening request I'd like to advance my own positives about the 45 auto cartridge.

Being relatively low pressure, but large bore with a huge bullet, even in FMJ profile, the round is powerful enough. It's worth nothing that the specification for the 45 auto cartridge - 230 grain "ball" at 840 fps is almost spot on to that of the Schofield cartridge almost a half century earlier - 230 grain "ball" (lead) at around 800 fps. Even better, is that while the original spec 45 Colt loads were 255 grain slugs over 40 grains of FFFg Black in a balloon head case, the Army soon thereafter "de-rated" it to a 230 grain "ball" (lead) over just 28 grains of FFFg black! Bear in mind these loads reflect the thinking and experience of people who saw them used in action. Back then, a SAA could find itself used in a primary role due to it's ability to fire six shots before reloading, compared to the single-shot Trapdoor that lasted almost into the 20th Century.

The bottom line of this is, a 45 auto is a potent cartridge WITHOUT any modern "bullet magic." Something to think about. Those big, blunt FMJ bullets displace a lot of tissue, and though the military uses FMJ bullets, there is no reason one cannot just as easily use cast lead slugs which feed just fine, and again, in the 45 auto, don't even have to be pushed to get power! So basically, you can think of a 1911 as an 8-shot version of the venerable 45 Colt! Of course today we have higher capacity, lighter pistols chambered in the 45 Auto - Glock 21 with 14 rounds standard comes to mind.

In head-to-head comparisons, the 45 auto gives a very good showing compared to the 10mm - as they say in drag racing, "there ain't no substitute for cubic inches!"

In the modern world, with modern bullets such as the Hornady XTP, the 45 auto produces some of the best expansion possible in gelatin tests! Even so, if all you had was "ball" ammo, few would feel under-armed. With the smaller bores, this is not the case.

Plus, the 45 is an excellent foundation cartridge for adding more power - 45 Super, and even the 460 Rowland with appropriate gun mods or setup. Consider the tremendous difference in ballistic power when the 45 auto is loaded to chamber pressures equal with the 9mm! Then consider how drastic would be the loss of power of the 9mm if loaded down to 45 auto pressures! Oh wait, that's the 38 Special!

Way back during the Federal magazine ban, 9mm handguns became a lot less popular for one reason - and we all remember the phrase: "If I can only have 10 shots I want 10 BIG shots!" For many people, if they can only carry 10 shots in a 9mm, versus just 8 in a 1911, they'll take the 1911. That's the "comfort" of the bigger bore.

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Many accounts by GIs of .45 picking a man up off his feet and knocking them down. Too many one hit stops to ignore. Too many failures of 9mm by our servicemen to ignore.

BLUF, the .45 ACP is the best manstopper yet and the M1911A1 the greatest warsman's pistol in human history. Nothing since has equalled the effectiveness of that combo. PERIOD.
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Here's the dirty secret on the .45 ACP: it's a solution in search of a problem. Has been since before 1911.

The story is told about the Moros in the Philippines. How the .38 revolvers wouldn't stop the determined Moros. So they came up with the .45 ACP (original Browning spec was 200 grains at 950 fps; Army changed it to 230 grains at 850). And that solved the problem, no?

No. They never tell the sequel to the story: .45 didn't stop those Moros any better than .38 did. A lot of Moros weren't stopped by .30-40 Krag hits. ...
As Paul Harvey would say, "... and now for the rest of the story."

Yes, many types of US issued ammo proved ineffective against the Moros, but ...

From what I remember from my history classes:
1) the Moros were more indigenous Indians common to the Philippines, not a super race.
2) before the Moros attacked an enemy, they tied a damp leather-like constriction band at each joint to minimize blood loss, and keep them in the fight.
3) before engaging in any type of fight with an enemy, they indulged in some form of ceremonial drug use that "numbed their body" so they never felt or acknowledged wounds, even fatal hits and their bodies maintained momentum to continue the attack.

Today, we can compare our resident drug addicts to the Moros. How effective are the garden variety self defense rounds in the US against drug crazed attackers? If the garden variety druggie was as smart as a Moro, would your self defense cartridge of choice be as effective as FBI studies suggest, or any of us want to believe.

Personally, I will opt for either a 45 or 357 Magnum aimed center of mass against a drug crazed attacker any day, and throw in a pelvis shot for good measure!
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Many accounts by GIs of .45 picking a man up off his feet and knocking them down.
I spent a few years in the military, and I can certainly believe that some folks, particularly those who had never seen anyone shot, would tell such stories. It is a little harder to fathom that anyone who had gone to high school would believe such tales, yet I'm sure that that is true, also.

Still doesn't change the facts. Never happened.
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Today, we can compare our resident drug addicts to the Moros. How effective are the garden variety self defense rounds in the US against drug crazed attackers? If the garden variety druggie was as smart as a Moro, would your self defense cartridge of choice be as effective as FBI studies suggest, or any of us want to believe.
Starting in the 60's, Moro-like adversaries reappeared in the U.S. in the form of crazed drug addicts and complaints about a .38 started up again; this time the.38 Special. Nothing disables these people unless a very important structure is penetrated by whatever, service caliber, handgun bullet. I doubt that a .45 caliber bullet would have any measurable increase in effect on individuals who are, in effect, anesthetized. Because of bad timing, the .38 caliber bullet was given a bad reputation it never deserved.
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It's hard to imagine that someone would actually think that the thread title represented what the thread was about.

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I don't really care what any gun writer ever writes when it comes to caliber selection or what's "hot".

My first self defense pistols were 9mm. When 40 S&W became the new thing I moved to that caliber. Somewhere afterwards I bought my first .45 acp. Since that day, I've never been without one or more. I do still have 9mm in the rotation when I need something really small in my pocket that can still get the job done. But other than that it will always be a .45

I don't care what is ever written. All it takes is a few range sessions and shooting things to see the difference between a 9mm, .40 S&W and a .45 If I have to shoot someone (and thank God I never have) - I want a massive wound channel created by a nearly 1/2" 230gr slug that expands larger than any 9mm can ever dream of.

I just bought my latest .45 this past weekend. A FNX 45 Tactical...16 rounds of flying ashtrays to throw at whatever needs killing...I have got to get out to the range with this thing.

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