I saw that also in my Lee manual, but that is a 5 1/2" barrel per VV's website. My P229 does 1430 with a 3.9" bbl. I am betting if I shot it out of a 5 1/2" barrel, it would beat that and again with much less pressure.

I have been wanting to get a .357 sig bbl for my M&P 5" just to see what it will do. Haven't pulled the trigger yet. Currently in a 4" SD40, I am getting like 1070 with a 180 XTP using Longshot powder. That same load in the 5" M&P is getting 1170 fps. 100 FPS for 1" of barrel. Seems on the short end of barrel lengths, you get more gain per inch than when the barrels start getting longer with certain powders.

Rosewood

1475 out of a 6" Fusion.

1430 from a 5" Colt government model.

1395 from a 4.25" Colt commander.

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It is true that Carbide Dies do NOT REQUIRE lube

That does not mean that they MUST be used WITHOUT lube

I hand load almost 2 dozen different cartridges. There are several straight wall cartridges that even with carbide dies, a quick blast of Hornady One Shot into the loose brass and then a bit of mixing it up with my hand makes a NOTICEABLE difference in the force necessary to size the cartridge. I would say I do this every 400 - 500 rounds

My cleaned brass is all stored in pretzel/gum/candy jars. So I spray One Lube for perhaps a second at most into the opening of the jar and I am ready to load

Hornady One Shot has been my go-to lube since it was introduced. I have not used the old fashioned messy and sticky lube that gets rolled on to the case in well over a decade

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I don't have any problem with 9MM resizing, never gonna lube them. AS for rifle cases, I don't load enough of them to worry about cleaning the lube off of. I do have Lee collet dies to neck size .270 and .243, limited success here like most Lee stuff. Had to go back to lubing the rifle cases and using conventional dies.
Sizing the 9MM should not be a problem, for many years I loaded 9MM on an old RCBS Jr press(it does not have compound linkage), no problem. I've no idea why you're having to lube them. I have 2 sets of RCBS dies for 9MM, both work well.

"Guess you will never load bottle necked rifle cartridges then?"
Once fired in my rifle and just neck size....

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Yes you can. However, it is safer to use 9x23 Winchester or Starline Supercomp cases, which are built to take the higher pressure. I use AA #5 propellant. They will work in a .38 Super chamber.

I'd bet anything the reason straight-walled wins over bottleneck is manufacturing costs. A gun that shoots cheaper, straight-walled cases is going to do better on the market than one that requires more expensive bottleneck cases.

This brings up another point. My first reaction to the above post was, "That would be awesome. I have a 45". Then I thought, "Why?". Do we really need the extra performance and cost? The vast majority of my bullets go through a sheet of paper then into a backstop. My 357 and 44 calibers kill deer handily. I believe they would work fine on two-legged varmints. Why should I pay more for a gun and loads?

Zastava still makes a couple, (the M57 and M88) albeit they're both just updated versions of older designs.

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Depends on the quantity. If I am loading a fairly small number at a time, say 100 or fewer, I will usually lube cases even though using carbide dies. Smoother and easier resizing and it doesn't take long. Just more messy.

I usually load a limited number of rounds a day or so before I go out shooting, instead of loading a large quantity far in advance.

I don't shoot large quantities of .400 Cor-Bon, I just like the idea of being able to shoot numerous calibers in the same gun, and I also like odd cartridge calibers. I have a M1911 (a real Colt M1911) set up to shoot 9mm, .38 Super, .45ACP, .400 Cor-Bon, and .22 LR. I haven't fired many rounds of .400 CB recently, but did shoot up two boxes yesterday. In my gun, the .400 CB groups better than .45 and shoots exactly to the fixed sights at 15 yards. I don't load .400 very heavily and only with lead bullets. The .400 CB does not provide any advantage in magazine capacity vs. the .45 ACP, and that probably makes it less attractive to many potential users.

Part of the attraction of the .400 CB to me is that it requires only a barrel change and a set of dies. I think I paid maybe $50 for a barrel around 10 years ago, off eBay.

The firearms industry is a fickle thing. Most people stick with tried and true cartridges that pass the “Walmart test” for ammo. That is, can you go into a Walmart and get ammo. Those that get into those cartridges love them. Including me. Love the .357 Sig and 5.7. Also, they are a little more of a pain to reload. Not so much to bother most reloaders IMHO. The few agencies I know of that have .357 Sig firearms still, love them. Most people that come in as first time firearms buyers want cheap and readily available ammo. Can’t blame them as they’re usually focused on practicing.


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Regarding the 357 Sig, nobody seems to be able to figure out if they headspace on the shoulder or the mouth of the cartridge.

How can I reload it if I can't get an answer?

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It head spaces on the shoulder

After your first firing of the casing, adjust your dies so that they just touch the shoulder, do not set the shoulder back and you will be fine

I have runs tens of thousands of hand loaded rounds of 357SIG through various firearms for 25+ years now

Here are 30 hand loaded rounds of 357SIG put down range in just 2 seconds

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Good advice for most CF bottleneck rifle cartridges also. Once fired, the cases will fit your chamber perfectly with zero headspace, and all you really need to do is neck size. That idea may not work so well if you have more than one gun in the same caliber.

Nor semi-automatics.

I neck size only for bolt guns. Not semis.

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Semi automatics headspace on the shoulder too.

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Not neck sizing only for semi autos is standard reloading advise.

Reloading for Semi-Autos and Service Rifles – Sierra Bullets

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[QUOTE=pistolpete10;140789867 I've no idea why you're having to lube them. I have 2 sets of RCBS dies for 9MM, both work well.[/QUOTE]

I don't have to lube them, it just makes sizing much easier. The 9mm clearly takes more force to resize than straight walled pistol cases, I.E. 40 S&W, 10mm, 380acp, 38/357 etc. Any time more force is required, it makes me nervous, harder to tell if something is wrong in the loading process.

Rosewood

My comment is only addressing where bottle neck semi auto pistol cartridges headspace (that being the shoulder) not on the virtues of neck sizing only.

I always full resize every cartridge I reload.


Edit. I reread my other post And yes, it's sort of misleading.

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