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I just bought some civil defense fragmented hollow points in 357 magnum.

These are lead free. They are very light weight.
Compared to some magtech 357 magnums. The difference is night and day.
I have some Winchester 357 magnum hollow points. So I have them lined up for comparison.

The civil defense 357 magnums fit in my moon clips just fine. Same with my HKS speed loaders.

I haven't fired any of the civil defense yet.
But I have carried my revolvers loaded with them. The lead free bullets make the guns feel as they are unloaded.

Considering how much a box of 20 cost me. I'm not in a hurry to fire them just yet.

I have shot multiple brands of 357 magnums.
The magtech kicks like a mule. The Winchester feels not to much different to expensive 38 special plus. Hornady flextip is in a big hurry.
But these are lead free. So I don't know what the recoil will be like. I will buy more and spend a day at the range when my covid 19 test results come in.
I just hope I'm not positive.

Civil defense makes these in multiple different calibers. 357 magnum, 38 and 9mm. Oh and 223.
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Hard to imagine why you’d carry novel ammo for sd without having fired any of the ammo.
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Just out of curiosity, is there a particular reason you chose lead-free rounds? FYI, there are some ammo makers who make more conventional HP rounds that are solid copper. Lightweight, but still give good penetration. Barnes comes to mind.

Personally, I prefer self defense rounds that have had a good track record in actual shootings, though I wouldn't reject gel results if they were comparable to proven rounds.

I'm also not a fan of prefragmented rounds. I believe a large part of effectiveness comes from adequate penetration (after shot placement, of course), so I prefer rounds that stay in one piece through the wound channel.

But this is just my opinion and preference. If the rounds you chose meet some need, then that'll do. Shot placement is still the most important variable.

Though I would suggest getting at least a couple of boxes and run one box through the gun before carrying it, not only to make sure they work in your gun but also to check for POA/POI, especially with very lightweight bullets. But I can understand if that might not be financially feasible. Sometime we gotta do what we gotta do, even if it might not be the optimum choice.
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I haven't fired these yet because it's expensive and I just got tested for covid 19 yesterday.
It was just to carry it for a while just to feel the difference in weight. I still carry the gun regular with Winchester 357 magnum.

These are advertised to fragment after six inches of penetration.
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You didn't list the bullet specs so this is why they are "light" they are 50 grain projectiles.


Yet another magic bullet.Another case of using light bullets to develop high velocity and then claim the KE is is so high it will be one shot stoppers.




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You didn't list the bullet specs so this is why they are "light" they are 50 grain projectiles.


Yet another magic bullet.Another case of using light bullets to develop high velocity and then claim the KE is is so high it will be one shot stoppers.




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Sorry about not putting the specs in the original post.
Yeah, the bullets are only 50 grains.
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Just out of curiosity, is there a particular reason you chose lead-free rounds? FYI, there are some ammo makers who make more conventional HP rounds that are solid copper. Lightweight, but still give good penetration. Barnes comes to mind.
I carry the Barnes in my 45 Long Colt Titanium snubby

The hollow point cavity is simply HUGE in the total copper style projectiles. However these still tip the scales at 170 grains





Shooting them is not too bad.

Ghost Magnum you MUST Test Fire what you are carrying. There might be enough bullet pull with a load like that to tie up the revolver. You also need to know what to expect before you are forced to put the ammunition into use. You also need to know if the almmunition is hitting to Point of Aim or not

Your life is worth $35+ of ammunition


I fire 9 rounds for testing bullet pull. If after the first 4 shots the projectile is still in place, I will replace the spent casings with fresh ammunition and repeat firing the first four rounds. This puts the last round through eight firings to check for bullet pull
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I carry the Barnes in my 45 Long Colt Titanium snubby

The hollow point cavity is simply HUGE in the total copper style projectiles. However these still tip the scales at 170 grains





Shooting them is not too bad.

Ghost Magnum you MUST Test Fire what you are carrying. There might be enough bullet pull with a load like that to tie up the revolver. You also need to know what to expect before you are forced to put the ammunition into use. You also need to know if the almmunition is hitting to Point of Aim or not

Your life is worth $35+ of ammunition


I fire 9 rounds for testing bullet pull. If after the first 4 shots the projectile is still in place, I will replace the spent casings with fresh ammunition and repeat firing the first four rounds. This puts the last round through eight firings to check for bullet pull
Yeah, forgive my poor writing. I still carry it with Winchester hollow points. I just carried it around once with the civil defense.
I'm going to get another box later for practice. Right now I can't afford to.
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