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Old 08-11-2020, 12:14 AM
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Disclaimer: this was not my original idea.

The panic buying of the most popular self defense ammo, for example 5.56 NATO and 9 mm, has the ammo manufacturers running full tilt to meet demand. This means that supply will eventually catch up with demand and prices will come down.

What this also means is that it will be awhile before manufacturers retool to make lower volume items like .257 Roberts and .300 Savage. So get your “other” ammo while you still can. Once the pipeline for these lower volume items runs dry it will be a long time before the supply is replenished.
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During the last ammo crisis, I bought ammo for guns I dont have, just to ensure my friends and family would be ok. This time, I am reloading like wildfire, laying in a supply of .357 and .45 that will last many years, even if I increase my shooting.
I still have a bit of ammo for guns I havent got. .250 Savage, 20 gauge, 17hmr, etc. but my guess is that those guns will arrive in my life, or I will be able to help a friend in need.
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Yeah, I tell people this often. I noted the same thing over the last few panics. With factories running full steam making the common rounds, they neglect the more odd stuff and it dries up for a long time. Stuff like 45 GAP or 44 special will disappear for some time.
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Personally, I can't imagine how anyone would own one of those "other" calibers and not reload for it. The acquisition of a 22 Hornet way back around 1978 (when they were "entering into the twilight years of obsolescence", according to the then current Speer manual) is what got me started reloading, and I've been pumping away ever since.

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Personally, I can't imagine how anyone would own one of those "other" calibers and not reload for it. The acquisition of a 22 Hornet way back around 1978 (when they were "entering into the twilight years of obsolescence", according to the then current Speer manual) is what got me started reloading, and I've been pumping away ever since.
100%. I don't shoot factory 44 special or magnum anymore, I also don't shoot factory 38 special. Reloading them is just too much of a cost savings.

44 special is massive, factory ammo is silly expensive vs reloading.
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Knowing it will probably be quite a while before the common calibers come back on shelves, I started buying some of my other calibers-308, 20 Ga. and 22 LR. Okay, the 22 I don't need, but CCI Mini Mags are available, so I may as well pick some up while I can. 308 & 20 Ga. I don't shoot that much, but again, while it's available I might as well pick some up. Prices on these haven't been affected yet, and right now that's a good thing!
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Good advice for people if they can find ammo they might use. I stocked up on 32 S&W and 38 S&W long back in March because it seemed logical that prices would be going up as factories shut down. I don’t have much brass for those calibers and my stock of factory ammo was like 2 boxes of .32. Targetsports.com still has some .32 ammo but imagine it’s only a matter of time before that’s gone.

I’m good to go with the other 10+ calibers I otherwise shoot.
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This means that supply will eventually catch up with demand and prices will come down.
You are being overly optimistic. Depending on which party wins the election, the current shortage of guns and ammo will get a lot worse before it gets better. It will take a long time for a new power structure in Congress to enact new laws and in the meantime the current shortage will look like a glut in comparison. You'd better stock up NOW on the guns and ammo you will actually NEED for years to come - perhaps for the rest of your life!

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I have been blessed to find the 'odd-ball' stuff I shoot (.280 Rem. .35 Whelen, .38 Super, 16 gauge) at greatly reduced prices. I do reload for all but the 16 and have fired cases, virgin brass, powder primer and bullets in relative abundance. Until the day I re-retire I don't anticipate needing any more, but when I find NOS factory rifle ammo for $5/box I become a hoarder.
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I believe primer supply is the issue. The number of manufacturers is limited and they can make more money shipping large orders to the ammunition manufacturers. I also fear that gun control advocates will find a perverse way to limit primer supply through taxation, regulation or liability litigation. Without primers we're back to flintlocks.

I am surprised that some enterprising company has not figured out a way to make and market small scale primer manufacturing gear suitable for the home user. The metal forming aspect seems like child's play, simple die cutting and forming of light gage metal. Home brewing priming compound would take some doing, but the scale is still very small.
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^^^Making primers? What could possibly go wrong???

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Old 08-11-2020, 01:21 PM
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seems that 44 mag is one of the last to run out during the "rush"

also a great time to own a 41 mag and a 38 super!
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I can make ammunition for everything I shoot. Except .22.
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Old 08-11-2020, 03:33 PM
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^^^Making primers? What could possibly go wrong???
Much could go wrong, and that's the catch. Fulminate of mercury, ground glass, and whatever else is in primer compound is nasty stuff. My understanding of how it's made is that it is a wet process that allows mixing, molding and pouring into the final shape, then drying in place, but like most firearms related industrial processes, the actual procedure is proprietary. It is obviously dangerous, but solving the safety issue would unlock a big market, especially if conventional primers disappear.
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I believe primer supply is the issue. The number of manufacturers is limited and they can make more money shipping large orders to the ammunition manufacturers. I also fear that gun control advocates will find a perverse way to limit primer supply through taxation, regulation or liability litigation. Without primers we're back to flintlocks.

I am surprised that some enterprising company has not figured out a way to make and market small scale primer manufacturing gear suitable for the home user. The metal forming aspect seems like child's play, simple die cutting and forming of light gage metal. Home brewing priming compound would take some doing, but the scale is still very small.
Home brewing priming compound will just create a large hole in the ground where your house used to be. Have worked in the ammunition industry there are a number of horror stories about priming compound and the difficulties of working with the mix and getting the right amount into a primer cup.
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Old 08-11-2020, 03:50 PM
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I'm well stocked on 7.62x45 in case I have to take a Czech vz52 in trade again. Still got a box of pin fire that I had with the Lefaucheux I sold a few yrs. back. Wish I had a case of 9mm Largo to go with a Campo-Giro if one comes my way.
I try to have a little bit of everything when my son and grandson set up at the gun shows. I saw an ad for 9mm pinfire for $75 a round. I keep hopeing.
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I am surprised that some enterprising company has not figured out a way to make and market small scale primer manufacturing gear suitable for the home user. The metal forming aspect seems like child's play, simple die cutting and forming of light gage metal. Home brewing priming compound would take some doing, but the scale is still very small.
I realize that this may sound like a step backwards, but as long as soda still comes in aluminum cans and I can still get a supply of roll caps, I can still put together percussion caps for my 1861 Navy! Perhaps I should look into an 1860 Army?
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I realize that this may sound like a step backwards, but as long as soda still comes in aluminum cans and I can still get a supply of roll caps, I can still put together percussion caps for my 1861 Navy! Perhaps I should look into an 1860 Army?
Or go really high tech and get an 1858 Remington! Nothing like that solid top strap to add to your safety margin.

As for stocking up on hard to find ammo, I don’t own any firearm very long without acquiring the wherewithal to load for it. I’ve never reloaded a single round for my 5.56 NATO, 9mm, or 300 Blackout, but am prepared if I need to. A lot of the stuff I like to shoot regularly I reload for economy or because that particular ammo is already hard to find.

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I believe primer supply is the issue. The number of manufacturers is limited and they can make more money shipping large orders to the ammunition manufacturers. I also fear that gun control advocates will find a perverse way to limit primer supply through taxation, regulation or liability litigation. Without primers we're back to flintlocks.

I am surprised that some enterprising company has not figured out a way to make and market small scale primer manufacturing gear suitable for the home user. The metal forming aspect seems like child's play, simple die cutting and forming of light gage metal. Home brewing priming compound would take some doing, but the scale is still very small.
I snagged 5000 WW small pistol primers just this week, normal price. They are out there if you look.
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During the last ammo crisis, I bought ammo for guns I don't have, just to ensure my friends and family would be ok. This time, I am reloading like wildfire, laying in a supply of .357 and .45 that will last many years, even if I increase my shooting.
I'm still kicking myself in the pants (figuratively speaking) for having been so picky and selective during the Great Walmart Evil Ammo Sell-Off sale. There were some outstanding... 1/2 Walmart's regular price... deals on ammo that just wasn't quite my normal thang. It wasn't so much oddball calibers as it was different bullet weights & bullet types from my usual preferences.

Those prices can never be duplicated ever again. At a minimum, I could have used that ammo to trade for my preferred stuff.
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Good advice. I used to own an Anschutz 1502 in Hornady M2, a 22 LR necked down to .177. Nobody but me liked that caliber so it took a while before it all sold out during the 22 LR drought but nobody saw any reason to make more when they could sell all the 22 LR they could make.

I started reloading in the late 80s but about 15 or 20 years ago it went from an enjoyable part of shooting to a tedious chore for me. I found the guns I had to reload for sat in the safe because I did not want to load ammo for them. Factory was expensive and never seemed to have the bullet style and weight I wanted. The guns I could buy relatively inexpensive factory or surplus ammo in bulk for went to the range.

My solution was to sell the guns I owned in odd calibers. I only had a few of them. The closest I own to an odd caliber now is my M69 in 44 magnum. The factory 44 special and moderately loaded magnums I shoot through it are about $.55/round but I don't shoot a lot of it. The only rifles I own now are in 22LR, .223 and 308.

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Much could go wrong, and that's the catch. Fulminate of mercury, ground glass, and whatever else is in primer compound is nasty stuff. My understanding of how it's made is that it is a wet process that allows mixing, molding and pouring into the final shape, then drying in place, but like most firearms related industrial processes, the actual procedure is proprietary. It is obviously dangerous, but solving the safety issue would unlock a big market, especially if conventional primers disappear.
Once upon a time.............There was a kit to reactivate primers with percussion caps from kids cap pistols......Just sayin......
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If you have components I wouldn’t be in a big hurry to load them up. Why have hundreds of handloads sitting around? Best to hold onto your components until you see what you need. If things go south people are not going to be shooting up hundreds of rounds playing games and target shooting. Might be a good idea to invest in some bullet molds and sizing outfit.
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I am shooting ammo I loaded 8 years ago. I have an ample supply of components for quite a few more years if I didn't have a well stocked ammo supply.

BTW: My cousin in TX tells me I am not stocked up well enough.
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I still see plenty of 17.
Don’t have one, but -
Did see a LH Savage with Laminated Stock!
But I already got a number of 22LRs, large store of ammo,
Buy more 22 ammo every time I see some.
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If you have components I wouldn’t be in a big hurry to load them up. Why have hundreds of handloads sitting around? Best to hold onto your components until you see what you need. If things go south people are not going to be shooting up hundreds of rounds playing games and target shooting. Might be a good idea to invest in some bullet molds and sizing outfit.
Bullets are still available but with a 4 week backlog. I don't sweat the bullet shortage nearly as much as the primer/powder shortage. There are many small bullet manufactures and some large ones also, like Speer and Hornady. The number of powder and primer manufactures you can count on one hand. They get crunched in these panics supplying powder and primers to ammo companies. The reason is hardly anyone reloads and when the well runs dry it takes them months if not years to catch up. I placed an order for bullets after the craziness started and I had them in 3 weeks. That isn't a big inconvenience for me because I order months before I get low.
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I'm starting to wonder...is there some Chinese component or chemical that goes into the manufacturing of primers?
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I went into my local Bass Pro today looking for 30-06 ammo. They have been out of handgun ammo and most long guns for months now but as of a few weeks ago there was plenty of hunting ammo on the shelves. Today the 06 selection was down to 3 choices, 17 boxes total. Most every other caliber was also either gone or almost gone with the exception of 300 Win and 308...some of the WSM calibers. At this rate we'll be lucky to get the same weight hunting ammo we want, let alone a specific brand and bullet type...
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Thanks for the reminder but already have all the 257 Roberts, 25 Auto, 41 Special, 45 Auto Rim, 32 auto, 30-40 Krag and 6.5 Swedish I need till the rest of my entire life...
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But I'm out of 8x58 Rimmed Danish Krag!!
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Worst case you buy a like new in box Schwarzlose on the web and use up you 8x50 Mannlicher instead.
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I will paraphrase a long gone old friend of mine:
“Three things you should never turn down, a pack of Camel cigarettes, a pound of Maxwell House coffee, and ammo at a reduced price”
Several years ago I bought up several different calibers when a business closed, and you can’t imagine the pleasure using a box of premium ammo I payed $8 for which now cost $30!
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Went to Walmart today for groceries, went past the ammo area and it's getting pretty bare except for shotshells. Picked up the last 2 boxes of Federal 308 on the shelf. No 22's now. Will have to check some of the other locations close to me.
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