Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > >

Ammo All Ammo Discussions Go Here


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-17-2020, 01:17 PM
JohnHL JohnHL is offline
SWCA Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: High Ridge, Mo.
Posts: 2,287
Likes: 5,646
Liked 3,003 Times in 1,253 Posts
Default With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?

For me, a conundrum.

John
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #2  
Old 08-17-2020, 01:18 PM
armorer951's Avatar
armorer951 armorer951 is online now
SWCA Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Evansville, Indiana USA
Posts: 4,897
Likes: 274
Liked 7,057 Times in 2,433 Posts
Default

No problem....they steal it. Thefts, and burglaries of homes and businesses. Also, there is a huge black market of stolen property, including firearms and ammunition.
__________________
Ret LE, FA Instr, S&W Armorer

Last edited by armorer951; 08-17-2020 at 01:21 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-17-2020, 01:25 PM
bigggbbruce's Avatar
bigggbbruce bigggbbruce is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Where this month?
Posts: 3,539
Likes: 261
Liked 4,085 Times in 1,668 Posts
Default

Plenty of ammo around, just not at most local stores.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #4  
Old 08-17-2020, 01:40 PM
max503's Avatar
max503 max503 is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Illinois near STL
Posts: 1,188
Likes: 400
Liked 1,488 Times in 626 Posts
Default

Many of my co-workers have roots in North St. Louis. I'm not making this up. One guy from over there said, "Those country boys from across the river in Illinois know how to shoot. They aim. The brothers in the city just point and empty their guns." I don't think the gangsters target practice. If you think about it, that is a saving grace. They are not afraid to use their guns on people. Can you imagine the damage they could do if they had sighted-in, bolt-action 223's with decent scopes?
So, to answer your question, a box of 9mm to them is like a 5 pack of deer slugs to us. We don't waste them. We use them. For them, one box of 9mm represents a whole lot of mayhem. They don't need a lot of bullets. One box goes a long way.
I make it a point to stay out of any gun-related discussions at work.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-17-2020, 01:48 PM
Dave Lively Dave Lively is online now
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 587
Likes: 238
Liked 560 Times in 277 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnHL View Post
For me, a conundrum.

John
I am guessing most criminals just carry a gun with the ammo that was in it when they stole it. Or bought it from their buddy that stole it.
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Like Post:
  #6  
Old 08-17-2020, 01:57 PM
505Gibbs's Avatar
505Gibbs 505Gibbs is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Suburban Deeeetroit
Posts: 1,488
Likes: 3
Liked 578 Times in 308 Posts
Default

If you think about various posts in this forum from 3-5 years ago there were many bragging about how much ammo they blew up on their last trip to the range.
Not so now but many of us have a fairly large stash but we just don't go & blow it as in years gone by. We've learned from the past but unfortunately sometimes its stolen as noted.
The way they shoot up Chicago & Detroit and last weekend Cincinnati, you'd swear they brew their own.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #7  
Old 08-17-2020, 02:12 PM
rockquarry rockquarry is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,938
Likes: 4
Liked 2,878 Times in 1,460 Posts
Default

Criminals are very resourceful.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #8  
Old 08-17-2020, 02:19 PM
ContinentalOp's Avatar
ContinentalOp ContinentalOp is online now
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 5,242
Likes: 9,845
Liked 9,712 Times in 3,321 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by max503 View Post
I don't think the gangsters target practice. If you think about it, that is a saving grace.
I think that's true for the most part. I worked at a site once that was close to a flood control channel. Every few nights we'd hear lots of gunfire. Keep in mind this was not only in the city, but in an area dominated by industrial business parks, so not likely to be country folk shooting on their country property. The general consensus among us was that it was gang members either practicing or trying out their guns.

On a related note, several years ago I had a firearms instructor who was also a police officer. She commented once that she wanted to teach all the gang members how to shoot so they'd hit each other instead of all the innocent bystanders nearby.
Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Like Post:
  #9  
Old 08-17-2020, 02:27 PM
s&wchad's Avatar
s&wchad s&wchad is offline
Moderator
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Great Lakes State
Posts: 22,088
Likes: 6,032
Liked 14,207 Times in 3,228 Posts
Default

I deleted a number of posts.
Fair warning...
Politics and race are off limits.
__________________
"I also cook."
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
  #10  
Old 08-17-2020, 02:29 PM
Justin T's Avatar
Justin T Justin T is online now
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Spring, TX
Posts: 431
Likes: 303
Liked 812 Times in 290 Posts
Default

If there is ammo in the stores to steal, it’s pretty common to go to a place like academy and open a box just to steal a few rounds, then put the box back on the shelf. This from a Louisiana cop on another forum i frequent.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #11  
Old 08-17-2020, 02:45 PM
bigggbbruce's Avatar
bigggbbruce bigggbbruce is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Where this month?
Posts: 3,539
Likes: 261
Liked 4,085 Times in 1,668 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rockquarry View Post
Criminals are very resourceful.
They got a gun, they can find ammo.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #12  
Old 08-17-2020, 02:45 PM
JohnHL JohnHL is offline
SWCA Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: High Ridge, Mo.
Posts: 2,287
Likes: 5,646
Liked 3,003 Times in 1,253 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by s&wchad View Post
I deleted a number of posts.
Fair warning...
Politics and race are off limits.
Chad, my original post has nothing to do with either politics OR race.

Shootings seem to be WAY UP in major cities.

If WE can't find ammo, where are these "shooters" finding ammo?

John?
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #13  
Old 08-17-2020, 02:49 PM
Rule3's Avatar
Rule3 Rule3 is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Florida, NRA CERT RSO
Posts: 21,342
Likes: 9,928
Liked 14,197 Times in 6,334 Posts
Default

They get the ammo the same places they get the guns that they are not supposed to have.
__________________
For office use only
Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Like Post:
  #14  
Old 08-17-2020, 02:51 PM
dougb1946 dougb1946 is online now
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Southern MN
Posts: 1,241
Likes: 141
Liked 1,856 Times in 703 Posts
Default

Fontana, California, police say they've found an underground gang hideout and shooting range - CNN
Quote:
While serving a search warrant Thursday night at an alleged gang member's Fontana home, officers uncovered a manhole. When they opened it, they found a ladder under it, police said.
Some do practice. The guns are frequently free and owned by the gang.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #15  
Old 08-17-2020, 02:59 PM
JohnHL JohnHL is offline
SWCA Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: High Ridge, Mo.
Posts: 2,287
Likes: 5,646
Liked 3,003 Times in 1,253 Posts
Default

Legal or illegal, where is the ammo coming from.

I would think that during an ammo shortage crisis, shootings would go down.

John?
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 08-17-2020, 03:03 PM
ziggidy ziggidy is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 12
Likes: 25
Liked 5 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Maybe they are being supplied?
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #17  
Old 08-17-2020, 03:09 PM
s&wchad's Avatar
s&wchad s&wchad is offline
Moderator
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Great Lakes State
Posts: 22,088
Likes: 6,032
Liked 14,207 Times in 3,228 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnHL View Post
Chad, my original post has nothing to do with either politics OR race.
That's why I didn't issue an infraction or delete your post. Some of those who responded did get into politics and race and those are banned topics on this board.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnHL View Post
Legal or illegal, where is the ammo coming from.
I get my ammo out of my basement.

People are currently stockpiling ammunition/supplies and it's hard to find in stores or online, but that wasn't the case 6 months ago.

I've heard estimates of 300,000,000 guns in this country. There has to be tens (if not hundreds) of billions of rounds of ammunition sitting around in private and government cashes.
__________________
"I also cook."

Last edited by s&wchad; 08-17-2020 at 03:28 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
  #18  
Old 08-17-2020, 07:14 PM
Imissedagain's Avatar
Imissedagain Imissedagain is offline
US Veteran
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: South Florida
Posts: 1,272
Likes: 451
Liked 1,134 Times in 577 Posts
Default

Anyone know the total round count fired by criminals each week?
Most of us might shoot more during a fun day at the range.
__________________
Have Fun/Stay Safe
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #19  
Old 08-17-2020, 07:21 PM
Drm50 Drm50 is online now
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Monroe cnty. Ohio
Posts: 4,596
Likes: 3,433
Liked 6,598 Times in 2,456 Posts
Default

Most crime is done at night because bad guys are tied up all day reloading ammo for the nights deeds.
Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Like Post:
  #20  
Old 08-17-2020, 07:34 PM
bigben55 bigben55 is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 66
Likes: 8
Liked 75 Times in 30 Posts
Default

Someone mentioned the recent Cincinnati shootings. I can ensure you that ALL handgun ammo is darn near impossible to find on a store shelf in greater Cincy right now, so i doubt they just went and bought it.

Just like "drug kingpins," there are gun kingpins for tge illegal guns gangs acquire and use. They probably have ammo stockpiled. These guys are far reaching. Years ago, a local shop owner i know help bust Chicago gang bangers making the 5 hr drive from Chicago to Cincy to buy $500 Glocks that they'd sell on the streets for $2000. For the right price, they'll send runners hundreds of miles for a case of 9mm ammo.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #21  
Old 08-17-2020, 07:37 PM
Johnnu2 Johnnu2 is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: NYS
Posts: 199
Likes: 0
Liked 265 Times in 94 Posts
Default

In the old days, the bad guys would rob a National Guard Armory.... That was another source of revenue as well as their own ammo supply....

J.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #22  
Old 08-17-2020, 08:08 PM
Forte Smitten Wesson's Avatar
Forte Smitten Wesson Forte Smitten Wesson is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 1,862
Likes: 2,278
Liked 3,252 Times in 1,179 Posts
Default

The subject matter of this thread illustrates perfectly why Gun Control is such an ineffectual concept when it comes to the prevention of violent crime.

Criminals in general don't buy their guns or ammunition legally, they either steal it or buy it secondhand from other thieves.

In addition, this is why so many of the restrictions on firearms citizens can legally own are completely pointless. Criminals obviously aren't concerned if the barrel length on their Shotgun or Rifle is prohibited by the ATF.

So all that the National Firearms Act and Gun Control accomplishes is to place law-abiding citizens at a distinct disadvantage against criminals.
Fortunately, criminals aren't typically known for skilled marksmanship, much less for meticulously maintaining their firearms, and generally speaking the extent of their knowledge of firearms is minimal, so they're a far cry from being anymore of a threat than "an idiot with a gun" can be.
Heck, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if the majority of street thugs are so unfamiliar with their firearms that they could successfully be tricked by a simple ploy like "The safety is engaged." or "There isn't a round in the chamber." Heck, they'll probably be equally as likely to fall for "Your shoelace is untied." or "Your fly is unzipped." for that matter.
__________________
RIP .40 S&W (1990 - Present)
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #23  
Old 08-17-2020, 10:41 PM
smoothshooter smoothshooter is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 738
Likes: 29
Liked 729 Times in 337 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 505Gibbs View Post
If you think about various posts in this forum from 3-5 years ago there were many bragging about how much ammo they blew up on their last trip to the range.
Not so now but many of us have a fairly large stash but we just don't go & blow it as in years gone by. We've learned from the past but unfortunately sometimes its stolen as noted.
The way they shoot up Chicago & Detroit and last weekend Cincinnati, you'd swear they brew their own.
They must be using FMJ almost exclusively, since so few of those actually hit die.
Another lucky coincidence may be that it’s harder to get good hits when you’re trying to shoot with one hand and hold your pants up with the other.
Reply With Quote
The Following 8 Users Like Post:
  #24  
Old 08-17-2020, 10:53 PM
Dougaz Dougaz is offline
Suspended
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 549
Likes: 429
Liked 1,602 Times in 353 Posts
Default

I'm pretty sure they all reload.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #25  
Old 08-17-2020, 11:24 PM
heeter3 heeter3 is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: east valley
Posts: 122
Likes: 128
Liked 72 Times in 36 Posts
Default

From my experience you usually dont find them with any reloads just what they have in the gun.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #26  
Old 08-18-2020, 12:30 AM
reddog81 reddog81 is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: IA
Posts: 1,193
Likes: 344
Liked 952 Times in 507 Posts
Default

Ammo’s out there if you’re willing to pay for it. If you’ve got a grand in your pocket from selling dope it’s not too hard to come up with $50 for a box of ammo. These are people that actually carry guns and intend to use them.

I’m not buying ammo at $50 bucks a box, but if I thought someone might come and shoot up my house I’d be willing to pay $50 for some steel case Russian ammo. A few boxes of ammo will go a long ways if used only in shoot outs. The 300 rounds I put down range today would probably be a lifetime supply for many of them.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #27  
Old 08-18-2020, 12:38 AM
Jeppo's Avatar
Jeppo Jeppo is online now
SWCA Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Davidson County, NC
Posts: 1,598
Likes: 4,425
Liked 2,721 Times in 1,039 Posts
Default

I live just outside an extremely dangerous small city. There are parts of it that the local police have almost given up on.

There’s a large online ammo distributor here that currently has 9mm ball at 80 cents plus tax per. When he has it, he can sell 10 or 20,000 rounds in a day.

Ask yourself who is buying large quantities of ammo at those prices. Certainly nobody on this forum. You won’t find me doing mag dumps at $15 each.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #28  
Old 08-18-2020, 04:45 AM
ISCS Yoda's Avatar
ISCS Yoda ISCS Yoda is offline
US Veteran
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Dallas, Texas
Posts: 6,232
Likes: 1,571
Liked 8,324 Times in 3,101 Posts
Default

The Second Amendment is a two-edged sword. Because it allows the legal sale of arms and ammunition any gang members NOT convicted of felonies or otherwise under indictment can buy a gun, or more than one in locales where there are a number of gun shops.

Ammunition is even easier. There is no background check on ammunition purchases and we don't want one to exist. The flip side is that anyone can go on line and buy ammunition legally - there's always a black market but anyone can get on an ammo website, click the button that asks if you're over 18, and buy thousands of rounds of whatever caliber he and his buddies need.

If you're talking about gangs then you're talking about drugs. If you're talking about drugs then you're talking about lots of money. If you're talking about lots of money then you're talking about buying anything you need whenever you need it - do you think these folks don't have credit cards and checking accounts? All they need is one of each and one front person to keep his or her nose clean so the ammunition can be purchased.

Someone wrote above how stupid the anti-gun laws are - that's the precise point - WE are the ones negatively affected, not the East Side Marauders, the Main Street Hooligans, or the Back Country Molesters.

Then you can factor in the smuggling - if the cartels can get a ton of marijuana across the border, never mind 50 kilos of black tar heroin, they can just as easily get their salesman in the USA a supply of weapons and ammunition. Drugs and money, my friends, it's an easy deal and accomplished every day.

Random shootings of innocent people not connected to gangs is the result of the shooters being sociopaths in the same way that the gangsters of the 1920s and 1930s were criminal sociopaths. If you don't care where your bullets wind up then the only skill you need is the ability to pull the trigger, or rack the slide. After that, they are not thinking "don't point your muzzle at anything you don't want to destroy" - all they want is to destroy.

End rant...........
__________________
Come and take it!!
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #29  
Old 08-18-2020, 06:51 AM
Dave Lively Dave Lively is online now
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 587
Likes: 238
Liked 560 Times in 277 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ISCS Yoda View Post
Ammunition is even easier. There is no background check on ammunition purchases and we don't want one to exist. The flip side is that anyone can go on line and buy ammunition legally - there's always a black market but anyone can get on an ammo website, click the button that asks if you're over 18, and buy thousands of rounds of whatever caliber he and his buddies need.
The other thing about ammo is that it does not cost a lot to completely load a gun. Pre-pandemic $600 would buy 3000 rounds of ammo, enough to completely load an 187 M&P compacts or Glock 19s. But it would only pay for one of those handguns.

Ammo is expensive when you practice and use it. Being an armed criminal that carries a loaded gun that isn't fired until a crime is being committed is unfortunately a lot cheaper.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #30  
Old 08-18-2020, 07:02 AM
Bladeswitcher Bladeswitcher is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 231
Likes: 19
Liked 515 Times in 134 Posts
Default

Steal gun.
Carry gun.
Shoot gun.
Ditch gun.

Repeat.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #31  
Old 08-18-2020, 07:44 AM
Telecaster Telecaster is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 1,237
Likes: 350
Liked 1,974 Times in 709 Posts
Default

The picture I’m getting is that drug gangs (Cartels by any other name) are buying up the overpriced ammo because to them it’s still affordable, as if they’re planning a big war!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #32  
Old 08-18-2020, 07:59 AM
uncleted327 uncleted327 is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 327
Likes: 3
Liked 472 Times in 181 Posts
Default

According to most of the real reporting on the topic, ammo is usually in very short supply for these people. Guns that are confiscated typically are not fully loaded and what they are loaded with is a mixture of any type of ammo they could find "steal" for the gun.
Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Like Post:
  #33  
Old 08-18-2020, 08:01 AM
grover99 grover99 is online now
US Veteran
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Missouri
Posts: 509
Likes: 115
Liked 693 Times in 212 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnnu2 View Post
In the old days, the bad guys would rob a National Guard Armory.... That was another source of revenue as well as their own ammo supply....

J.
In my 13 years in the National Guard we had a bunch of M16s and M60 machine guns but never ever had a single round of Ammo in the place. For weapons practice we would go to the closest Army Post and be issued Ammo there.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #34  
Old 08-18-2020, 08:02 AM
Telecaster Telecaster is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 1,237
Likes: 350
Liked 1,974 Times in 709 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by uncleted327 View Post
According to most of the real reporting on the topic, ammo is usually in very short supply for these people. Guns that are confiscated typically are not fully loaded and what they are loaded with is a mixture of any type of ammo they could find "steal" for the gun.
I've read the same thing. But not all criminals are alike, some are small time bandits, some are part of a more organized group.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #35  
Old 08-18-2020, 08:09 AM
shocker's Avatar
shocker shocker is online now
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 1,182
Likes: 379
Liked 994 Times in 497 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ISCS Yoda View Post

If you're talking about gangs then you're talking about drugs. If you're talking about drugs then you're talking about lots of money. If you're talking about lots of money then you're talking about buying anything you need whenever you need it - do you think these folks don't have credit cards and checking accounts? All they need is one of each and one front person to keep his or her nose clean so the ammunition can be purchased..
Who needs credit cards and bank accounts? I talked to a Ford salesman a few weeks ago. His story: Kid came into the dealer and bought a Continental and Lincoln Aviator for $130,000 cash. Hey, it says Legal Tender for All Debts Public and Private right on the bills, IIRC.
To be fair, the buyer might have been a farmer. Cash is still King in that business.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #36  
Old 08-18-2020, 08:59 AM
Drm50 Drm50 is online now
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Monroe cnty. Ohio
Posts: 4,596
Likes: 3,433
Liked 6,598 Times in 2,456 Posts
Default

It’s not gang bangers buying up the ammo. It’s a lot of scared people that are buying and hoarding all they can afford. Guys brag about stock piles of ammo. I know a guy that has thousands of rounds for a 380 and that is only gun he owns. Remember 22 ammo at $8/ 50 box and worse? Who do you think ran that up? Right now there are many items that are in short supply because of CV-19. Some items because of panic buying and others because of work force/ CV-19. When demand goes up and supply goes down the prices will come up. It’s called free market.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #37  
Old 08-18-2020, 09:26 AM
hotlynx16 hotlynx16 is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Texas
Posts: 7
Likes: 2
Liked 3 Times in 1 Post
Default

A lot of dummies are leaving their guns in their vehicles unlocked, The Beaumont Texas police begged residents not to do that a few months back in the news media!
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #38  
Old 08-18-2020, 09:28 AM
CH4's Avatar
CH4 CH4 is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Washington/Philippines
Posts: 4,882
Likes: 10,496
Liked 9,304 Times in 3,024 Posts
Default

It’s still fairly easy to find enough 9 to shoot up the neighborhood.

Was thinking that since DAs ain’t prosecuting, perhaps LE should call in the Hells Angels to take care of business. Love em or hate em, they’re extremely patriotic and they could teach some folks a lesson. I’d pay for front row seats.
__________________
FBINA 213
Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Like Post:
  #39  
Old 08-18-2020, 09:49 AM
max503's Avatar
max503 max503 is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Illinois near STL
Posts: 1,188
Likes: 400
Liked 1,488 Times in 626 Posts
Default

There's a guy at work who grew up in St. Louis and he likes to talk. If I see him I'll ask him this question and see what he says. His dad was a cop on the north side which is a bad area.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #40  
Old 08-18-2020, 11:36 AM
Drm50 Drm50 is online now
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Monroe cnty. Ohio
Posts: 4,596
Likes: 3,433
Liked 6,598 Times in 2,456 Posts
Default

The way things are in some cities the best thing to do is plan you time so you can stay clear of bad areas. Most places the trouble is all in certain neighborhoods. There is no way to avoid random robbery and violence. The best advice is to stay tuned to what is going on around you. Watch where you park, think of the areas you are going to walk through, ect. Being able to avoid trouble is better than needing a gun to get though your day.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #41  
Old 08-18-2020, 12:00 PM
K-22 K-22 is online now
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Wa.State (Vancouver)
Posts: 338
Likes: 389
Liked 186 Times in 70 Posts
Default On Line

Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnHL View Post
For me, a conundrum.

John
If you check some of the various gun forum classifieds, you will find a number of individuals selling ammo for 2-4 times the regular price.
Lots of ammo available, for a price.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #42  
Old 08-18-2020, 12:12 PM
ggibson511960 ggibson511960 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 533
Likes: 505
Liked 483 Times in 244 Posts
Default Off Topic

Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin T View Post
If there is ammo in the stores to steal, it’s pretty common to go to a place like academy and open a box just to steal a few rounds, then put the box back on the shelf. This from a Louisiana cop on another forum i frequent.
I have watched a lot of people open up ammunition boxes at Academy and fondle the rounds. I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist, but there's something going on with these people that's not quite right. I've never seen anybody steal rounds, and I've never confronted them, but I have asked Academy clerks why they allow it. They just shrug. Am I the only one who thinks it's a bad idea to let the public at large rummage through ammunition. I think it's a bad idea for the same reason that bullet, powder and primer manufacturer's seal their packaging.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #43  
Old 08-18-2020, 12:34 PM
Telecaster Telecaster is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 1,237
Likes: 350
Liked 1,974 Times in 709 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ggibson511960 View Post
I have watched a lot of people open up ammunition boxes at Academy and fondle the rounds. I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist, but there's something going on with these people that's not quite right. I've never seen anybody steal rounds, and I've never confronted them, but I have asked Academy clerks why they allow it. They just shrug. Am I the only one who thinks it's a bad idea to let the public at large rummage through ammunition. I think it's a bad idea for the same reason that bullet, powder and primer manufacturer's seal their packaging.
One thing I despise is gun stores where you have to wait your turn for an employee to “sell” you ammo. A simple tape seal on the box would help deter casual fondlers, but probably not theft.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #44  
Old 08-18-2020, 03:35 PM
seattle fish guy seattle fish guy is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Renton, WA
Posts: 3
Likes: 20
Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Default

The financial institution the dealer uses will report large cash deposits to the US Treasury dept. This info is supposed to make money laundering more difficult.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #45  
Old 08-18-2020, 04:31 PM
uncleted327 uncleted327 is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 327
Likes: 3
Liked 472 Times in 181 Posts
Default

If you are trying to pick out a new round for your hunting rifle or an EDC round for your handgun why wouldn't you open up the box and look at it? I don't see where the big mystery is. Would you buy a new gun just by looking at the picture on a box or would you open it up and handle it...
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #46  
Old 08-18-2020, 06:40 PM
Dave Lively Dave Lively is online now
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 587
Likes: 238
Liked 560 Times in 277 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by uncleted327 View Post
If you are trying to pick out a new round for your hunting rifle or an EDC round for your handgun why wouldn't you open up the box and look at it? I don't see where the big mystery is. Would you buy a new gun just by looking at the picture on a box or would you open it up and handle it...
Because unlike a gun there is no useful information to be learned by opening the box and looking at it.

With a gun you can learn how it handles and balances, what the trigger is like, how heavy it is, if the stock is the right length or how well the grip fits your hand, if the actions is gritty, if you like the way it looks, etc. For all those things you really need to handle the rifle and look at it instead of reading a spec sheet.

What are going to learn by handling ammo that isn't printed on the box? Just looking at it will not tell you how accurate it is in your gun, how much recoil it will produce or how well the bullet will perform on the intended target. There is no way you can open a few boxes of ammo, look at the rounds and predict which one is best.

I don't see any reason to open boxes of ammo but it doesn't bother me when I see others do that. Its more a curiosity about why so many do. Unless they put it into the wrong box it won't hurt anything.

Last edited by Dave Lively; 08-18-2020 at 06:41 PM.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #47  
Old 08-18-2020, 06:41 PM
HardToHandle's Avatar
HardToHandle HardToHandle is online now
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 258
Likes: 1,526
Liked 337 Times in 156 Posts
Default

Two comments:

Not sure there is a good or bad part of St. Louis anymore. When you lead the nation in Homicides, it is just “worse” and “worser”. I was there six weeks ago and actually appreciated the COVID keeping people off the streets.

On the traffic in stolen guns, this classic Massachusetts tale is pretty instructive and speaks to a certain fecklessness - Former Reservist Pleads Guilty to Stealing Weapons from Army Reserve Center, Escaping from Prison & Attempted Bank Robbery | USAO-MA | Department of Justice
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #48  
Old 08-18-2020, 07:23 PM
Drm50 Drm50 is online now
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Monroe cnty. Ohio
Posts: 4,596
Likes: 3,433
Liked 6,598 Times in 2,456 Posts
Default

I won’t be long, the police withdraw, bad guys fill the vacuum. Out law guns and there will be a thriving black market over night. You can’t legislate morality.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #49  
Old 08-18-2020, 09:06 PM
CH4's Avatar
CH4 CH4 is offline
Member
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Washington/Philippines
Posts: 4,882
Likes: 10,496
Liked 9,304 Times in 3,024 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Telecaster View Post
One thing I despise is gun stores where you have to wait your turn for an employee to “sell” you ammo. A simple tape seal on the box would help deter casual fondlers, but probably not theft.
I agree, but with new unfamiliar ammo it’s nice to see what you’re buying. Perhaps manufactures should copy BB’s packaging so you can see what you’re getting without opening and fondling.
__________________
FBINA 213
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #50  
Old 08-18-2020, 10:28 PM
dave1918a2's Avatar
dave1918a2 dave1918a2 is offline
US Veteran
With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo? With all the shootings going on in cities, where are the "bangers" getting the ammo?  
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Aurora, CO.
Posts: 1,126
Likes: 817
Liked 1,534 Times in 651 Posts
Default

The ammo sellers at the gun shows here have a sign. You open it------You buy it. Same sign I have on My tables. I do double tape all the ammo and bullet boxes.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Anyone here live in the "Riot Cities" Maddog 521 The Lounge 60 07-22-2020 06:47 PM
Bangers Inc 1988 Mod 66-3 3" number made? Huskerguy1 S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present 14 09-27-2018 10:11 AM
Underwood Ammo for my "Woods Gun"... a 629-6 w/"3" Barrel HamHands Ammo 5 05-09-2018 04:22 PM
Is "Leadless" Ammo also thought of as 'soft point' ammo? SFsc616171 Ammo 5 01-21-2014 12:09 AM
Yes---ANOTHER Ammo thread because im giving a ""Heads-up."" the ringo kid Ammo 16 10-14-2013 04:44 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:05 PM.


Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.42 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)