Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > Ammunition-Gunsmithing > Ammo
o

Notices

Ammo All Ammo Discussions Go Here


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-03-2020, 12:16 AM
ajgunner's Avatar
ajgunner ajgunner is offline
Member
Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me  
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Tall Timber of N.W.Orygun
Posts: 873
Likes: 44
Liked 1,706 Times in 465 Posts
Default Nyclad 357---What can you tell me

With the ammo shortage it seems lots of the older fellas are unloading all their old stock to take advantage of the market prices. I load my own but keep an eye on the market to stay on top of things. These came up on a local forum and I decided to go pick them up. I don't need to shoot them because I have plenty, but figured I would rat hole them in the back for a few more years. Someday my son will run across them and try to figure out where they came from because he knows I never buy factory ammo.

Any collector value?

Any idea what year this might have been produced?

Fair price I should have paid for them?

Ever heard of a Semi Wad Cutter Hollow Point?

__________________
"Tastes just like chicken"
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #2  
Old 10-03-2020, 12:43 AM
BillBond BillBond is offline
Member
Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me  
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Arizona
Posts: 373
Likes: 48
Liked 567 Times in 220 Posts
Default

I am not up on current prices, but when I sold my stash of Nyclad almost 20 years ago,
I got a good price and one guy purchased all I had and it was over 10 boxes.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-03-2020, 01:23 AM
schutz5 schutz5 is offline
Member
Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me  
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 627
Likes: 506
Liked 575 Times in 317 Posts
Default

Federal took over S&W Nyclad around 1985 (???) So your Nyclad is post S&W.
Perhaps the 357 caliber is less common.
I still shoot my stash of S&W Nyclad 38.

Nice score.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-03-2020, 03:06 AM
Fishinfool's Avatar
Fishinfool Fishinfool is offline
Member
Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me  
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Central PA
Posts: 4,550
Likes: 8,201
Liked 11,436 Times in 3,018 Posts
Default

Not a bad choice as self defense ammo. Bullets are soft lead, to help ensure expansion, and nylon coated to prevent leading. I also believe slightly higher velocity, and reduction in airborn lead were claimed as well. I do know they had a good reputation in the field. Sort of the big brother to the respected 158 gr LSWHP "FBI Load" in the .38 spl.

Larry
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #5  
Old 10-03-2020, 09:02 AM
tominboise tominboise is offline
Member
Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me  
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Boise, Idaho, 83706
Posts: 344
Likes: 427
Liked 528 Times in 201 Posts
Default

If the price was right, I'd buy all of that that was available.

Nyclads also got a bad rap for being designed to "shoot through body armor". Part of the "cop killer bullet" scares that were around in the 80s and 90s.
__________________
Regards,

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-03-2020, 09:19 AM
BE Mike's Avatar
BE Mike BE Mike is offline
Member
Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me  
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Indiana
Posts: 3,575
Likes: 2,235
Liked 3,476 Times in 1,475 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tominboise View Post
If the price was right, I'd buy all of that that was available.

Nyclads also got a bad rap for being designed to "shoot through body armor". Part of the "cop killer bullet" scares that were around in the 80s and 90s.
I might add that the "scare" was untrue. The bullets were designed to expand at lower velocities than harder lead bullets and not lead the barrel. I have some that were designed for short barrel .38 SPL revolvers.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #7  
Old 10-03-2020, 01:16 PM
banger banger is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 160
Likes: 67
Liked 230 Times in 89 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tominboise View Post
If the price was right, I'd buy all of that that was available.

Nyclads also got a bad rap for being designed to "shoot through body armor". Part of the "cop killer bullet" scares that were around in the 80s and 90s.

Absolute 100% total myth.

The myth was fostered by those people who were too stupid to figure out the difference between KTW and any other coated bullet.

In fact, Nyclads were loaded with dead soft lead bullets and actually produced less penetration that conventional jacked bullets.

Another mythical bullet armor penetrating bullet was the alleged Black Talon from Winchester....

Again, if you can get one to penetrate a standard vest, you would probably be awarded a PhD in ballistics.

Stupid people say stupid things, that get believed by even dumber people.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #8  
Old 10-03-2020, 01:29 PM
Charlie Foxtrott Charlie Foxtrott is offline
Member
Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me  
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 1,199
Likes: 775
Liked 1,961 Times in 690 Posts
Default I remember when those were around.

And shot some of it over the years. I always figured that it was a good concept and a good product. Not sure why it went out of production.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-03-2020, 01:58 PM
ContinentalOp's Avatar
ContinentalOp ContinentalOp is offline
Member
Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me  
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 6,315
Likes: 13,115
Liked 12,802 Times in 4,228 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by banger View Post
Another mythical bullet armor penetrating bullet was the alleged Black Talon from Winchester....
I've never heard that claim. All the complaints I heard at the time was that it was like a flying buzzsaw (false, no surprise there) or that it could cut through the gloves of surgeons trying to work on people shot by it (which can happen anytime a surgeon sticks his hands inside a human body with traumatic injuries, and something they should be aware of any time they operate).
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-03-2020, 02:07 PM
robertrwalsh robertrwalsh is offline
SWCA Member
Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me  
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Peoples Republic of Calif
Posts: 4,642
Likes: 1,226
Liked 5,984 Times in 2,132 Posts
Default

Lead SWC-HP is actually a fairly common bullet design. That was what was in the FBI-Miami Dade police load, though it was not a Nyclad bullet.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #11  
Old 10-03-2020, 02:12 PM
ContinentalOp's Avatar
ContinentalOp ContinentalOp is offline
Member
Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me  
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 6,315
Likes: 13,115
Liked 12,802 Times in 4,228 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by robertrwalsh View Post
Lead SWC-HP is actually a fairly common bullet design. That was what was in the FBI-Miami Dade police load, though it was not a Nyclad bullet.
Just an FYI, they did make a Nyclad version of the FBI load.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-03-2020, 02:54 PM
robertrwalsh robertrwalsh is offline
SWCA Member
Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me  
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Peoples Republic of Calif
Posts: 4,642
Likes: 1,226
Liked 5,984 Times in 2,132 Posts
Default

True, but as far as I know the FBI never used it. (Though I could be wrong.)
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #13  
Old 10-03-2020, 03:40 PM
DWalt's Avatar
DWalt DWalt is offline
Member
Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: South Texas & San Antonio
Posts: 33,479
Likes: 236
Liked 28,938 Times in 14,012 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by banger View Post
Another mythical bullet armor penetrating bullet was the alleged Black Talon from Winchester....
Stupid people say stupid things, that get believed by even dumber people.
I don't remember exactly when, but I think sometime in the early 1990s there was a mass shooting at a law office in, I think, San Francisco where the shooter used Winchester Black Talon ammunition in a TEC-9. Some news stories were referring to it as armor piercing. The name also had racial connotations. Winchester changed the name to "Ranger Law Enforcement" thereafter.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #14  
Old 10-03-2020, 04:23 PM
Gunhacker's Avatar
Gunhacker Gunhacker is offline
SWCA Member
Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me  
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: SF East Bay - "the delta"
Posts: 3,508
Likes: 1,585
Liked 4,495 Times in 1,516 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DWalt View Post
I don't remember exactly when, but I think sometime in the early 1990s there was a mass shooting at a law office in, I think, San Francisco where the shooter used Winchester Black Talon ammunition in a TEC-9. Some news stories were referring to it as armor piercing. The name also had racial connotations. Winchester changed the name to "Ranger Law Enforcement" thereafter.
Before it was know as Ranger, Black Talon was renamed to SXT, which was a black talon bullet without the black coating... less menacing I guess

It's rumored that "SXT" stood for "Same Exact Thing".

The shooting at the law offices at 101 California St. in San Francisco ushered in the beginning of the end of Gun Shops in San Francisco, as well as a spate of new gun control laws at the State level.
__________________
Conrad
SWCA #1830 SWHF #222
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #15  
Old 10-06-2020, 02:07 PM
pastorp pastorp is offline
Member
Nyclad 357---What can you tell me  
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Metlakatla,AK USA
Posts: 26
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

I bought 5 1,000 rd cases from a retired NY SP officer. 38 sp caliber. State of the art in the 70s & 80s. I’m still shooting it. On the last case.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 10-07-2020, 01:04 PM
Kid44 Kid44 is offline
Member
Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me  
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Kansas City area
Posts: 890
Likes: 0
Liked 740 Times in 368 Posts
Default Surgeon's Gloves

Quote:
Originally Posted by ContinentalOp View Post
I've never heard that claim. All the complaints I heard at the time was that it was like a flying buzzsaw (false, no surprise there) or that it could cut through the gloves of surgeons trying to work on people shot by it (which can happen anytime a surgeon sticks his hands inside a human body with traumatic injuries, and something they should be aware of any time they operate).
Seeing how surgeons wear rubber gloves cutting through one shouldn't be difficult.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 10-07-2020, 01:10 PM
Kid44 Kid44 is offline
Member
Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me  
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Kansas City area
Posts: 890
Likes: 0
Liked 740 Times in 368 Posts
Default Armor Piercing

Quote:
Originally Posted by DWalt View Post
I don't remember exactly when, but I think sometime in the early 1990s there was a mass shooting at a law office in, I think, San Francisco where the shooter used Winchester Black Talon ammunition in a TEC-9. Some news stories were referring to it as armor piercing. The name also had racial connotations. Winchester changed the name to "Ranger Law Enforcement" thereafter.
Anytime a reporter that knows absolutely nothing about guns hears the words, armor piercing, cop killer bullet, exploding bullet,
fragmenting bullet and the list goes on and on they take those words and runs with them. The rest of the media picks up on them and does the same thing. Pretty soon a .22 long rifle bullet is perceived as an armor piercing, cop killing exploding bullet.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 10-07-2020, 01:30 PM
ContinentalOp's Avatar
ContinentalOp ContinentalOp is offline
Member
Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me  
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 6,315
Likes: 13,115
Liked 12,802 Times in 4,228 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kid44 View Post
Seeing how surgeons wear rubber gloves cutting through one shouldn't be difficult.
so could broken bones, something surgeons should be aware of with any trauma. It's part of the business when sticking one's hands inside a human body.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 10-07-2020, 05:54 PM
Walter Rego Walter Rego is offline
Member
Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me Nyclad 357---What can you tell me  
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Occupied California
Posts: 2,777
Likes: 1,512
Liked 5,558 Times in 1,602 Posts
Default

I used to buy any Nyclad .38 Special + P or .357 ammo from S&W or Federal that I saw for sale at gun shows. It's all good stuff, especially the .38 FBI loads.
A couple of years ago a box of .38 could be had for $15 and .357 for $20. In today's crazy world ? I suppose people would pay $50 for the .357. A fair price would be $30.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Nyclad trade Peakes Feedback 0 10-25-2013 04:42 PM
Nyclad 158 .357 eric1959 Ammo 2 07-08-2011 05:48 AM
Nyclad 38 ammo 45doubletap Concealed Carry & Self Defense 31 01-21-2011 12:21 AM
642 and Nyclad 125 Barsch S&W Revolvers: 1980 to the Present 0 12-14-2010 05:16 PM
9mm Nyclad Score! Andy Taylor Ammo 5 02-28-2009 08:54 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:01 AM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)